Does anyone know an Anti Covid vaxxer?
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HustleRussell said:
You think that a phobia of needles and ‘hating needles’ are the same thing?
What difference does it make. Nearly all Phobias can be treated, i think it is a poor excuse to use it when it would impact you life so much, maybe not now later on. People seem to think a label stops them actaully trying to sort out their issues, which can be treated, as i said i hated needles but had no choice, if i said i had a phobia that elicited the same reponse would that help? The Spruce Goose said:
HustleRussell said:
You think that a phobia of needles and ‘hating needles’ are the same thing?
What difference does it make. Nearly all Phobias can be treated, i think it is a poor excuse to use it when it would impact you life so much, maybe not now later on. People seem to think a label stops them actaully trying to sort out their issues, which can be treated, as i said i hated needles but had no choice, if i said i had a phobia that elicited the same reponse would that help? The Spruce Goose said:
Heathwood said:
I won’t be having the vaccine. Not because I’m an anti-vaxxer, but because, as mentioned on a previous CV thread, I’m a massive needle phobic (Trypanophobia).
I hate needles as the majority do, i don't have your label, but i have to have blood tests and injections. i just don't look, after the 20 times you still know it is happening but it gets easier. Unless you do something now you may end up paying with your life if you don't get over it.I know a chap who cited two issues with the vaccine.
1. Contravenes the Nuremberg convention
A. It doesn’t, I pointed this out and explained the Nuremberg convention is for excitements only.
2. It can cause some kind of neurological ‘cyclone’ and kill people/test subjects
A. Interesting thinks I, “please share the scientific paper you’re citing”... not a sausage in return. I think someone had spent too much time in a Facebook/Twitter echo chamber without asking for data and fact to backup the theory.
1. Contravenes the Nuremberg convention
A. It doesn’t, I pointed this out and explained the Nuremberg convention is for excitements only.
2. It can cause some kind of neurological ‘cyclone’ and kill people/test subjects
A. Interesting thinks I, “please share the scientific paper you’re citing”... not a sausage in return. I think someone had spent too much time in a Facebook/Twitter echo chamber without asking for data and fact to backup the theory.
HustleRussell said:
Your attitude towards phobias may be common but that doesn’t make it correct.
Yet makes zero difference to people with phobia. If they want something to impact their lives, and do nothing about and people feel sorry for them becuase label, well fair enough do it, that is their choice but it ain't stopping me voicing an opinion about it.Heathwood said:
I won’t be having the vaccine. Not because I’m an anti-vaxxer, but because, as mentioned on a previous CV thread, I’m a massive needle phobic (Trypanophobia).
That's what the lady in front of my wife for the flu jab said she suffered from. So she must have been very brave when she had all of her tattoos done.The Spruce Goose said:
HustleRussell said:
Your attitude towards phobias may be common but that doesn’t make it correct.
Yet makes zero difference to people with phobia. If they want something to impact their lives, and do nothing about and people feel sorry for them becuase label, well fair enough do it, that is their choice but it ain't stopping me voicing an opinion about it.Could you confirm whether you had a phobia or whether it was as you said- you ‘don’t like needles’?
Who ‘likes needles’?
V6 Pushfit said:
Just be clear, the worldwide rate is 3% not the uk, and obviously it’s of those infected otherwise the figure wouldn’t actually mean much. Unfortunately we are way over that rate.
A 3% CFR is very much at the high end of calculations. The CFR 95% confidence interval for Europe is 1.1 to 3.2 - call it 2.2 -http://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-...
And this is the case fatality rate - people actually sick enough to see a doctor. The infection fatality rate is estimated to be 0.55% - a bit less than flu.
All very age dependent, obviously.
And at 2.5 million deaths in a world population of around 8 billion, that's about a 1 in 32,000 or 0.03%. You are only 5 times more likely to die from COVID than being struck by lightning. 4 times more likely than to be killed by a dog bite. And around 2 times more likely than to be done in by a bee or wasp sting.
Better get that combined lightning-conductor / dog-handler / bee-keeper suit fitted on your way to your COVID vaccination.
COVID is in the same kind of ballpark as being killed by a sharp object. Better ban them, or make stab vests mandatory.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventab...
Better get that combined lightning-conductor / dog-handler / bee-keeper suit fitted on your way to your COVID vaccination.
COVID is in the same kind of ballpark as being killed by a sharp object. Better ban them, or make stab vests mandatory.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventab...
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 28th February 18:39
Teddy Lop said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
This line is trotted out a lot but my understanding is that it's pure drivel. Sure, this vaccine has been made in record time, but although a normal vaccine might take 10 years to develop, they are still only monitoring the effects on people for a few months. So if you are part of the vaccine trial, and die a year later, the vaccine makers won't know about it anyway. Because vaccines never throw up long term issues, just short term issues, and that's all they are looking for.
Vaccines take years to develop because you have to recruit and pay 50K people for trials, which takes time and money. In this case, you have hundreds of thousands of people volunteering to be part of the trial, which is cost free. In addition, every single person at Pfizer or wherever is working on this and nothing else. They can afford that because the take up of the vaccine is basically the whole world. Whereas most vaccines target a small group, like people travelling to a certain country needing yellow fever.
People who think it's not safe because it's been done in record time really shouldn't buy a mass produced car that is made from scratch by 500 workers on a production line in 4 hours, but should be buying a Morgan built buy half a dozen people over 3 weeks or whatever. Because obviously, a car built so quickly can't be safe!!
There's a world of difference between believing its not safe and not (yet) believing its safe.Vaccines take years to develop because you have to recruit and pay 50K people for trials, which takes time and money. In this case, you have hundreds of thousands of people volunteering to be part of the trial, which is cost free. In addition, every single person at Pfizer or wherever is working on this and nothing else. They can afford that because the take up of the vaccine is basically the whole world. Whereas most vaccines target a small group, like people travelling to a certain country needing yellow fever.
People who think it's not safe because it's been done in record time really shouldn't buy a mass produced car that is made from scratch by 500 workers on a production line in 4 hours, but should be buying a Morgan built buy half a dozen people over 3 weeks or whatever. Because obviously, a car built so quickly can't be safe!!
You car analogy assembly time has no relevence, a better one might be two models one of which has been proven and crash tested many times and one not so.
Difficult said:
And at 2.5 million deaths in a world population of around 8 billion, that's about a 1 in 32,000 or 0.03%. You are only 5 times more likely to die from COVID than being struck by lightning. 4 times more likely than to be killed by a dog bite. And around 2 times more likely than to be done in by a bee or wasp sting.
Better get that combined lightning-conductor / dog-handler / bee-keeper suit fitted on your way to your COVID vaccination.
COVID is in the same kind of ballpark as being killed by a sharp object. Better ban them, or make stab vests mandatory.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventab...
The population number is irrelevant, so therefore are your main points.Better get that combined lightning-conductor / dog-handler / bee-keeper suit fitted on your way to your COVID vaccination.
COVID is in the same kind of ballpark as being killed by a sharp object. Better ban them, or make stab vests mandatory.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventab...
Edited by Difficult on Sunday 28th February 18:39
I know 4 people that have died from Covid, and none from a bee sting, dog bite of lightning. So you’d better get your eraser out and start the calculations again.
V6 Pushfit said:
The population number is irrelevant...
Of course the world population is relevant. If it was 8 million people and 2.5 million died of COVID, it's a bit serious. If it's 8 billion, and just 2.5 million die (most of them old, fat, sick already) it's a mere drop in the ocean, and not really worth bothering about too much. 2.5 million cases sounds like a huge number. It is designed to scare you. Only when you know that it's a very tiny fraction of a much, much larger number do you see the whole picture - the one the scaremongers don't want you to see. But I guess you like being terrified.
That's the cool thing about statistics - you can just choose to ignore any numbers you don't like.
Difficult said:
V6 Pushfit said:
The population number is irrelevant...
Of course the world population is relevant. If it was 8 million people and 2.5 million died of COVID, it's a bit serious. If it's 8 billion, and just 2.5 million die (most of them old, fat, sick already) it's a mere drop in the ocean, and not really worth bothering about too much. 2.5 million cases sounds like a huge number. It is designed to scare you. Only when you know that it's a very tiny fraction of a much, much larger number do you see the whole picture - the one the scaremongers don't want you to see. But I guess you like being terrified.
That's the cool thing about statistics - you can just choose to ignore any numbers you don't like.
Uggers said:
I probably am one of those who don't agree with it and will end up getting it just to have my life back. Doesn't make me happy about it at all and my ire will be directed at the people that forced me into it come the next election.
Just how will you express your ire at the next GE ? Do you have any confidence that any other party would have done any better ?V6 Pushfit said:
I don’t think you get it at all. If one million caught it and 999,999 died what relevance is the population number?? It only serves to show the number that haven’t caught it yet.
If only 1 million out of 8 billion catch it, then it's not very infectious. I'd take my chances. But if it was 1 million out of a population of 1 million, then it's a bit different. You can't just ignore the world population number to make the statistics match your own level of terror.Gassing Station | Health Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff