Does anyone know an Anti Covid vaxxer?
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ruggedscotty said:
Its bad..
Looks like its spreading...
Infected this thread aswell now...
were all doomed...
Apparently they see the huge things that are at play to cock up the world, the malevolent players and the forces of darkness that are set on global control. Only they can see it as they are special. Looks like its spreading...
Infected this thread aswell now...
were all doomed...
The truth is allegedly not simply that governments are headless chickens desperately trying to protect their populations and economies.
Brave Fart said:
smn159 said:
Speaking of which, I had a look in on the Covid 'disease better than cure' thread yesterday.
Jesus wept, they are all full on conspiracy-b
ks-swallowed-whole mental cases
Interestingly it seems to be largely the same lot who are similarly exercised about the EU / Bill Gates / Climate change / The great reset / marxism / The BBC / lefties and so forth
I honestly wonder how people with that sort of paranoid mindset function on a day to day basis.
Well, as a regular contributor on that thread I have to disagree. There are a few rather nutty posts, true, but they are in the minority. Most posts, including mine of course Jesus wept, they are all full on conspiracy-b
ks-swallowed-whole mental casesInterestingly it seems to be largely the same lot who are similarly exercised about the EU / Bill Gates / Climate change / The great reset / marxism / The BBC / lefties and so forth
I honestly wonder how people with that sort of paranoid mindset function on a day to day basis.
are reasonable and civilised with not a hint of tinfoil. There are also a number of snarky, sneering posts from people including you, which everyone just ignores. On the whole it's a very good thread, quite educational and informative.TLDR: you're wrong.
If someone just landed from Mars and you wanted to get them up to speed quickly on the events of the last 18 months would you really point them at that thread? They’d be back in the space ship faster than you can say Bill Gates.
V6 Pushfit said:
ruggedscotty said:
Its bad..
Looks like its spreading...
Infected this thread aswell now...
were all doomed...
Apparently they see the huge things that are at play to cock up the world, the malevolent players and the forces of darkness that are set on global control. Only they can see it as they are special. Looks like its spreading...
Infected this thread aswell now...
were all doomed...
The truth is allegedly not simply that governments are headless chickens desperately trying to protect their populations and economies.
Which would be fine if they weren’t pandering to a hysterical public that think said government can control nature and save them from what they see as certain death (but in reality is a very small chance of dying, unless you’re in a very specific demographic)
Took a London cab from Liverpool St Station today. Cabbie was a complete nutjob and in 10 minutes I had:
1. He got a £200 fine for not wearing a mask in his cab, a story that didn’t stack up as he had screens and also no passenger at the time. But the story was mainly about telling the police ‘to do one’ and filming their reaction, and only then showing them on his phone he has some special mask exemption for medical reasons. Verdict: mad story with no reality which he’s trying to punt out as clever him vs vile authority
2. His mate died within a week of the jab. Verdict: made up overheard-in-the pub fairy story bks
3. Covid death numbers are made up, the absolute proof being that this year the annual flu official death figures plummeted so it shows that they were just swinging the deaths over to Covid as the cause. Verdict: WTF???
Bonkers.
1. He got a £200 fine for not wearing a mask in his cab, a story that didn’t stack up as he had screens and also no passenger at the time. But the story was mainly about telling the police ‘to do one’ and filming their reaction, and only then showing them on his phone he has some special mask exemption for medical reasons. Verdict: mad story with no reality which he’s trying to punt out as clever him vs vile authority
2. His mate died within a week of the jab. Verdict: made up overheard-in-the pub fairy story b
ks3. Covid death numbers are made up, the absolute proof being that this year the annual flu official death figures plummeted so it shows that they were just swinging the deaths over to Covid as the cause. Verdict: WTF???
Bonkers.
survivalist said:
That is precisely what governments are.
Which would be fine if they weren’t pandering to a hysterical public that think said government can control nature and save them from what they see as certain death (but in reality is a very small chance of dying, unless you’re in a very specific demographic)
Think it’s worth adding that avoiding Covid isn’t just to stop yourself dying. It’s to prevent the virus mutating into something much nastier. It’s to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed with hospital cases, resulting in lots of other care being squeezed or displaced. It’s to stop people who do go to hospital suffering years with long Covid. And it’s to stop it spreading to those people for whom the vaccine doesn’t work (no vaccine is 100%), are younger and unlucky (the figure isn’t zero), or are just too vulnerable to take one. Which would be fine if they weren’t pandering to a hysterical public that think said government can control nature and save them from what they see as certain death (but in reality is a very small chance of dying, unless you’re in a very specific demographic)
So just because (thankfully) you’re not at much risk of dying, doesn’t mean there aren’t still some good reasons to help stop the virus spreading.
V6 Pushfit said:
Took a London cab from Liverpool St Station today. Cabbie was a complete nutjob and in 10 minutes I had:
1. He got a £200 fine for not wearing a mask in his cab, a story that didn’t stack up as he had screens and also no passenger at the time. But the story was mainly about telling the police ‘to do one’ and filming their reaction, and only then showing them on his phone he has some special mask exemption for medical reasons. Verdict: mad story with no reality which he’s trying to punt out as clever him vs vile authority
2. His mate died within a week of the jab. Verdict: made up overheard-in-the pub fairy story bks
3. Covid death numbers are made up, the absolute proof being that this year the annual flu official death figures plummeted so it shows that they were just swinging the deaths over to Covid as the cause. Verdict: WTF???
Bonkers.
3 has the most element of truth 1. He got a £200 fine for not wearing a mask in his cab, a story that didn’t stack up as he had screens and also no passenger at the time. But the story was mainly about telling the police ‘to do one’ and filming their reaction, and only then showing them on his phone he has some special mask exemption for medical reasons. Verdict: mad story with no reality which he’s trying to punt out as clever him vs vile authority
2. His mate died within a week of the jab. Verdict: made up overheard-in-the pub fairy story b
ks3. Covid death numbers are made up, the absolute proof being that this year the annual flu official death figures plummeted so it shows that they were just swinging the deaths over to Covid as the cause. Verdict: WTF???
Bonkers.
sevensfun said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Took a London cab from Liverpool St Station today. Cabbie was a complete nutjob and in 10 minutes I had:
1. He got a £200 fine for not wearing a mask in his cab, a story that didn’t stack up as he had screens and also no passenger at the time. But the story was mainly about telling the police ‘to do one’ and filming their reaction, and only then showing them on his phone he has some special mask exemption for medical reasons. Verdict: mad story with no reality which he’s trying to punt out as clever him vs vile authority
2. His mate died within a week of the jab. Verdict: made up overheard-in-the pub fairy story bks
3. Covid death numbers are made up, the absolute proof being that this year the annual flu official death figures plummeted so it shows that they were just swinging the deaths over to Covid as the cause. Verdict: WTF???
Bonkers.
3 has the most element of truth 1. He got a £200 fine for not wearing a mask in his cab, a story that didn’t stack up as he had screens and also no passenger at the time. But the story was mainly about telling the police ‘to do one’ and filming their reaction, and only then showing them on his phone he has some special mask exemption for medical reasons. Verdict: mad story with no reality which he’s trying to punt out as clever him vs vile authority
2. His mate died within a week of the jab. Verdict: made up overheard-in-the pub fairy story b
ks3. Covid death numbers are made up, the absolute proof being that this year the annual flu official death figures plummeted so it shows that they were just swinging the deaths over to Covid as the cause. Verdict: WTF???
Bonkers.
There was also another, repeated 3 times:
4. The vaccination isn’t a vaccination it’s an inoculation. People aren’t told that. They think it’s a vaccination.
isaldiri said:
67Dino said:
So just because (thankfully) you’re not at much risk of dying, doesn’t mean there aren’t still some good reasons to help stop the virus spreading.
Unless you think eradication is possible, longer term there isn't a realistic way to 'stop the virus spreading'.....I'm both supportive and impressed in terms of the speed we have managed to vaccinate the vulnerable, but vaccinating 20 year olds is nonsense. That said, it seems like the delta variant has symptoms similar to the common cold, so it'll be interesting to see if people ignore it, or request for tests grow exponentially as almost anything could be a covid symptom these days
Read a fair amount on the thread and others, for me the whole thing stinks. Not posting to debate anyone or cause concern - not the place on an open forum.
Even going way back as in the cause of the Sars covid 2 doesn't sit right, very much debate around that by the scientific community.
- How infections are being recorded via PCR testing and then the lateral flow test which is even more unreliable because for a health care worker you have to confirm with a PCR test, not so at sporting events or schools/colleges no doubt? The Nobel prize winner and inventor of the PCR test Kary B Mullis in a old YouTube position is clear on the intended use for his invention and it wasn't to detect disease.
Died in August 2019.....
https://youtu.be/ZmZft4fXhQQ
- The way in which a CV19 death were being recorded in 2020 never sat rght with me. 28 day following a position test death in an unrelated incident counted as a CV19 death. I think for a period the UK government actually counting beyond the 28 days. Bearing in mind many of the individuals will of had zero symptoms at all. Stated on the gov website. Dying 'with' and 'dying' from are two different entities.
Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths - Public health matters (blog.gov.uk)
However, it is only an approximation of the number of people who die from COVID-19 because other causes of death are included.
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/half-cov...
Half of the people who were in hospital in Devon and Cornwall having tested positive for COVID-19 were admitted for other reasons, latest figures show.
The monthly NHS trust situation report, which was released on Thursday night - and covers up until October 1 - showed six patients were in hospital across the two counties.
But only three of the admissions were because of coronavirus, with three of them being diagnosed once they were in the hospital – either because they were infected within the hospital or because they were admitted for a different reason unrelated to COVID-19, but unknowingly also had the virus when they were tested.
- Study of the Diamond Princess cruise liner whereby holiday makers showed strange spread of the virus or rather the lack of. Vincent Rajkumar editor in chief blood cancer journal, Oncologist. - study of passengers on ship for 27 days.
among US passengers studied: 16 people sharing a room with someone asymptotic, did not get infected. 10 people sharing a room with someone showing CV symptoms did not get infected.similar findings on a cruise ship in Antarctica.
- All these vaccines has emergency use authorisation. And the FDA opted not to request the manufacturers report data on the side effects via VAERS vaccine adverse event reporting system or something like that. Also the manufacturers have zero liability about the safety of the mRNA vaccines, never been used on the public. No data on the medium or long term side effects. No data on the effects of the nano lipid delivery system and its effects on the human body.
Furthermore: CDC Report Finds Underlying Conditions in 94 Percent of COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.jems.com/news/cdc-report-underlying-co...
The CDC said: The following are the top underlying medical conditions linked with COVID-19 deaths.
so if you were to clump anyone who had a positive covid test and died from any of the above that by themselves are killers, you have a pandemic.
Who ever ops in for the vaccine is part of an experiment as the clinical trials wasn't completed prior to the roll out. Clinical trials brake years not months as you need to do follow ups on the members medium and long term. Granted these have to be side stepped during a pandemic however a robust adverse effect data logger needs to be in place to which it isn't.
This isn't a matter of facts or data, whether you are for or against the vaccine you can present info to support your stance. The problem is there shouldn't be hardly any info from medical professionals raising the flag for the vaccine and in relation to antibody dependent enhancement.
https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/doctors-for...
That's the concern I have is there are too many time tested medical professionals stepping forward to voice their concerns. Not to mention the cancel culture whereby a narrative is being pushed and silencing the other side which isn't scientific to put all your eggs in one basket in terms of remedy for situation, without open debate for professionals in that field.
Even going way back as in the cause of the Sars covid 2 doesn't sit right, very much debate around that by the scientific community.
- How infections are being recorded via PCR testing and then the lateral flow test which is even more unreliable because for a health care worker you have to confirm with a PCR test, not so at sporting events or schools/colleges no doubt? The Nobel prize winner and inventor of the PCR test Kary B Mullis in a old YouTube position is clear on the intended use for his invention and it wasn't to detect disease.
Died in August 2019.....
https://youtu.be/ZmZft4fXhQQ
- The way in which a CV19 death were being recorded in 2020 never sat rght with me. 28 day following a position test death in an unrelated incident counted as a CV19 death. I think for a period the UK government actually counting beyond the 28 days. Bearing in mind many of the individuals will of had zero symptoms at all. Stated on the gov website. Dying 'with' and 'dying' from are two different entities.
Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths - Public health matters (blog.gov.uk)
However, it is only an approximation of the number of people who die from COVID-19 because other causes of death are included.
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/half-cov...
Half of the people who were in hospital in Devon and Cornwall having tested positive for COVID-19 were admitted for other reasons, latest figures show.
The monthly NHS trust situation report, which was released on Thursday night - and covers up until October 1 - showed six patients were in hospital across the two counties.
But only three of the admissions were because of coronavirus, with three of them being diagnosed once they were in the hospital – either because they were infected within the hospital or because they were admitted for a different reason unrelated to COVID-19, but unknowingly also had the virus when they were tested.
- Study of the Diamond Princess cruise liner whereby holiday makers showed strange spread of the virus or rather the lack of. Vincent Rajkumar editor in chief blood cancer journal, Oncologist. - study of passengers on ship for 27 days.
among US passengers studied: 16 people sharing a room with someone asymptotic, did not get infected. 10 people sharing a room with someone showing CV symptoms did not get infected.similar findings on a cruise ship in Antarctica.
- All these vaccines has emergency use authorisation. And the FDA opted not to request the manufacturers report data on the side effects via VAERS vaccine adverse event reporting system or something like that. Also the manufacturers have zero liability about the safety of the mRNA vaccines, never been used on the public. No data on the medium or long term side effects. No data on the effects of the nano lipid delivery system and its effects on the human body.
Furthermore: CDC Report Finds Underlying Conditions in 94 Percent of COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.jems.com/news/cdc-report-underlying-co...
The CDC said: The following are the top underlying medical conditions linked with COVID-19 deaths.
- Influenza and pneumonia
- Respiratory failure
- Hypertensive disease
- Diabetes
- Vascular and unspecified dementia
- Cardiac Arrest
- Heart failure
so if you were to clump anyone who had a positive covid test and died from any of the above that by themselves are killers, you have a pandemic.
Who ever ops in for the vaccine is part of an experiment as the clinical trials wasn't completed prior to the roll out. Clinical trials brake years not months as you need to do follow ups on the members medium and long term. Granted these have to be side stepped during a pandemic however a robust adverse effect data logger needs to be in place to which it isn't.
This isn't a matter of facts or data, whether you are for or against the vaccine you can present info to support your stance. The problem is there shouldn't be hardly any info from medical professionals raising the flag for the vaccine and in relation to antibody dependent enhancement.
https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/doctors-for...
That's the concern I have is there are too many time tested medical professionals stepping forward to voice their concerns. Not to mention the cancel culture whereby a narrative is being pushed and silencing the other side which isn't scientific to put all your eggs in one basket in terms of remedy for situation, without open debate for professionals in that field.
Edited by davey83 on Wednesday 16th June 09:24
davey83 said:
...never been used on the public. No data on the medium or long term side effects. No data on the effects of the nano lipid delivery system and its effects on the human body.
mRNA vaccines have been tested and used in humans before, rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.mRNA vaccines have also been tested in a range of cancers before including myeloid leukemia, multiple myeloma, glioblastoma, melanoma, prostate cancer and etc...
There were also a few therapeutics trials on cardiac research and diabetics.
https://www.astrazeneca.com/what-science-can-do/to...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-08852-4
Covid was a super easy target to show this technology.
davey83 said:
Read a fair amount on the thread and others, for me the whole thing stinks. Not posting to debate anyone or cause concern - not the place on an open forum.
If you're not posting to discuss or inform what is your motivation for posting?davey83 said:
Furthermore: CDC Report Finds Underlying Conditions in 94 Percent of COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.jems.com/news/cdc-report-underlying-co...
The CDC said: The following are the top underlying medical conditions linked with COVID-19 deaths.
so if you were to clump anyone who had a positive covid test and died from any of the above that by themselves are killers, you have a pandemic.
I'm not going to argue with you, but I am going to point out that this article is so bad, the author apparently does not even understand the difference between a "cause of death" and "contributing conditions". https://www.jems.com/news/cdc-report-underlying-co...
The CDC said: The following are the top underlying medical conditions linked with COVID-19 deaths.
- Influenza and pneumonia
- Respiratory failure
- Hypertensive disease
- Diabetes
- Vascular and unspecified dementia
- Cardiac Arrest
- Heart failure
so if you were to clump anyone who had a positive covid test and died from any of the above that by themselves are killers, you have a pandemic.
What the CDC have said, based on the article itself, the source is actually missing (a fine article indeed) is that 94% of individuals who have died with COVID-19, have something else specified on the death certificate. Which is actually to be expected.
I mean, "pneumonia" on the death certificate (a top result) claimed by the article to be demonstrable proof of overstating COVID-19, literally means an "infection of the lungs", it is entirely in-keeping with a death directly related to COVID-19 infection. So I assume the author doesn't actually understand medical terms either.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pneumonia/
Again, I'm not actually a covid-19 doomsday activist, but people need to understand that some things are just absolute non-sense touted by morons. When you regurgitate them on a public forum, you only succeed in undermining your own position, as we can only now assume you yourself don't understand any of this.
Edited by Prof Prolapse on Wednesday 16th June 10:48
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