Does anyone know an Anti Covid vaxxer?
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After an unexpected stay in ICU for 4 nights over the weekend the covids were only mentioned once that they could jab me there if i liked?
No thanks says I as a 50+ year old healthy male.
Oh, says the junior doctor, and that was that.
I got the impression they are more concerned about Mrsa still.
No thanks says I as a 50+ year old healthy male.
Oh, says the junior doctor, and that was that.
I got the impression they are more concerned about Mrsa still.
V6 Pushfit said:
Took a London cab from Liverpool St Station today. Cabbie was a complete nutjob and in 10 minutes I had:
1. He got a £200 fine for not wearing a mask in his cab, a story that didn’t stack up as he had screens and also no passenger at the time. But the story was mainly about telling the police ‘to do one’ and filming their reaction, and only then showing them on his phone he has some special mask exemption for medical reasons. Verdict: mad story with no reality which he’s trying to punt out as clever him vs vile authority
2. His mate died within a week of the jab. Verdict: made up overheard-in-the pub fairy story b
ks
3. Covid death numbers are made up, the absolute proof being that this year the annual flu official death figures plummeted so it shows that they were just swinging the deaths over to Covid as the cause. Verdict: WTF???
Bonkers.
1. He got a £200 fine for not wearing a mask in his cab, a story that didn’t stack up as he had screens and also no passenger at the time. But the story was mainly about telling the police ‘to do one’ and filming their reaction, and only then showing them on his phone he has some special mask exemption for medical reasons. Verdict: mad story with no reality which he’s trying to punt out as clever him vs vile authority
2. His mate died within a week of the jab. Verdict: made up overheard-in-the pub fairy story b
ks3. Covid death numbers are made up, the absolute proof being that this year the annual flu official death figures plummeted so it shows that they were just swinging the deaths over to Covid as the cause. Verdict: WTF???
Bonkers.
The reason this country is in such a mess is that all the people who apparently know all the answers to everything, aren't running it, but are driving taxis and cutting hair instead.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The reason this country is in such a mess is that all the people who apparently know all the answers to everything, aren't running it, but are driving taxis and cutting hair instead.
sevensfun said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The reason this country is in such a mess is that all the people who apparently know all the answers to everything, aren't running it, but are driving taxis and cutting hair instead.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/coronavirus...
ooid said:
mRNA vaccines have been tested and used in humans before, rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.
mRNA vaccines have also been tested in a range of cancers before including myeloid leukemia, multiple myeloma, glioblastoma, melanoma, prostate cancer and etc...
There were also a few therapeutics trials on cardiac research and diabetics.
https://www.astrazeneca.com/what-science-can-do/to...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-08852-4
Covid was a super easy target to show this technology.
agreed, mrna technology has been tested for years however that doesn't mean they are safe. These CV19 jabs haven't been approved by the FDA, nor have they been used on the mass public outside of trials - unless you can present otherwise for gene based therapy for corona viruses. mRNA vaccines have also been tested in a range of cancers before including myeloid leukemia, multiple myeloma, glioblastoma, melanoma, prostate cancer and etc...
There were also a few therapeutics trials on cardiac research and diabetics.
https://www.astrazeneca.com/what-science-can-do/to...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-08852-4
Covid was a super easy target to show this technology.
V6 Pushfit said:
^ LFT’s give false negatives not false positives so underestimate the spread.
The 28 days death count is also more likely to underestimate as people die of Covid 4+ weeks from their +ve test.
In actual fact as i stated, numbers included beyond 28 days for unrelated causes.The 28 days death count is also more likely to underestimate as people die of Covid 4+ weeks from their +ve test.
Background information
In England, a new weekly set of figures will also be published, showing the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide an additional measure of the impact of the disease over time.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-wide-met...
smn159 said:
Certainly of massive importance to all those influenced by tittle-tattle and sowshal meeja. The rest of us couldn’t give a toss. Cummings is complete no hoper trying to validate his existence after losing his job
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 16th June 13:51
Seems like Boris could st in peoples mouths and they'd still think he's great. If those WA messages are true, it doesn't just show he was clueless about how to tackle the pandemic, or that he has no faith in Hancock, but that he didn't fix/change that situation which he knew was not working. If they are true.
t in peoples mouths and they'd still think he's great. If those WA messages are true, it doesn't just show he was clueless about how to tackle the pandemic, or that he has no faith in Hancock, but that he didn't fix/change that situation which he knew was not working. If they are true. m_cozzy said:
After an unexpected stay in ICU for 4 nights over the weekend the covids were only mentioned once that they could jab me there if i liked?
No thanks says I as a 50+ year old healthy male.
Oh, says the junior doctor, and that was that.
I got the impression they are more concerned about Mrsa still.
ICUs must be quiet if they’re letting healthy people stay there (even if they do think there are 4 nights to a weekend No thanks says I as a 50+ year old healthy male.
Oh, says the junior doctor, and that was that.
I got the impression they are more concerned about Mrsa still.
)davey83 said:
agreed, mrna technology has been tested for years however that doesn't mean they are safe. These CV19 jabs haven't been approved by the FDA, nor have they been used on the mass public outside of trials - unless you can present otherwise for gene based therapy for corona viruses.
As a citizen of the UK (presumably) why would you want FDA approval? If you trial a vaccine for years to assure safety, and do so, why would that mean it's not safe?
Gene therapies are well established and many sold under licence for a number of indications, but there's no gene-therapy required for COVID-19. What is your point?
Prof Prolapse said:
As a citizen of the UK (presumably) why would you want FDA approval?
True. When I was involved in approvals years ago they were completely separate, with us usually working to whichever was the minimum standard. Only real difference to my work was recording dates with a worded month i.e. 16JUN21
V6 Pushfit said:
smn159 said:
Certainly of massive importance to all those influenced by tittle-tattle and sowshal meeja. The rest of us couldn’t give a toss. Cummings is complete no hoper trying to validate his existence after losing his job
Edited by V6 Pushfit on Wednesday 16th June 13:51
king useless' and yet still remains in post?If that is indeed the assessment of Hancock, then he fits right in alongside the likes of Patel I suppose.
You're right about Cummings, by the way
Captain Raymond Holt said:
Prof Prolapse said:
As a citizen of the UK (presumably) why would you want FDA approval?
True. When I was involved in approvals years ago they were completely separate, with us usually working to whichever was the minimum standard. Only real difference to my work was recording dates with a worded month i.e. 16JUN21
I've used that way of writing the date for over ten years now... We're not supposed to schedule meetings at "quarter past" either, lest our American cousins turn up at X:25 because that's how many cents are in a "quarter". Personally I find any vocab guidelines designed to protect our colleagues from confusion between fractions of the hour and their own currency particularly hilarious. I'm really not convinced it's ever happened though!
Prof Prolapse said:
As a citizen of the UK (presumably) why would you want FDA approval?
If you trial a vaccine for years to assure safety, and do so, why would that mean it's not safe?
Gene therapies are well established and many sold under licence for a number of indications, but there's no gene-therapy required for COVID-19. What is your point?
Because AZ, Pfizer Moderna are US founded companies despite paring up with other countries so would make sense for it to be cleared locally to which is hasn't. If you trial a vaccine for years to assure safety, and do so, why would that mean it's not safe?
Gene therapies are well established and many sold under licence for a number of indications, but there's no gene-therapy required for COVID-19. What is your point?
Ours is no better - How was the MHRA able to approve the vaccine so quickly? The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency gave temporary authorisation to the supply of specific batches of Pfizer and BioNTech's vaccine on 2 December,1 on the basis of efficacy data submitted between 1 October and 2 December 2020.
Slim data to say the least.
Already i feel we are talking pass each other sadly. Just because a drug has been tested for years doesn't mean its safe for public use, ie cleared all safety concerns which can only be evaluated over the duration of time during stage 4 trials. No CV19 has completed stage 4 trails to confirm its safety. You dont know the potential medium to long term effects.
Point is the mrna is new technology to which the medium and long term effects arent known.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/18/bill-and-melinda-g...
As CEO of Moderna Therapeutics, Bancel helms a biotech company that claims it can direct cells to develop whatever proteins it chooses, in effect turning a body’s own cells into miniature factories capable of developing the therapeutic proteins necessary to fight infections and heal diseases.
“People are pretty excited about the potential for mRNA vaccines,” said Anna Durbin, professor of international health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “But right now we don’t have the human data to see if they’re going to live up to their potential.”
By injecting synthetic mRNA into the body, Moderna says it can direct the body’s cells to make proteins, turning cells themselves into drug-producing facilities. For vaccines the approach is the same.
How well will the body be able to abort the narrow instruction from the mrna spike protein and mount an offence to a new virus or common cold?
Again a mrna vaccine in a personal choice to which im not willing to participate in the experiment. I dont wish to supplement my immune system.
Edited by davey83 on Wednesday 16th June 16:27
You need to read a bit more on mRNA technique/technology or really speak to your GP. Your concerns/claims are really not valid and probably taking a paracetamol tablet might do more harm or side effects than having an mRNA vaccine really.
The reason mRNA was not available or commercially viable in the past, mostly because of its high cost. (maintaining the temperature).
The reason mRNA was not available or commercially viable in the past, mostly because of its high cost. (maintaining the temperature).
Davey83 I honestly can't see anything you've said that isn't wrong there. Even your understanding of international companies, and Phase IV trials is wrong.
As above. If you can't be convinced by reading yourself, a GP isn't a bad shout.
They're independent from pharma companies and they have an acute interest in your personal well being. They've no reason to lie.
As above. If you can't be convinced by reading yourself, a GP isn't a bad shout.
They're independent from pharma companies and they have an acute interest in your personal well being. They've no reason to lie.
Again a person choice and an individual has to do what makes most sense to them. How is a local GP going to know anything about the long term side effects of a mRNA vaccines never before used if the mass public?
Again way too many medical professionals have raised concerns towards the topic.
https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/urgent-open...
https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/doctors-for...
The way infection has been recorded, CV deaths, lockdowns and vaccines all raise concerns to medical professionals and for me and others it doesn't add up.
If the vaccine was safe why would the manufacturers side step liability?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side...
Nair is a physician. He is also the head of the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program—the system through which the U.S. government has, over the past three decades, paid more than $4 billion to people who claim to have been harmed by vaccines.
And those were vaccines that went through all the trials let alone ones that haven't.
All those who have taken the vaccine need to support your position by any means as you have this tech in you, I do understand to entertain safety or the lack of is incredibly freighting. Better to double down and pretend that the pharmaceutical industry never makes any errors and is always/most of the time safe. Sadly that's not the world we live in.
Again way too many medical professionals have raised concerns towards the topic.
https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/urgent-open...
https://doctors4covidethics.medium.com/doctors-for...
The way infection has been recorded, CV deaths, lockdowns and vaccines all raise concerns to medical professionals and for me and others it doesn't add up.
If the vaccine was safe why would the manufacturers side step liability?
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side...
Nair is a physician. He is also the head of the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program—the system through which the U.S. government has, over the past three decades, paid more than $4 billion to people who claim to have been harmed by vaccines.
And those were vaccines that went through all the trials let alone ones that haven't.
All those who have taken the vaccine need to support your position by any means as you have this tech in you, I do understand to entertain safety or the lack of is incredibly freighting. Better to double down and pretend that the pharmaceutical industry never makes any errors and is always/most of the time safe. Sadly that's not the world we live in.
davey83 said:
All those who have taken the vaccine need to support your position by any means as you have this tech in you, I do understand to entertain safety or the lack of is incredibly freighting. Better to double down and pretend that the pharmaceutical industry never makes any errors and is always/most of the time safe. Sadly that's not the world we live in.
I think for most it's more a case of having weighed up the whole situation and concluded that vaccines appear to be the best way forward under the circumstances, although nothing is ever perfect. With respect, you've been informed/corrected on a lot of the stuff you've posted here but appear to be unable or unwilling to consider updating what are fixed positions.Gassing Station | Health Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff