Does anyone know an Anti Covid vaxxer?

[davey83]

https://youtu.be/ALRbmTrH9w0

Well worth a watch IF you actually are concerned with reality.
New York Times and CDC reports in the video link to back up the findings.

Educate yourself

[Alucidnation]

Captain Raymond Holt said:

s p a c e m a n said:

Saw this in Sittingbourne earlier and thought of this thread.

Someone crashed the anti-vax pool car

Seeing the intelligence of most of them, it's no surprise.

[monkeychild]

I'm still yet to see why I or my family need the vax. Early 40s, healthy, taken vit d for years, not had COVID (that I know) and not been ill for years. My wife and kids (secondary and primary school) haven't been ill or had COVID and my wife has tested twice a week over the last 6 months for work and had no positives.

Why do we need it? It pevents transmission? Does it? Well why is the double vaxxed manager where my wife works currently off with COVID and so is his family (his wife is jabbed too). But this is the best bit............. He's not really "ill" with it, as he was painting furniture yesterday! forgive me for not being scared.I'm sure this is all down to the power of the jab But the odd thing is, no-one else in the workplace is ill.

If you want the vaccine and it makes you feel safe, by all means have it. I have no issue with this, but don't bloody preach to me about the benefits etc.. As I personally don't see any, and this is the beauty of freedom of choice. I have taken ownership of my own life, looked at the risk factors,and I'm statistically at low risk of "having a bad time" with COVID, so why bother taking a vaccine? I may have had the virus already and it's not had an effect, or are we not allowed to say that?

[anonymous-user]

Alucidnation said:

Captain Raymond Holt said:

s p a c e m a n said:

Saw this in Sittingbourne earlier and thought of this thread.

Someone crashed the anti-vax pool car

Seeing the intelligence of most of them, it's no surprise.

Its hilarious seeing them go round in circles trying to avoid a thirty second jab that does no more harm to the body than a cup of expresso (earlier reference) and has the massive benefits if ending lockdown, saving lives and freedom. Trying to justify avoiding it by coming up with every flimsy excuse under the sun just doesn't wash.

As I said before, not giving a reason is OK to a point. The moment there's a reason you know there's something a bit special about the reasoning.

[RiseUp]

Am I right in thinking V6pushfit was the loon who was claiming 100% hospitalisation rate for covid and circa 8/9% mortality rate in April /May last year?

Vaccinating kids under 18 seems unnecessary given where current figures are at. It'll be interesting to see what happens over the winter months.

[anonymous-user]

No it was me who reported the China figures as they were/are and predicted a lockdown here.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 1st July 16:14

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Captain Raymond Holt said:

APontus said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Even though the risk of death / serious illness to the young is low, it's higher than the risk from the vaccine. Therefore, by denying them the vaccine, you are placing them at a higher risk than is necessary and are failing in your duty of care.

You can't possibly know the medium or long term risks of the vaccine a) at all or b) in children, as the testing hasn't been done.

In any case, the logic that you must do something with risk because statistically it reduces more risk than it creates is flawed. For example, you would certainly reject living in s house with stairs.

The reality is, the risk from Covid is so low, that it doesn't justify any medical intervention at all, for me or my children.

I’d suggest that as both covid and the vaccine have been around for a short period of time, you don't know the long term impact of either.

Yes, but given that over 300 years, vaccines have a near perfect record of no medium or long term issues, whereas viruses have a chequered history in this regard, the odds are massively in favour of the vaccine being the safest option.

[davey83]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Yes, but given that over 300 years, vaccines have a near perfect record of no medium or long term issues, whereas viruses have a chequered history in this regard, the odds are massively in favour of the vaccine being the safest option.

https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3414/rr-15

Since its inception, a total of 6,026 have been submitted under the Vaccine Damage Payments Act 1979 uk with only a mere 931 awards being made.

Additionally, it is not immediately apparent to applicants how significant the requirement to satisfy the 60% disablement threshold is. It is the case that applicants can and have been acknowledged as vaccine damaged, but are still refused a payment on the grounds that they are not, in the opinion of the assessors, damaged enough.

-- so if a vaccine disables you to function wither physically or mentally of say 55% - zero payout. a Figure of 74 million has been paied out for those that a vaccine damaged you 60% function or above. Those are for vaccines that did pass clinical trails taking years and years to bring to market let alone one that took months. *1 October to 2 December 2020

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulat...

This temporary Authorisation under Regulation 174 permits the supply of identified COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 batches, based on the safety, quality and efficacy data submitted by Pfizer/BioNTech to MHRA in the period from 1 October to 2 December 2020;

[anonymous-user]

davey83 said:

https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3414/rr-15

Since its inception, a total of 6,026 have been submitted under the Vaccine Damage Payments Act 1979 uk with only a mere 931 awards being made.

So since 1979 under 10,000 and how many vaccines administered - 500m?

[davey83]

V6 Pushfit said:

So since 1979 under 10,000 and how many vaccines administered - 500m?

That's why i tagged on the criteria for payout.........

The figure is 4 billion in payouts in the US.

How it makes sense to anyone the take a new vaccine on the back of 2 months of data is truly beyond me, but everyone is different.

Edited by davey83 on Friday 2nd July 11:20

[anonymous-user]

davey83 said:

V6 Pushfit said:

So since 1979 under 10,000 and how many vaccines administered - 500m?

That's why i tagged on the criteria for payout.........

The figure is 4 billion in payouts in the US.

How it makes sense to anyone the take a new vaccine on the back of 2 months of data is truly beyond me, but everyone is different.

Edited by davey83 on Friday 2nd July 11:20

The payout figure has little relevance, it’s the rate of failure that’s important and it’s so low as to be irrelevant.

You also can’t really use a US payout total as a reason not to be vaccinated, it’s a leap of imagination beyond ridiculous and like saying that due the high value of engine warranty claims on Chinese cars you should’nt buy an Aston Martin.

.....Where on Earth do people get these anti vax arguments from?? They’re getting to pub bore stage, but unfortunately still likely to influence the gullible as a previous poster said.

[bloomen]

A pal of mine resides at the crustie end of the scale.

This means he will refuse the vaccine for it is unproven and from The Man, but will happily insert some MDMA that's been up a Dutchman's urethra into his body. That's if it's MDMA at all.

No doubt almost everyone he associates with is of a similar mind set. I don't think I'll be seeing much of him for the next few years.

[Hoofy]

Comment from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoka4ow6ZU


Plane Drifter
3 hours ago
The Jabbed will have severely compromised immune systems, and they are forecasting a freezing cold winter in the UK for 2021- 2022 so the Jabbed will probably be dropping like flies over the winter. This coming winter could see the end of the C0NV!DV!RUSSCAM.

[anonymous-user]

Hoofy said:

Comment from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoka4ow6ZU


Plane Drifter
3 hours ago
The Jabbed will have severely compromised immune systems, and they are forecasting a freezing cold winter in the UK for 2021- 2022 so the Jabbed will probably be dropping like flies over the winter. This coming winter could see the end of the C0NV!DV!RUSSCAM.

How to the vaccinated have compromised immune systems ?

Another bullst angle to put fear into the gullible, ignorant or anti vax biased.

[survivalist]

V6 Pushfit said:

No it was me who reported the China figures as they were/are and predicted a lockdown here.

Edited by V6 Pushfit on Thursday 1st July 16:14

I remember those days, glad to see the hysteria hasn't faded. Seem to remember you suggesting it would be worse than WW2. Although if we're talking about our government racking up huge levels of debt with ineffective st like track and trace you might have had a point ;-)

[Hoofy]

V6 Pushfit said:

Hoofy said:

Comment from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoka4ow6ZU


Plane Drifter
3 hours ago
The Jabbed will have severely compromised immune systems, and they are forecasting a freezing cold winter in the UK for 2021- 2022 so the Jabbed will probably be dropping like flies over the winter. This coming winter could see the end of the C0NV!DV!RUSSCAM.

How to the vaccinated have compromised immune systems ?

Another bullst angle to put fear into the gullible, ignorant or anti vax biased.

No idea. I didn't bother engaging.

[isaldiri]

RiseUp said:

Am I right in thinking V6pushfit was the loon who was claiming 100% hospitalisation rate for covid and circa 8/9% mortality rate in April /May last year?.

Good god. That was almost a lifetime ago.

Yes he was indeed the person using a fantastically absurd way to calculate fatality rates to skew them to massively high numbers and who at one point claimed a 100% hospitalisation rate to boot.

Well done for remembering that....

[davey83]

V6 Pushfit said:

The payout figure has little relevance, it’s the rate of failure that’s important and it’s so low as to be irrelevant.

You also can’t really use a US payout total as a reason not to be vaccinated, it’s a leap of imagination beyond ridiculous and like saying that due the high value of engine warranty claims on Chinese cars you should’nt buy an Aston Martin.

.....Where on Earth do people get these anti vax arguments from?? They’re getting to pub bore stage, but unfortunately still likely to influence the gullible as a previous poster said.

My post was to correct the notion that vaccines have a near perfect record, which isn't true. Furthermore more you mRNA vaccines have never been used on the general public before, unless you can prove otherwise.

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Yes, but given that over 300 years, vaccines have a near perfect record of no medium or long term issues, whereas viruses have a chequered history in this regard, the odds are massively in favour of the vaccine being the safest option.

No one here is using vaccine payouts as a reason to not get vaccinated, reasons are:

CV19 Vaccines are new to market, no track record and are still in clinical trials so therefore are not worth the potential risk.

Do you know the difference in your own words between a traditional vaccine and a mRNA vaccine?

[Teddy Lop]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Yes, but given that over 300 years, vaccines have a near perfect record of no medium or long term issues, whereas viruses have a chequered history in this regard, the odds are massively in favour of the vaccine being the safest option.

It's easy to see no problem if you're specifically not looking.

https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs

said:

Are adverse reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine recordable on the OSHA recordkeeping log?

DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.

It also contains polyethylene glycol which is all sorts of nasty still being uncovered. Currently linked to breakdown of the blood brain membrain allowing in toxins.

I've had my double jabs so try to hang on me whatever you want, but your attitude that the vaccine is wonderfully utterly risk free is every bit as daft and ignorant as people burning down 5G towers and more cult than logic.

Wanting to vaccinate children with such an unconcluded substance to protect the elderly is horrifying and bears testimony to the corruption and ideological vaccum prevalent in leadership today (across tribes)

[anonymous-user]

survivalist said:

I remember those days, glad to see the hysteria hasn't faded. Seem to remember you suggesting it would be worse than WW2. Although if we're talking about our government racking up huge levels of debt with ineffective st like track and trace you might have had a point ;-)

Nope didn’t suggest any comparison to WW2 either, although I do remember you going on about it being just flu and a CIA conspiracy!