Does anyone know an Anti Covid vaxxer?
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Harrison Bergeron said:
V6 Pushfit said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
A 1 in 10 chance of hospitalisation in the general population ? What scottyferguson book of facts are you pulling that from?
...actually the last 7 days has been 15% of +ve tests, or are you going to argue the 4 days lag etc etc will bring it down to so significantly less than 10% that it was worth your post??
If 33% of people never had a test, for whatever reason, and never bothered to go to a test centre and be recorded then 10% would be achieved. As such a huge number is unlikely then the rate of hospitalisation (including untested) is undoubtedly higher than 10%, but less than 15%.
And we know this affects the younger.
And we know only Covid chooses who.
So...... GET A VACCINE!!
See if you can spot any trends or who the beer virus affects most.
And why the caps each time for the virus? It’s as though you’re trying to make a point - I have no idea what though.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 15th March 07:24
Not sure if this is one for this thread or not..
My kids schoolfriends mum has been spouting off on FB about how covid doesnt exist and the vaccine is some sort of 5g zombie apocalypse precursor. Given that my kids nan just died of covid19 we have had the seating arrangements changed. On one hand it seems like penalising their kid for the parents actions and on the other the apple doesnt fall far, and im not having my child tormented by some flat earther type.
My kids schoolfriends mum has been spouting off on FB about how covid doesnt exist and the vaccine is some sort of 5g zombie apocalypse precursor. Given that my kids nan just died of covid19 we have had the seating arrangements changed. On one hand it seems like penalising their kid for the parents actions and on the other the apple doesnt fall far, and im not having my child tormented by some flat earther type.
bmwmike said:
Not sure if this is one for this thread or not..
My kids schoolfriends mum has been spouting off on FB about how covid doesnt exist and the vaccine is some sort of 5g zombie apocalypse precursor. Given that my kids nan just died of covid19 we have had the seating arrangements changed. On one hand it seems like penalising their kid for the parents actions and on the other the apple doesnt fall far, and im not having my child tormented by some flat earther type.
Sorry, which seating arrangements have you changed?My kids schoolfriends mum has been spouting off on FB about how covid doesnt exist and the vaccine is some sort of 5g zombie apocalypse precursor. Given that my kids nan just died of covid19 we have had the seating arrangements changed. On one hand it seems like penalising their kid for the parents actions and on the other the apple doesnt fall far, and im not having my child tormented by some flat earther type.
grumbledoak said:
bmwmike said:
Not sure if this is one for this thread or not..
My kids schoolfriends mum has been spouting off on FB about how covid doesnt exist and the vaccine is some sort of 5g zombie apocalypse precursor. Given that my kids nan just died of covid19 we have had the seating arrangements changed. On one hand it seems like penalising their kid for the parents actions and on the other the apple doesnt fall far, and im not having my child tormented by some flat earther type.
Sorry, which seating arrangements have you changed?My kids schoolfriends mum has been spouting off on FB about how covid doesnt exist and the vaccine is some sort of 5g zombie apocalypse precursor. Given that my kids nan just died of covid19 we have had the seating arrangements changed. On one hand it seems like penalising their kid for the parents actions and on the other the apple doesnt fall far, and im not having my child tormented by some flat earther type.
grumbledoak said:
bmwmike said:
Yeah sorry, bit of a non post on my part. My kid used to sit next to their kid and now doesn't as we requested a seat change, and my kid is fully in support of that move.
You have changed your child’s seating at school?Wow.
paulguitar said:
grumbledoak said:
bmwmike said:
Yeah sorry, bit of a non post on my part. My kid used to sit next to their kid and now doesn't as we requested a seat change, and my kid is fully in support of that move.
You have changed your child’s seating at school?Wow.
I live in Hong Kong - where they have had substantial success in containing virus numbers (at what cost is obviously another discussion).
I don’t see much anti-vaccine conspiracy garbage, but a large number of those who don’t want it; presumably because with case numbers as they are, C19 doesn’t present a risk. Wood for the trees. The same thing is happening in Australia.
I read, however, that no-shows for sinovac (Chinese) jab appointments have hovered around 35%. I don’t think this is anti-vac conspiracy though, it’s just misplaced faith in media rubbish about vaccines being dangerous.
It’s alarming, because I would wager HK was already on track to be about the last place on earth to open up it’s borders (zero cases is too many) and any relaxation of which will be tied to vaccination uptake. Not great for a city that exists as an infrastructure hub.
The positive offshoot I suppose, is that they’ve rapidly expanded the eligible groups for vaccination. I was already in group 1 being a transport worker, but my wife has her jabs the same time as me this month and early next. Both Pfizer, both in our 30s.
I don’t see much anti-vaccine conspiracy garbage, but a large number of those who don’t want it; presumably because with case numbers as they are, C19 doesn’t present a risk. Wood for the trees. The same thing is happening in Australia.
I read, however, that no-shows for sinovac (Chinese) jab appointments have hovered around 35%. I don’t think this is anti-vac conspiracy though, it’s just misplaced faith in media rubbish about vaccines being dangerous.
It’s alarming, because I would wager HK was already on track to be about the last place on earth to open up it’s borders (zero cases is too many) and any relaxation of which will be tied to vaccination uptake. Not great for a city that exists as an infrastructure hub.
The positive offshoot I suppose, is that they’ve rapidly expanded the eligible groups for vaccination. I was already in group 1 being a transport worker, but my wife has her jabs the same time as me this month and early next. Both Pfizer, both in our 30s.
parakitaMol. said:
Louis Balfour said:
I am intrigued as to why so many medics globally are declining the vaccine.
Interesting because my OH is a Consultant who collaborates with hundreds of medics all round the globe - he’s said that every single Doctor he knows /works with is clamouring for it. He’s very critical of ‘information’ (he’s a specialist in clinical trials /new drug development) he’s going to have it. I have only a small sample.
Daughter : 24 year old Pharmacist in a Hospital has had 2 doses of the Pfizer jab. As have ALL the pharmacists and Pharmacy staff. 100%
Son's Fiancee: 27 year old microbiologist, lab manager in a leading hospital. Has been organising mass testing at speed. Suffers from.a range of health issues. ALL her staff and she have had a single dose of the Az jab.
Son: 28 trainee accountant. Ex scientist.having worked for 3 years in drug research. Will have it when offered.
Wife : ex nurse. Suffers from ME (post viral chronic fatigue) Has had 1 Az jab, ALL her old nursing (75% still nurses) friends have had a jab.
Wife's sister : ex nurse suffers from asthma has had 1 AZ jab
Brother in law: recovering from.having a kidney removed ( cancer) has had 1 AZ jab - he's not medically trained, but he knows his way around Aintree University hospital.
So on.my small sample it seems that anyone with medical/pharmaceutical background, would rather risk the side effects of the jab, than the side effects of Covid.
Side effects being
A f
ked economyDepression and isolation
130,000 dead
Long Covid ( can we call it post viral chronic fatigue?)
bmwmike said:
Not sure if this is one for this thread or not..
My kids schoolfriends mum has been spouting off on FB about how covid doesnt exist and the vaccine is some sort of 5g zombie apocalypse precursor. Given that my kids nan just died of covid19 we have had the seating arrangements changed. On one hand it seems like penalising their kid for the parents actions and on the other the apple doesnt fall far, and im not having my child tormented by some flat earther type.
I "attend" a project meeting with a large team from.3 companies over 5 time zones and the main man from.the lead company is a British ex-pat based in the USA. There is a project risk over travel.to the USA late June, and July for final integration, testing and demonstration to the customer. My kids schoolfriends mum has been spouting off on FB about how covid doesnt exist and the vaccine is some sort of 5g zombie apocalypse precursor. Given that my kids nan just died of covid19 we have had the seating arrangements changed. On one hand it seems like penalising their kid for the parents actions and on the other the apple doesnt fall far, and im not having my child tormented by some flat earther type.
His attitude to Covid is "we've all had it, we are fine, it's just the flu, we've got antibodies now..."
Just after Christmas he was connected to the meeting from.a holiday let in Florida, where he and 3 other families (16 people) were having 2 weeks post Christmas vacation. They'd all had it apparently. Oh f
k off. It's not my place to point out that one of the team has a wife with long Covid, and one of the team has just lost his mother in law to it.
Why are you all posting anecdotes when a Google for “healthcare professionals declining vaccine” will give you the statistics in one page?
To pick one that isn’t paywalled,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/...
To pick one that isn’t paywalled,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/...
grumbledoak said:
Why are you all posting anecdotes when a Google for “healthcare professionals declining vaccine” will give you the statistics in one page?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/...
Because our anecdotes are people we know (Or people they work with) and the internet lies. Unlike us) https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/...
The local newspaper online page has corralled the anti vaxxers who coincidentally are also mostly Covid deniers and anti-fear protesters! It was all quiet for a bit, save for the odd rustle of tinfoil, but this whole EU country suspension thing has frothed them up again nicely. I do feel sorry for them because it's obvious in some cases they there is a mental fragility issue.
I'm surprised they've not lauded Turkey as the holiday destination of the enlightened, the bastion of the right to choose etc etc. It'll come though, which is just more entertainment.
I'm surprised they've not lauded Turkey as the holiday destination of the enlightened, the bastion of the right to choose etc etc. It'll come though, which is just more entertainment.
grumbledoak said:
Why are you all posting anecdotes when a Google for “healthcare professionals declining vaccine” will give you the statistics in one page?
To pick one that isn’t paywalled,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/...
Because there’s no need to sit in a squalid bedsit to ‘google’ an answer when you know real people.To pick one that isn’t paywalled,
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/...
Pit Pony said:
grumbledoak said:
Why are you all posting anecdotes when a Google for “healthcare professionals declining vaccine” will give you the statistics in one page?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/...
Because our anecdotes are people we know (Or people they work with) and the internet lies. Unlike us) https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/...
Find a UK source stating the same, and then come back please.
JonChalk said:
Because you've quoted a US source, quoting US healthcare professionals, a significant proportion of which will be Trump / De Santis devotees and therefore skewing the data.
Find a UK source stating the same, and then come back please.
Find a UK source stating the same, and then come back please.
2nd hit is the Telegraph, usually paywalled but working for me this morning,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/28/quarte...
Here you go, an actual study done of Leicester hospital trust staff a while ago on the takeup rates, a breakdown by ethnicity as well.
A few bits from the article below
"The analysis found 70.9% of white staff at the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust had received the jab, compared with 58.5% of South Asian staff and 36.8% of black staff.
The report - which covers the period from 9 December to 3 February - found 12,278 staff from a total of 19,044 had come forward to have a jab since it was offered in mid-December.
Further analysis of the South Asian group found a much lower take-up among Pakistani and Bangladeshi healthcare staff (43.2%) than the Indian cohort (60.3%).
However the rate between Black Caribbean and Black African staff was quite similar.
The study also noted a lower take-up among staff under 30.
Staff in this age range made up 18.7% of the vaccinated group compared with 31.7% in the group who had not come forward for a jab."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershi...
A few bits from the article below
"The analysis found 70.9% of white staff at the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust had received the jab, compared with 58.5% of South Asian staff and 36.8% of black staff.
The report - which covers the period from 9 December to 3 February - found 12,278 staff from a total of 19,044 had come forward to have a jab since it was offered in mid-December.
Further analysis of the South Asian group found a much lower take-up among Pakistani and Bangladeshi healthcare staff (43.2%) than the Indian cohort (60.3%).
However the rate between Black Caribbean and Black African staff was quite similar.
The study also noted a lower take-up among staff under 30.
Staff in this age range made up 18.7% of the vaccinated group compared with 31.7% in the group who had not come forward for a jab."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershi...
Total loss said:
Here you go, an actual study done of Leicester hospital trust staff a while ago on the takeup rates, a breakdown by ethnicity as well.
A few bits from the article below
"The analysis found 70.9% of white staff at the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust had received the jab, compared with 58.5% of South Asian staff and 36.8% of black staff.
The report - which covers the period from 9 December to 3 February - found 12,278 staff from a total of 19,044 had come forward to have a jab since it was offered in mid-December.
Further analysis of the South Asian group found a much lower take-up among Pakistani and Bangladeshi healthcare staff (43.2%) than the Indian cohort (60.3%).
However the rate between Black Caribbean and Black African staff was quite similar.
The study also noted a lower take-up among staff under 30.
Staff in this age range made up 18.7% of the vaccinated group compared with 31.7% in the group who had not come forward for a jab."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershi...
Surely that shows a lower take up among ethnic minority groups rather than a lower take up by healthcare professionals?A few bits from the article below
"The analysis found 70.9% of white staff at the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust had received the jab, compared with 58.5% of South Asian staff and 36.8% of black staff.
The report - which covers the period from 9 December to 3 February - found 12,278 staff from a total of 19,044 had come forward to have a jab since it was offered in mid-December.
Further analysis of the South Asian group found a much lower take-up among Pakistani and Bangladeshi healthcare staff (43.2%) than the Indian cohort (60.3%).
However the rate between Black Caribbean and Black African staff was quite similar.
The study also noted a lower take-up among staff under 30.
Staff in this age range made up 18.7% of the vaccinated group compared with 31.7% in the group who had not come forward for a jab."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershi...
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