Does anyone know an Anti Covid vaxxer?

[selym]

smn159 said:

Total loss said:

Here you go, an actual study done of Leicester hospital trust staff a while ago on the takeup rates, a breakdown by ethnicity as well.
A few bits from the article below
"The analysis found 70.9% of white staff at the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust had received the jab, compared with 58.5% of South Asian staff and 36.8% of black staff.
The report - which covers the period from 9 December to 3 February - found 12,278 staff from a total of 19,044 had come forward to have a jab since it was offered in mid-December.

Further analysis of the South Asian group found a much lower take-up among Pakistani and Bangladeshi healthcare staff (43.2%) than the Indian cohort (60.3%).
However the rate between Black Caribbean and Black African staff was quite similar.

The study also noted a lower take-up among staff under 30.
Staff in this age range made up 18.7% of the vaccinated group compared with 31.7% in the group who had not come forward for a jab."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershi...

Surely that shows a lower take up among ethnic minority groups rather than a lower take up by healthcare professionals?

I was going to say, that's a cultural situation that happens to be in a healthcare environment.

[Total loss]

smn159 said:

Surely that shows a lower take up among ethnic minority groups rather than a lower take up by healthcare professionals?

Still only 70% of white staff though.
'Hospital staff' would include all staff, cleaners etc. wouldn't it.
By healthcare professionals, do you mean frontline staff, doctors & nurses? That would have been a useful breakdown.

[anonymous-user]

Total loss said:

smn159 said:

Surely that shows a lower take up among ethnic minority groups rather than a lower take up by healthcare professionals?

Still only 70% of white staff though.
'Hospital staff' would include all staff, cleaners etc. wouldn't it.
By healthcare professionals, do you mean frontline staff, doctors & nurses? That would have been a useful breakdown.

And the data is 6 weeks old in a rapidly moving situation.

The anti-vaxxers are struggling with their correlation between healthcare professional uptake and vaccine safety. It really doesn't support their position.

[otolith]

More recent numbers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56291564

[smn159]

Roman Rhodes said:

Total loss said:

smn159 said:

Surely that shows a lower take up among ethnic minority groups rather than a lower take up by healthcare professionals?

Still only 70% of white staff though.
'Hospital staff' would include all staff, cleaners etc. wouldn't it.
By healthcare professionals, do you mean frontline staff, doctors & nurses? That would have been a useful breakdown.

And the data is 6 weeks old in a rapidly moving situation.

The anti-vaxxers are struggling with their correlation between healthcare professional uptake and vaccine safety. It really doesn't support their position.

That's the real issue here - they are looking to advance a position that they already hold rather than having any real interest in the evidence

[Total loss]

otolith said:

More recent numbers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56291564

They are far better numbers

[paulguitar]

sutoka said:

Surely the children are sitting in their mandatory face nappies which if you believe the experts significantly reduce the risk. I can't really see any benefit in moving the child, if they are in the same classroom as the other child surely any minor risk is still there.

I don't think you read the backstory before posting.

And why do you refer to 'face nappies'?

[Harrison Bergeron]

V6 Pushfit said:

I’m sorry to have to tell you that you’ve decided not to acknowledge you’re completely wrong but instead quoted something else.

And why the caps each time for the virus? It’s as though you’re trying to make a point - I have no idea what though.

Edited by V6 Pushfit on Monday 15th March 07:24

You’re saying it affects the young and is a serious danger to the young and yet they aren’t dying of it. Death being like the ultimate affect of any disease. The government chart is showing that very few young people are getting the rona on their death certificates so what have the young got to fear ?

[bmwmike]

Harrison Bergeron said:

You’re saying it affects the young and is a serious danger to the young and yet they aren’t dying of it. Death being like the ultimate affect of any disease. The government chart is showing that very few young people are getting the rona on their death certificates so what have the young got to fear ?

There additional outcomes to disease beyond "alive" or "dead". HTH.

[Scabutz]

One of my mates is a full blown, Plandaemic, Bill Gates, illuminati, great reset, etc. I have had to mute him on Facebook. Keep posting utter ste, and when someone calls him out his response is wake up sheeple. I actually thought he was taking the piss at first, but he is dead serious

[otolith]

Harrison Bergeron said:

You’re saying it affects the young and is a serious danger to the young and yet they aren’t dying of it.

I think with an appropriate use of a tourniquet we could probably chop off your genitalia without you dying of it. I think you might still consider that a problem.

[shost]

Enut said:

She is in fact a professional therapist!
Time has disproved the food shortage and Trump theories.
I have tried arguing with her but apparently the hours she spends finding out these 'facts' on the internet is worth much more than the expertise within the NHS, research and pharmaceutical companies.

Edited by Enut on Sunday 14th March 18:34

Wow you have incredible patience! Is this the only subject you disagree on?

Checking back in to this thread after a few days, great to see it’s still going, and wondered what the thoughts of the Venous Thromboembolism (VTE) & the EU vs AZ debacle.

Personally I’m really really surprised by the decision for those countries to suspend vaccine rollout.

Approximately 0.00024% chance of getting a possible related non-fatal(?) VTE, lower than background risk of VTE, yet chance of overall mortality still at around 2% from COVID, and significant risk of COVID infection related severe VTE.

Utter beggars belief. I’ve always respected people’s health concerns relating to vaccine roll out, but cannot relate how governments of our neighbours, having significant daily mortality and financial lockdown related side effects, are choosing to play this one.

[anonymous-user]

Harrison Bergeron said:

You’re saying it affects the young and is a serious danger to the young and yet they aren’t dying of it. Death being like the ultimate affect of any disease. The government chart is showing that very few young people are getting the rona on their death certificates so what have the young got to fear ?

Once again you’ve gone off at a tangent to avoid being caught out in the desperate crusade.

Without attempting to counter your assertion that young have nothing to fear - when, exactly, did I refer to young???

And what was the answer to the question about your terming Covid as ‘THE VIRUS OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN’ and in caps every time?

[Narcisus]

Scabutz said:

One of my mates is a full blown, Plandaemic, Bill Gates, illuminati, great reset, etc. I have had to mute him on Facebook. Keep posting utter ste, and when someone calls him out his response is wake up sheeple. I actually thought he was taking the piss at first, but he is dead serious

I think we have the same mate !!

[Douglas Quaid]

V6 Pushfit said:

...actually the last 7 days has been 15% of +ve tests, or are you going to argue the 4 days lag etc etc will bring it down to so significantly less than 10% that it was worth your post??



If 33% of people never had a test, for whatever reason, and never bothered to go to a test centre and be recorded then 10% would be achieved. As such a huge number is unlikely then the rate of hospitalisation (including untested) is undoubtedly higher than 10%, but less than 15%.

And we know this affects the younger.

And we know only Covid chooses who.

So...... GET A VACCINE!!

Edited by V6 Pushfit on Monday 8th March 07:26

The thing is people admitted to hospital with covid in their system and people dying with covid in their system are not measured accurately. You could have for example 10% of the deaths due to covid and the others just died anyway of something unrelated but happened to have covid in their system when they died of old age. Just an example, I don’t know the true numbers.

You could have 100% of the people admitted to hospital with covid in their system there because of covid, or any number really as every hospital admission is tested so even if you are in for something else entirely like a broken bone, if you test positive you’re classed as a covid admission.

I very much doubt that every hospital admission is down to covid and also every death is down to covid. In fact my wife’s cousin died of a heart attack and that was counted as a covid death even though it wasn’t, so I know it certainly happens that deaths are misdiagnosed.

As you don’t know the real numbers due to covid in either example rather than just with covid you can’t really say anything conclusively.

[Prof Prolapse]

EMA today concluded that there is no increased risk of blood clots with AZ-Oxford vaccine. The WHO has already said this, here in the UK the MHRA has already said this. The vaccine remains demonstrably safe under robust independent review.

Personally I am deeply concerned about the EUs handling of the vaccine programme, and the deaths which will now result from further fueling the fires of misinformation. The vaccines safety has never been in question by any reputable body. Politicians once again are making decisions on matters they clearly know nothing about, and ignoring expert advice.

I had a surprise letter this morning stating my vaccination is scheduled for Sunday. I'll be there!

[gregs656]

It's an anti vaxxers wet dream.

[Pit Pony]

otolith said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

You’re saying it affects the young and is a serious danger to the young and yet they aren’t dying of it.

I think with an appropriate use of a tourniquet we could probably chop off your genitalia without you dying of it. I think you might still consider that a problem.

Brilliant....is there a PH award for the best explanation or statement of the decade. So far.

That's not sarcasm by the way. I think it's brilliant.

[Pit Pony]

Years ago, a mate was describing some st in his life.

And he said " What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger " ....pause..."except polio"

To which I would like to add, after and
8 year long..... pause...."and covid"

[Prof Prolapse]

Pit Pony said:

Years ago, a mate was describing some st in his life.

And he said " What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger " ....pause..."except polio"

To which I would like to add, after and
8 year long..... pause...."and covid"

Yes, a quote from Friedrich Nietzsche, a man who died of an uncontrolled syphilis infection.