Does anyone know an Anti Covid vaxxer?
Discussion
Prof Prolapse said:
EMA today concluded that there is no increased risk of blood clots with AZ-Oxford vaccine. The WHO has already said this, here in the UK the MHRA has already said this. The vaccine remains demonstrably safe under robust independent review.
Personally I am deeply concerned about the EUs handling of the vaccine programme, and the deaths which will now result from further fueling the fires of misinformation. The vaccines safety has never been in question by any reputable body. Politicians once again are making decisions on matters they clearly know nothing about, and ignoring expert advice.
I had a surprise letter this morning stating my vaccination is scheduled for Sunday. I'll be there!
Pretty much nailed by David SpiegelhalterPersonally I am deeply concerned about the EUs handling of the vaccine programme, and the deaths which will now result from further fueling the fires of misinformation. The vaccines safety has never been in question by any reputable body. Politicians once again are making decisions on matters they clearly know nothing about, and ignoring expert advice.
I had a surprise letter this morning stating my vaccination is scheduled for Sunday. I'll be there!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar...
The French seems to have an unhealthy infatuation with alternative medicine. I wonder if their use of homeopaths and other quacks has guided public opinion (and politics) on the vaccine. I can't say if it the same in other European countries, but the woo may be strong in some .....
Emmanuel Macron is an idiot and quite possibly a liar. He referred to the AZ vaccine as "quasi-ineffective" as he stopped the roll out despite no evidence. Then he reversed the decision, then it's proven to be about 81% effective in reducing hospital admissions in the over 80s. I can't find the quote, but I'm sure he even said in light of this recent decision that the French were, "following the science", even though the EMA themselves said to continue to administer the vaccine. It was an outright lie, apparently he didn't feel he looked enough of a gobs
te the first time.
What I find most frustrating is it's the same repeatedly critical thinking failure here. You see it from those who believing in god, to ghosts, and in this case believing a vaccine is dangerous. The repeated logic failure in believing that because you cannot prove something doesn't exist, that is must therefore exist.
When it's not profoundly arrogant to do so, or when showing my children the failure of this failure of thinking, I hold up and empty hand and I ask them how do I prove I don't have an apple? Children understand this, it is so obvious, that "burden of proof", falls on the person making a claim, the absence of evidence, is not, in itself, evidence of anything.
Yet here we are. People will die because our elected leaders, and adults refusing a vaccine which could save lives, do not understand that this applies equally to risks of blood clots, over 65s being dosed, pregnant women and children being vaccinated, long term health issues, and all the other bullst that will undoubtedly follow.
Without any signs of these things, we cannot prove there is no risk to any of these groups, no more than we can prove there is no apple in an empty hand.
te the first time.What I find most frustrating is it's the same repeatedly critical thinking failure here. You see it from those who believing in god, to ghosts, and in this case believing a vaccine is dangerous. The repeated logic failure in believing that because you cannot prove something doesn't exist, that is must therefore exist.
When it's not profoundly arrogant to do so, or when showing my children the failure of this failure of thinking, I hold up and empty hand and I ask them how do I prove I don't have an apple? Children understand this, it is so obvious, that "burden of proof", falls on the person making a claim, the absence of evidence, is not, in itself, evidence of anything.
Yet here we are. People will die because our elected leaders, and adults refusing a vaccine which could save lives, do not understand that this applies equally to risks of blood clots, over 65s being dosed, pregnant women and children being vaccinated, long term health issues, and all the other bulls
t that will undoubtedly follow. Without any signs of these things, we cannot prove there is no risk to any of these groups, no more than we can prove there is no apple in an empty hand.
Castrol for a knave said:
Pretty much nailed by David Spiegelhalter
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar...
The French seems to have an unhealthy infatuation with alternative medicine. I wonder if their use of homeopaths and other quacks has guided public opinion (and politics) on the vaccine. I can't say if it the same in other European countries, but the woo may be strong in some .....
I suspect it is politics, or even corporate pressure against the cheaper competitor, but it’s not just French woo is it?https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar...
The French seems to have an unhealthy infatuation with alternative medicine. I wonder if their use of homeopaths and other quacks has guided public opinion (and politics) on the vaccine. I can't say if it the same in other European countries, but the woo may be strong in some .....
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/merkels-gover...
Prof Prolapse said:
Emmanuel Macron is an idiot and quite possibly a liar. He referred to the AZ vaccine as "quasi-ineffective" as he stopped the roll out despite no evidence. Then he reversed the decision, then it's proven to be about 81% effective in reducing hospital admissions in the over 80s. I can't find the quote, but I'm sure he even said in light of this recent decision that the French were, "following the science", even though the EMA themselves said to continue to administer the vaccine. It was an outright lie, apparently he didn't feel he looked enough of a gobste the first time.
What I find most frustrating is it's the same repeatedly critical thinking failure here. You see it from those who believing in god, to ghosts, and in this case believing a vaccine is dangerous. The repeated logic failure in believing that because you cannot prove something doesn't exist, that is must therefore exist.
When it's not profoundly arrogant to do so, or when showing my children the failure of this failure of thinking, I hold up and empty hand and I ask them how do I prove I don't have an apple? Children understand this, it is so obvious, that "burden of proof", falls on the person making a claim, the absence of evidence, is not, in itself, evidence of anything.
Yet here we are. People will die because our elected leaders, and adults refusing a vaccine which could save lives, do not understand that this applies equally to risks of blood clots, over 65s being dosed, pregnant women and children being vaccinated, long term health issues, and all the other bullst that will undoubtedly follow.
Without any signs of these things, we cannot prove there is no risk to any of these groups, no more than we can prove there is no apple in an empty hand.
It’s certainly a brilliant stalling tactic to use to cover up the slow speed of the EU vaccine rollout. te the first time.What I find most frustrating is it's the same repeatedly critical thinking failure here. You see it from those who believing in god, to ghosts, and in this case believing a vaccine is dangerous. The repeated logic failure in believing that because you cannot prove something doesn't exist, that is must therefore exist.
When it's not profoundly arrogant to do so, or when showing my children the failure of this failure of thinking, I hold up and empty hand and I ask them how do I prove I don't have an apple? Children understand this, it is so obvious, that "burden of proof", falls on the person making a claim, the absence of evidence, is not, in itself, evidence of anything.
Yet here we are. People will die because our elected leaders, and adults refusing a vaccine which could save lives, do not understand that this applies equally to risks of blood clots, over 65s being dosed, pregnant women and children being vaccinated, long term health issues, and all the other bulls
t that will undoubtedly follow. Without any signs of these things, we cannot prove there is no risk to any of these groups, no more than we can prove there is no apple in an empty hand.
Prof Prolapse said:
Emmanuel Macron is an idiot and quite possibly a liar. He referred to the AZ vaccine as "quasi-ineffective" as he stopped the roll out despite no evidence. Then he reversed the decision, then it's proven to be about 81% effective in reducing hospital admissions in the over 80s. I can't find the quote, but I'm sure he even said in light of this recent decision that the French were, "following the science", even though the EMA themselves said to continue to administer the vaccine. It was an outright lie, apparently he didn't feel he looked enough of a gobste the first time.
What I find most frustrating is it's the same repeatedly critical thinking failure here. You see it from those who believing in god, to ghosts, and in this case believing a vaccine is dangerous. The repeated logic failure in believing that because you cannot prove something doesn't exist, that is must therefore exist.
When it's not profoundly arrogant to do so, or when showing my children the failure of this failure of thinking, I hold up and empty hand and I ask them how do I prove I don't have an apple? Children understand this, it is so obvious, that "burden of proof", falls on the person making a claim, the absence of evidence, is not, in itself, evidence of anything.
Yet here we are. People will die because our elected leaders, and adults refusing a vaccine which could save lives, do not understand that this applies equally to risks of blood clots, over 65s being dosed, pregnant women and children being vaccinated, long term health issues, and all the other bullst that will undoubtedly follow.
Without any signs of these things, we cannot prove there is no risk to any of these groups, no more than we can prove there is no apple in an empty hand.
Pathetic politicising of the vaccine, and the Oxford AZ specifically could go down as one of the biggest public health disasters of our life time. te the first time.What I find most frustrating is it's the same repeatedly critical thinking failure here. You see it from those who believing in god, to ghosts, and in this case believing a vaccine is dangerous. The repeated logic failure in believing that because you cannot prove something doesn't exist, that is must therefore exist.
When it's not profoundly arrogant to do so, or when showing my children the failure of this failure of thinking, I hold up and empty hand and I ask them how do I prove I don't have an apple? Children understand this, it is so obvious, that "burden of proof", falls on the person making a claim, the absence of evidence, is not, in itself, evidence of anything.
Yet here we are. People will die because our elected leaders, and adults refusing a vaccine which could save lives, do not understand that this applies equally to risks of blood clots, over 65s being dosed, pregnant women and children being vaccinated, long term health issues, and all the other bulls
t that will undoubtedly follow. Without any signs of these things, we cannot prove there is no risk to any of these groups, no more than we can prove there is no apple in an empty hand.
Such a shame as that euro road trip I want is looking more and more unlikely as they cock about with peoples safety
Castrol for a knave said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Castrol for a knave said:
The French seems to have an unhealthy infatuation with alternative medicine.
No such thing. There's medicine that works and medicine that doesn't. j'ai besoin de quelque chose pour une punaise abdominale
After I have was poisoned by the muscles by a restaurant in Deville. I lost 2 days of a weeks holiday and about a stone in weight.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Castrol for a knave said:
The French seems to have an unhealthy infatuation with alternative medicine.
No such thing. There's medicine that works and medicine that doesn't. We were told back in December that the vaccine was the way out of lockdown. Here in NI we had 0 deaths the last few days, 1 in the last week, 96 new cases on average and 10 patients in ICU but out MoH is still telling everyone it's on a knife edge and the situation is perilous, which is absolute nonsense.
Now it's clear the vaccine doesn't stop you getting or transmitting Covid it just depresses the symptoms, making extreme illness and hospital admissions less likely.
We were told once the elderly and vulnerable were vaccinated lockdown would be relaxed, that was a lie and the goalposts have changed.
Edited by sutoka on Sunday 21st March 12:20
Castrol for a knave said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Castrol for a knave said:
The French seems to have an unhealthy infatuation with alternative medicine.
No such thing. There's medicine that works and medicine that doesn't. sutoka said:
We were told once the elderly and vulnerable were vaccinated lockdown would be relaxed, that was a lie and the goalposts have changed.
Do you have the actual quote so that we can see it in context?Edited by sutoka on Sunday 21st March 12:20
Assuming that you do and it supports your assertion - what makes you think that it was a lie rather than an aspiration that has changed as more evidence came in?
paulguitar said:
sutoka said:
Now it's clear the vaccine doesn't stop you getting or transmitting Covid it just depresses the symptoms
Is this the case? I'd read that this was something still very much in the assessment stage.sutoka said:
I think the media are focusing too much on the side effects and not on the effectiveness of the vaccine.
We were told back in December that the vaccine was the way out of lockdown. Here in NI we had 0 deaths the last few days, 1 in the last week, 96 new cases on average and 10 patients in ICU but out MoH is still telling everyone it's on a knife edge and the situation is perilous, which is absolute nonsense.
Now it's clear the vaccine doesn't stop you getting or transmitting Covid it just depresses the symptoms, making extreme illness and hospital admissions less likely.
We were told once the elderly and vulnerable were vaccinated lockdown would be relaxed, that was a lie and the goalposts have changed.
You have leapt from drawing a bizarre conclusion from the stats to link it wrongly to something else you’ve pulled out of thin air. We were told back in December that the vaccine was the way out of lockdown. Here in NI we had 0 deaths the last few days, 1 in the last week, 96 new cases on average and 10 patients in ICU but out MoH is still telling everyone it's on a knife edge and the situation is perilous, which is absolute nonsense.
Now it's clear the vaccine doesn't stop you getting or transmitting Covid it just depresses the symptoms, making extreme illness and hospital admissions less likely.
We were told once the elderly and vulnerable were vaccinated lockdown would be relaxed, that was a lie and the goalposts have changed.
Edited by sutoka on Sunday 21st March 12:20
9/10 for fringe views, can you go a step further and link it all to condensate trails for a Full House?
I had my AZ vaccine Yesterday.
I can confirm I am still very much alive and side effects were minimal. Depending on how you measure it, by next week I could have 80% less chance of contracting the illness. Assume the EU stops fking around by June I'll have my next dose and be entirely immune, with a good chance of resistance to variants.
So, no long COVID for me, no days off work, I will have a significantly lower chance of infecting others, and even if my entire family gets sick at once I can care for them.
Why you wouldn't want any of that is beyond me.
The good news is, if you don't want you vaccine, someone else will snap it up and protect themselves.
I can confirm I am still very much alive and side effects were minimal. Depending on how you measure it, by next week I could have 80% less chance of contracting the illness. Assume the EU stops f
king around by June I'll have my next dose and be entirely immune, with a good chance of resistance to variants.So, no long COVID for me, no days off work, I will have a significantly lower chance of infecting others, and even if my entire family gets sick at once I can care for them.
Why you wouldn't want any of that is beyond me.
The good news is, if you don't want you vaccine, someone else will snap it up and protect themselves.
Prof Prolapse said:
I had my AZ vaccine Yesterday.
I can confirm I am still very much alive and side effects were minimal. Depending on how you measure it, by next week I could have 80% less chance of contracting the illness. Assume the EU stops fking around by June I'll have my next dose and be entirely immune, with a good chance of resistance to variants.
So, no long COVID for me, no days off work, I will have a significantly lower chance of infecting others, and even if my entire family gets sick at once I can care for them.
Why you wouldn't want any of that is beyond me.
The good news is, if you don't want you vaccine, someone else will snap it up and protect themselves.
I can confirm I am still very much alive and side effects were minimal. Depending on how you measure it, by next week I could have 80% less chance of contracting the illness. Assume the EU stops f
king around by June I'll have my next dose and be entirely immune, with a good chance of resistance to variants.So, no long COVID for me, no days off work, I will have a significantly lower chance of infecting others, and even if my entire family gets sick at once I can care for them.
Why you wouldn't want any of that is beyond me.
The good news is, if you don't want you vaccine, someone else will snap it up and protect themselves.
Prof Prolapse said:
I had my AZ vaccine Yesterday.
I can confirm I am still very much alive and side effects were minimal. Depending on how you measure it, by next week I could have 80% less chance of contracting the illness. Assume the EU stops fking around by June I'll have my next dose and be entirely immune, with a good chance of resistance to variants.
So, no long COVID for me, no days off work, I will have a significantly lower chance of infecting others, and even if my entire family gets sick at once I can care for them.
Why you wouldn't want any of that is beyond me.
The good news is, if you don't want you vaccine, someone else will snap it up and protect themselves.
My mate on Facebook would tell you that in 6 months you will die from the vaccine, or it will cause your immune system to crumble. You see he is a "critical thinker" and you and I are sheeple believing the main stream media. Its all lies man, dont you know. Wake up. He gets his facts from people on the internet, they dont have shares in Pfizer, they are Drs though, Allegedly I can confirm I am still very much alive and side effects were minimal. Depending on how you measure it, by next week I could have 80% less chance of contracting the illness. Assume the EU stops f
king around by June I'll have my next dose and be entirely immune, with a good chance of resistance to variants.So, no long COVID for me, no days off work, I will have a significantly lower chance of infecting others, and even if my entire family gets sick at once I can care for them.
Why you wouldn't want any of that is beyond me.
The good news is, if you don't want you vaccine, someone else will snap it up and protect themselves.
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