Does anyone know an Anti Covid vaxxer?
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Harrison Bergeron said:
In a similar vein we’ve had few to no deaths in the 0-44 bracket in this country. Can we not just admit vaccinating that age group is pointless as there is evidence ......
It's about more than deaths. Mrs. Guitar is doing research in NYC relating to long-term post-covid cognitive issues. It's way more common and way more significant than is comfortable.paulguitar said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
In a similar vein we’ve had few to no deaths in the 0-44 bracket in this country. Can we not just admit vaccinating that age group is pointless as there is evidence ......
It's about more than deaths. Mrs. Guitar is doing research in NYC relating to long-term post-covid cognitive issues. It's way more common and way more significant than is comfortable.Harrison Bergeron said:
paulguitar said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
In a similar vein we’ve had few to no deaths in the 0-44 bracket in this country. Can we not just admit vaccinating that age group is pointless as there is evidence ......
It's about more than deaths. Mrs. Guitar is doing research in NYC relating to long-term post-covid cognitive issues. It's way more common and way more significant than is comfortable.Probably not, as everything is only about Covid now and not the affects of Covid policy!
Harrison Bergeron said:
In a similar vein we’ve had few to no deaths in the 0-44 bracket in this country. Can we not just admit vaccinating that age group is pointless as there is evidence ......
It isn't quite that straightforward though is it. Vaccine supposedly significantly reduces risk of transmission. If those 0-44yo people get it, don't die (may get long term symptoms....) then pass it on, then someone else may die. If 0-44yo gets vaccinated, chance of long term symptoms decreases and chance of then passing it on decreases and risk of someone else dying drops too.I know only a few who aren't getting it. They are getting it because they feel they don't need to, which is fair enough. I am a healthcare worker, only 32yo, was a bit late telling my GP I was in healthcare but had my second AZ jab yesterday, I was fortunate to now have ANY side effects from the first jab and I seem to be absolutely fine again today.
Ashfordian said:
I wonder if she is also taking into account in her research the health aspects of the last year of the fear porn and its affects on peoples physical and mental health.
Probably not, as everything is only about Covid now and not the affects of Covid policy!
No, she only studies the cognitive effects of the disease itself. She's doing this at a hospital in Brooklyn.Probably not, as everything is only about Covid now and not the affects of Covid policy!
paulguitar said:
Ashfordian said:
I wonder if she is also taking into account in her research the health aspects of the last year of the fear porn and its affects on peoples physical and mental health.
Probably not, as everything is only about Covid now and not the affects of Covid policy!
No, she only studies the cognitive effects of the disease itself. She's doing this at a hospital in Brooklyn.Probably not, as everything is only about Covid now and not the affects of Covid policy!
https://www.christianevidence.net/2020/04/coronavi...
Some comedy gold in here. Wuhan lab, Bill Gates, 5G the lot. Written by people who believe in sky pixies.
Some comedy gold in here. Wuhan lab, Bill Gates, 5G the lot. Written by people who believe in sky pixies.
Scabutz said:
https://www.christianevidence.net/2020/04/coronavi...
Some comedy gold in here. Wuhan lab, Bill Gates, 5G the lot. Written by people who believe in sky pixies.
Almost every statement fact checks as false...Some comedy gold in here. Wuhan lab, Bill Gates, 5G the lot. Written by people who believe in sky pixies.
V6 Pushfit said:
Scabutz said:
https://www.christianevidence.net/2020/04/coronavi...
Some comedy gold in here. Wuhan lab, Bill Gates, 5G the lot. Written by people who believe in sky pixies.
Almost every statement fact checks as false...Some comedy gold in here. Wuhan lab, Bill Gates, 5G the lot. Written by people who believe in sky pixies.
paulguitar said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
In a similar vein we’ve had few to no deaths in the 0-44 bracket in this country. Can we not just admit vaccinating that age group is pointless as there is evidence ......
It's about more than deaths. Mrs. Guitar is doing research in NYC relating to long-term post-covid cognitive issues. It's way more common and way more significant than is comfortable.smn159 said:
"Cruise ships and airplanes being radiated by 5G and WiFi satellites from outer space"
We have friends who aren’t having the vax, and are still in Defcon 1 Lockdown. They will probably reappear in 20 years time like the Jap soldiers after WW2 not believing the war is over, and they’ll need David Icke to tell them it’s all ok now.
Mad
I had a few friends back home in Essex who are in their early 40s who were of the above view, they work in manual labour jobs and strong as an ox, one chap 42 caught it early this year and only 3 days on a ventilator saved his life, they all got the vaccine as soon as it was available to them.
I kind of get both sides of the argument from a point of view of 'well Im young fit and healthy I dont need the vaccine' and thats their absolute right, nobody can force anyone to have a drug injected to them. But its when that argument is just window dressing for the real reason is because they sit in an online echo chamber of conspiracy theorists.
Quite a few people who are adamant about not taking it are out and out tin foil hat wearers, 5g, wifi, flat earth, didnt land on the moon, space isnt real all that stuff. There is a hardcore group who psychologically are stuck in this place that makes them feel superior.
I kind of get both sides of the argument from a point of view of 'well Im young fit and healthy I dont need the vaccine' and thats their absolute right, nobody can force anyone to have a drug injected to them. But its when that argument is just window dressing for the real reason is because they sit in an online echo chamber of conspiracy theorists.
Quite a few people who are adamant about not taking it are out and out tin foil hat wearers, 5g, wifi, flat earth, didnt land on the moon, space isnt real all that stuff. There is a hardcore group who psychologically are stuck in this place that makes them feel superior.
Of a circle of nine people I know to have been vaccinated, one wishes that she hadn't; hospitalised for three weeks at death's door, and still weak after two months. One person out of nine nearly killed by it is far worse that the nobody whom I know who has been anything beyond slightly under the weather as a result of covid.
I happily have a well proven influenza vaccine each year, on account of my age, but would never consider any vaccine or other drug which has been rushed to market without proper clinical studies of short, medium and long term effects, and especially not one of which the manufactures had been absolved of any liability in advance.
I happily have a well proven influenza vaccine each year, on account of my age, but would never consider any vaccine or other drug which has been rushed to market without proper clinical studies of short, medium and long term effects, and especially not one of which the manufactures had been absolved of any liability in advance.
Sahjahd said:
Of a circle of nine people I know to have been vaccinated, one wishes that she hadn't; hospitalised for three weeks at death's door, and still weak after two months. One person out of nine nearly killed by it is far worse that the nobody whom I know who has been anything beyond slightly under the weather as a result of covid.
I happily have a well proven influenza vaccine each year, on account of my age, but would never consider any vaccine or other drug which has been rushed to market without proper clinical studies of short, medium and long term effects, and especially not one of which the manufactures had been absolved of any liability in advance.
Did this actually happen as a result of the vaccine? I happily have a well proven influenza vaccine each year, on account of my age, but would never consider any vaccine or other drug which has been rushed to market without proper clinical studies of short, medium and long term effects, and especially not one of which the manufactures had been absolved of any liability in advance.
If so its unusual as I know probably 100 that gave had the vaccine with no effect whatsoever against 4 that have died of Covid.
Sahjahd said:
Of a circle of nine people I know to have been vaccinated, one wishes that she hadn't; hospitalised for three weeks at death's door, and still weak after two months.
Of a circle of 15 friends and family I can think of off the top of my head, nobody has had a severe reaction.Anecdote != data
Here's data - more than 35 million people have had at least one jab, and we didn't have 4 million hospitalised as a result.
otolith said:
Sahjahd said:
Of a circle of nine people I know to have been vaccinated, one wishes that she hadn't; hospitalised for three weeks at death's door, and still weak after two months.
Of a circle of 15 friends and family I can think of off the top of my head, nobody has had a severe reaction.Anecdote != data
Here's data - more than 35 million people have had at least one jab, and we didn't have 4 million hospitalised as a result.
Sahjahd said:
Of a circle of nine people I know to have been vaccinated, one wishes that she hadn't; hospitalised for three weeks at death's door, and still weak after two months. One person out of nine nearly killed by it is far worse that the nobody whom I know who has been anything beyond slightly under the weather as a result of covid.
I happily have a well proven influenza vaccine each year, on account of my age, but would never consider any vaccine or other drug which has been rushed to market without proper clinical studies of short, medium and long term effects, and especially not one of which the manufactures had been absolved of any liability in advance.
It's a shame about your friend, did the medics conclude it was certainly the vaccine and report it as such?I happily have a well proven influenza vaccine each year, on account of my age, but would never consider any vaccine or other drug which has been rushed to market without proper clinical studies of short, medium and long term effects, and especially not one of which the manufactures had been absolved of any liability in advance.
There is much more research on COVID-19 vaccines than annual flu vaccines. No annual vaccine can have "long term follow up" prior to it's marketing use, that would be an oxymoron.
It is not true that any manufacturer is absolved of any liability. They are liable for the products they produce, but all medicines have side effects, and all claims must be proven.
Sahjahd said:
Of a circle of nine people I know to have been vaccinated, one wishes that she hadn't; hospitalised for three weeks at death's door, and still weak after two months. One person out of nine nearly killed by it is far worse that the nobody whom I know who has been anything beyond slightly under the weather as a result of covid.
I happily have a well proven influenza vaccine each year, on account of my age, but would never consider any vaccine or other drug which has been rushed to market without proper clinical studies of short, medium and long term effects, and especially not one of which the manufactures had been absolved of any liability in advance.
I think here is a classic example of what drives the fear around it. We have been developing vaccines for COVID variants for decades, your flu jab is one of them. In fact your flu jab similarly is updated regularly, the one you got last year is most likely not the same as the one you got this year. I happily have a well proven influenza vaccine each year, on account of my age, but would never consider any vaccine or other drug which has been rushed to market without proper clinical studies of short, medium and long term effects, and especially not one of which the manufactures had been absolved of any liability in advance.
I would also be interested in your sources of data around 1 in 9 people almost dying from vaccines whilst COVID 19 only causes people to feel under the weather instead of dying?
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