Becoming deliberately less bulky in middle age.
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anonymous said:
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Take a look at this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC63635...
If you speak to nutritionists and dieticians that deal with gut disorders, they usually hold the view that artificial sweeteners are bad for gut health. Stevia is generally the only recommended non-sugar sweetener, but that has a bitter aftertaste.
I'll continue having sugar free juice. Infact majority of juice now has sugar and sweetners since the sugar tax. The ones who scream its bad for you sit puffing on a fag at the same time while eating potnoodles laced with shoe die. You'll find their is more things worse for you in actual food than aspartame.
ORD said:
Note to self - stop downing bottles of ketchup.
I've not been able to enjoy a pork pie since I saw a video trying to demonstrate the amount of fat in them. It was a bloke taking every second bite out of a block of lard. It was about 20 years ago and I think about it every time I see a pork pie.Louis Balfour said:
they usually hold the view that artificial sweeteners are bad for gut health.
It's a 'view'. In the case of aspartame it's incorrect.Effects of Sweeteners on the Gut Microbiota: A Review of Experimental Studies and Clinical Trials (2019)
"It is hard to understand how aspartame influences the gut microbiota because this NNS is rapidly hydrolyzed in the small intestine. In fact, even with the ingestion of very high doses of aspartame (>200 mg/kg), no aspartame is found in the blood because of its rapid breakdown (29)."
Can we move on... ?
popeyewhite said:
It's a 'view'. In the case of aspartame it's incorrect.
Effects of Sweeteners on the Gut Microbiota: A Review of Experimental Studies and Clinical Trials (2019)
"It is hard to understand how aspartame influences the gut microbiota because this NNS is rapidly hydrolyzed in the small intestine. In fact, even with the ingestion of very high doses of aspartame (>200 mg/kg), no aspartame is found in the blood because of its rapid breakdown (29)."
Can we move on... ?
Can I ask what your interest is? To go to the lengths of reading the studies.Effects of Sweeteners on the Gut Microbiota: A Review of Experimental Studies and Clinical Trials (2019)
"It is hard to understand how aspartame influences the gut microbiota because this NNS is rapidly hydrolyzed in the small intestine. In fact, even with the ingestion of very high doses of aspartame (>200 mg/kg), no aspartame is found in the blood because of its rapid breakdown (29)."
Can we move on... ?
Personal health? Or do you have work/have interests in sonething related to sweetners?
Eat a mixed diet of food of minimal processing, with plenty of different vegetables. Go easy on the starchy and sugary stuff. Don't eat too much -no need for anything extreme or a special diet.
Drink plenty of water, go easy on the booze and avoid the fizzy drinks.
There's no need to become skeletal or eat a boring diet.
Move around (and move your joints in different ways) whenever you get the chance. You become better/adapted at what you do/train for.
Keep your body moving (and able to move) in different ways. Unless you are competing at a high level, all-round capability seems more important than elite specialisation, especially as you get older. There is no need for obsession. Being able to do a day of manual work throughout your life, into old age, is a good indicator of general conditioning.
This is a good summary of useful skills, although it doesnt't need a special name, it's just allowing your body to do what it is designed to:
Training/activity wise, this seems like a sensible baseline, that individuals can tweek to suit their own needs:
Drink plenty of water, go easy on the booze and avoid the fizzy drinks.
There's no need to become skeletal or eat a boring diet.
Move around (and move your joints in different ways) whenever you get the chance. You become better/adapted at what you do/train for.
Keep your body moving (and able to move) in different ways. Unless you are competing at a high level, all-round capability seems more important than elite specialisation, especially as you get older. There is no need for obsession. Being able to do a day of manual work throughout your life, into old age, is a good indicator of general conditioning.
This is a good summary of useful skills, although it doesnt't need a special name, it's just allowing your body to do what it is designed to:
Training/activity wise, this seems like a sensible baseline, that individuals can tweek to suit their own needs:
popeyewhite said:
hyphen said:
Can I ask what your interest is? To go to the lengths of reading the studies.
Quick Google, that's all. First page.hyphen said:
Personal health? Or do you have work/have interests in sonething related to sweetners?
Personal health: I have aspartame in my morning coffee. 
popeyewhite said:
Louis Balfour said:
Don't come running to me when your colon falls out of your arse.
Look, I agree it's filthy stuff but I think it's better than sugar if you have a sweet tooth like me 
Incidentally, one symptom of gut issues is having a sweet tooth...
I suspect that in years to come there will be more research into artificial sweeteners and they will be discovered to be mostly harmful. I would have a bet with you, but I would worry that when I came to collect you'd be long dead.
I’d bet that high consumption of artificial sweeteners contributes towards type 2 diabetes by creating insulin resistance.
Corporate backed food science, and public policy creation must be up there as one of the greatest scandals.
But I suppose emancipation from farming has enabled us strange old men to argue at unimaginable distances about sweeteners on an unrelated thread on an unrelated forum so it’s a gift really.
Corporate backed food science, and public policy creation must be up there as one of the greatest scandals.
But I suppose emancipation from farming has enabled us strange old men to argue at unimaginable distances about sweeteners on an unrelated thread on an unrelated forum so it’s a gift really.
hotchy said:
I'll continue having sugar free juice. Infact majority of juice now has sugar and sweetners since the sugar tax. The ones who scream its bad for you sit puffing on a fag at the same time while eating potnoodles laced with shoe die. You'll find their is more things worse for you in actual food than aspartame.
Fruit juice has sugar, otherwise it's not fruit juice.Louis Balfour said:
I suspect that in years to come there will be more research into artificial sweeteners and they will be discovered to be mostly harmful. I would have a bet with you, but I would worry that when I came to collect you'd be long dead.
I would bet you, many hundreds of pounds, this never happens.I read most of that review you posted. Even if there is an adverse effect of some sweeteners (see what Popeye said) on some gut flora, the effects must be tiny. The reason, again, fourth time saying it, is the enormous dosing of people with no ill effect. So the idea of devoting any thought to this, given the raft of harmful substances we expose our bodies to several times a day, with well documented and proven toxicity, is absolutely mental.
It's not just a question of "if it's true sweeteners cause some impact or not", it's a matter of, "even if it is true, it doesn't actually matter".
Edited by Prof Prolapse on Thursday 25th March 12:34
pistonheadforum said:
If the weight is mainly lost in the kitchen rather than the gym (through healthy eating) what is a reasonable amount to be loosing per week whilst still feeling fine?
1Kg per week approximately - it depends on how much you currently weigh, but thats a good target Gassing Station | Health Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff