Becoming deliberately less bulky in middle age.

Becoming deliberately less bulky in middle age.

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mcelliott

8,666 posts

181 months

Thursday 25th March 2021
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anonymous said:
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You also listed drinking huge amounts of orange juice, go and read the label on that!

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Thursday 25th March 2021
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Burrow01 said:
1Kg per week approximately - it depends on how much you currently weigh, but thats a good target
Or 0.5-1% bodyweight, which ends up pretty similar to 1kg.

CheesecakeRunner

3,805 posts

91 months

Thursday 25th March 2021
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pistonheadforum said:
If the weight is mainly lost in the kitchen rather than the gym (through healthy eating) what is a reasonable amount to be loosing per week whilst still feeling fine?
1-2lbs a week. Achieve by cutting 3500-5000 calories across the week.

Anonymous-poster

12,241 posts

206 months

Thursday 25th March 2021
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CheesecakeRunner said:
pistonheadforum said:
If the weight is mainly lost in the kitchen rather than the gym (through healthy eating) what is a reasonable amount to be loosing per week whilst still feeling fine?
1-2lbs a week. Achieve by cutting 3500-5000 calories across the week.
Achieved by cutting 3500-7000 calories below maintenance across the week.

jdw100

4,119 posts

164 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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popeyewhite said:
Look, I agree it's filthy stuff but I think it's better than sugar if you have a sweet tooth like me smile
What about stevia?

Louis Balfour

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26,287 posts

222 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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jdw100 said:
popeyewhite said:
Look, I agree it's filthy stuff but I think it's better than sugar if you have a sweet tooth like me smile
What about stevia?
It has a bitter after-taste. It's God's punishment for people with a sweet tooth.

CheesecakeRunner

3,805 posts

91 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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Anonymous-poster said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
pistonheadforum said:
If the weight is mainly lost in the kitchen rather than the gym (through healthy eating) what is a reasonable amount to be loosing per week whilst still feeling fine?
1-2lbs a week. Achieve by cutting 3500-5000 calories across the week.
Achieved by cutting 3500-7000 calories below maintenance across the week.
Yes, that’s what I meant. I felt ‘below maintenance’ went without saying. I specifically didn’t say exactly 7000 even though that’s technically the same amount of calories in 2lbs of fat, because calorie counting is never that accurate.

Pit Pony

8,585 posts

121 months

Saturday 27th March 2021
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ORD said:
Exercise is a bad way to get lean, in my view. It’s massively easier to not eat 500 calories than to burn them.
Your metabolism increases with regular exercise, so those 1500 calories you are eating instead of 2000 will be like eating only 1200 even on the days you don't exercise.
If you just diet, your metabolism decreases so those 1500 calories are more like 1800 calories.
I've haven't done enough exercise recentty but have lost alot of weight, but find that any little extra snake causes my weight to jump up a couple of pounds the next day. Starting to increase my exercise, now my heart is stronger.

gregs656

10,887 posts

181 months

Saturday 27th March 2021
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Pit Pony said:
Your metabolism increases with regular exercise, so those 1500 calories you are eating instead of 2000 will be like eating only 1200 even on the days you don't exercise.
If you just diet, your metabolism decreases so those 1500 calories are more like 1800 calories.
I've haven't done enough exercise recentty but have lost alot of weight, but find that any little extra snake causes my weight to jump up a couple of pounds the next day. Starting to increase my exercise, now my heart is stronger.
Any evidence to support any of that?

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Saturday 27th March 2021
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gregs656 said:
Any evidence to support any of that?
Nope. It’s bro-science.

jontysafe

2,351 posts

178 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Only level that is true is more muscle burns more calories. Fat doesn't burn calories.

Otherwise it's going against the laws of the universe

didelydoo

5,528 posts

210 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Metabolic rate generally drops when dieting due to energy restrictions, but returns to base level when the restrictions are lifted.

Resistance training (though not so much cardio) and carrying more muscle mass can increase your metabolism, but marginally, and not to the degree it’ll be noticeable tbh.

In general we have can’t do much to speed up metabolism, but it’s easy to slow it down. We can however, make out bodies energy systems and nutrient partitioning ability more effective and efficient at creating energy via exercise.

Louis Balfour

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26,287 posts

222 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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didelydoo said:
Metabolic rate generally drops when dieting due to energy restrictions, but returns to base level when the restrictions are lifted.

Resistance training (though not so much cardio) and carrying more muscle mass can increase your metabolism, but marginally, and not to the degree it’ll be noticeable tbh.

In general we have can’t do much to speed up metabolism, but it’s easy to slow it down. We can however, make out bodies energy systems and nutrient partitioning ability more effective and efficient at creating energy via exercise.
This thread has drifted away from what I was banging on about in my OP. My fault, I probably wasn't awfully clear.

My query wasn't about staying lean in middle age, it was staying lean whilst being less muscly. Basically.

I would rather be 13 stone and lean than 14 stone and lean. But my body seems to want to be 14 stone. It is almost as though training when I was younger permanently changed the roadmap my body wants to follow when I train.




ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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I doubt you’re lean. There, somebody had to say it.

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
This thread has drifted away from what I was banging on about in my OP. My fault, I probably wasn't awfully clear.

My query wasn't about staying lean in middle age, it was staying lean whilst being less muscly. Basically.

I would rather be 13 stone and lean than 14 stone and lean. But my body seems to want to be 14 stone. It is almost as though training when I was younger permanently changed the roadmap my body wants to follow when I train.
Are you unusually heavily muscled?

A body is made up of water, bones, muscles, cartilage, collagen, fat etc. It's the same for everybody.

It seems unusual to have looked gaunt at 13st and 5ft 9.5


Louis Balfour

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26,287 posts

222 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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ORD said:
I doubt you’re lean. There, somebody had to say it.
Point to where I said I am.

But when I was training regularly, pre-COVID I was. And 14 stone was where my body tended to gravitate towards.

Louis Balfour

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26,287 posts

222 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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MC Bodge said:
Louis Balfour said:
This thread has drifted away from what I was banging on about in my OP. My fault, I probably wasn't awfully clear.

My query wasn't about staying lean in middle age, it was staying lean whilst being less muscly. Basically.

I would rather be 13 stone and lean than 14 stone and lean. But my body seems to want to be 14 stone. It is almost as though training when I was younger permanently changed the roadmap my body wants to follow when I train.
Are you unusually heavily muscled?

A body is made up of bones, muscles, cartilage, collagen, fat etc. It's the same for everybody.

It seems unusual to have looked gaunt at 13st and 5ft 9.5
Not really. I am in my mid 50s and you start to lose subcutaneous fat above mid-40s. At 13%bf I looked gaunt.


didelydoo

5,528 posts

210 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Your muscle mass will lessen with age, don’t actively try and get rid of it unless you have a good reason.

If you want rid of a stone of muscle- drop your protein, and don’t lift, and eat less. Good knows why you’d want to do that though.

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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didelydoo said:
Your muscle mass will lessen with age, don’t actively try and get rid of it unless you have a good reason.

If you want rid of a stone of muscle- drop your protein, and don’t lift, and eat less. Good knows why you’d want to do that though.
Indeed!

MC Bodge

21,628 posts

175 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Louis Balfour said:
Not really. I am in my mid 50s and you start to lose subcutaneous fat above mid-40s. At 13%bf I looked gaunt.
Where do you think that your weight is then?