30 somethings - are you going to vax?
Discussion
HustleRussell said:
I booked mine at the first available opportunity a couple of days ago.
I had reservations about it due to the developing blood clots situation but I don’t fundamentally distrust the science or motivation so ended up going for it.
A significant proportion (although probably not as much as half) of my friends have told me they won’t be getting the vaccine.
Just sitting in a vaccination centre after my first jab. I’m 31 and they gave me a Pfizer. I had reservations about it due to the developing blood clots situation but I don’t fundamentally distrust the science or motivation so ended up going for it.
A significant proportion (although probably not as much as half) of my friends have told me they won’t be getting the vaccine.
HustleRussell said:
HustleRussell said:
I booked mine at the first available opportunity a couple of days ago.
I had reservations about it due to the developing blood clots situation but I don’t fundamentally distrust the science or motivation so ended up going for it.
A significant proportion (although probably not as much as half) of my friends have told me they won’t be getting the vaccine.
Just sitting in a vaccination centre after my first jab. I’m 31 and they gave me a Pfizer. I had reservations about it due to the developing blood clots situation but I don’t fundamentally distrust the science or motivation so ended up going for it.
A significant proportion (although probably not as much as half) of my friends have told me they won’t be getting the vaccine.
superlightr said:
bonus question/thought -give a clue as whats in your mind will be the trigger point to allow the UK to return freedoms we had? Is it 0 deaths a day? or 100 deaths or 10000 deaths ? or is it zero cases? 1000 cases? or 100% vaccinated? Whats the winning point to you for when we should get back to normal?
Just to jump in to this, as I think this now is a really valid point of discussion. Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 1st June 17:31
Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 1st June 22:20
The (still early) real world indications suggest the effect of vaccinating the population has disrupted the link between hospitalisations and cases. Up until Feb or March this year, roughly 10% of cases resulted in severe enough disease to require the patient be hospitalised. I understand at the moment that that fraction has reduced to approximately 5%. The effect of the indian variant might change this, but is still not known.
So working backwards from what a tolerable and sustainable level of hospitalizations from Covid can be, should give a very ball park number of cases per day that could be deemed acceptable to relax the current restrictions. The way cases are rising at the moment is concerning to me, however it was explicitely expected based on the road map of restrictions being relaxed:
The uncertainty of this model seems to suggest numbers up to 50,000 cases per day is reasonably forseeable with the current road map. I don't have any idea if the associated 2,500 daily hospitalisations is sustainable in spring away from the standard winter pressures.
Right now we're still overperforming the modelled hospitalisations, and I'm sure all the clever people are watching the numbers in areas where Indian variant is dominating closely. I don't think there's a firm trigger point as you say, as there's inherently a lot of uncertainty in this. Right now it's a case of wait and see what the numbers do where the Indian variant it dominant in terms of cases and vaccinations.
The long and short of this is - get vaccinated as soon as you can. They work, and they are our way out of this. FWIW I'm 30. and had mine last week as part of the Valneva trial - no side effects at all.
Brave Fart said:
Please forgive the intrusion, but I would like to make an observation: it is precisely this "do as you're told by a higher authority" tone that makes some people decide to do the opposite. No doubt you're a charming person, but some people just don't like being lectured, or talked down to. It's counter-productive.
Can't we just accept that once all adults have been offered the vaccines, and made their choice, we've done all we can? I noted a rather sinister post earlier from Otolith claiming that any restrictions placed on those who decline the vaccine were acceptable; words fail me.
Great post. Put into words what i was struggling to pages ago.Can't we just accept that once all adults have been offered the vaccines, and made their choice, we've done all we can? I noted a rather sinister post earlier from Otolith claiming that any restrictions placed on those who decline the vaccine were acceptable; words fail me.
otolith said:
Brave Fart said:
I noted a rather sinister post earlier from Otolith claiming that any restrictions placed on those who decline the vaccine were acceptable; words fail me.
I didn't say they were acceptable. I said I don't care. Prof Prolapse said:
<edited for brevity>
I don't agree I'm talking down to anybody, and I'm certainly not making an argument from authority (or someone elses) either.
But you are though, are you not? You said: "The highest authority in medicine in this country has told you to take the vaccine". Perhaps you meant that said instruction should be ignored? Odd.I don't agree I'm talking down to anybody, and I'm certainly not making an argument from authority (or someone elses) either.
Anyway, my point was really just that telling people to do something because they're less clever than the "scientists" doesn't work. People see "scientists" like Shagger Ferguson and Susan "The Communist" Michie and they say: "Nope, they are hypocritical loons. I'm not listening to them."
As long as people aren’t listening to that prick Andrew Wakefield, then people should be free to make they’re own decisions.
However, having seen people that have been hit hard by Covid, and there’s no way anyone can be sure that they won’t get it, I can’t see any sense in not being vaccinated.
Unless it’s scientifically proven to have a downside, which it hasn’t as yet, why wouldn’t you?
However, having seen people that have been hit hard by Covid, and there’s no way anyone can be sure that they won’t get it, I can’t see any sense in not being vaccinated.
Unless it’s scientifically proven to have a downside, which it hasn’t as yet, why wouldn’t you?
Brave Fart said:
otolith said:
Brave Fart said:
I noted a rather sinister post earlier from Otolith claiming that any restrictions placed on those who decline the vaccine were acceptable; words fail me.
I didn't say they were acceptable. I said I don't care. 
inabox said:
Elatino1 said:
Zero Covid deaths in the UK yesterday. Quick, lets all get a pointless vaccinne for the greater good. 
Errr...Do you seriously not see any correlation between zero deaths and the nationwide vaccination scheme that's been running lately?
The fact that many people have had Covid and therfore developed immunity is likely just as much to do with the low numbers of deaths.
Would you vaccinate against another illness that is little to no risk? How many vaccines would you take?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MpEx43ESZo
Dr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
Dr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
Elatino1 said:
I think you're missing my point. No deaths = no risk. Why Vaccinate againat something that is not an issue.
Why do we vaccinate against mumps?Deaths in the UK average less than 1 a year, 2015 and 2016 had zero deaths.
Should we have stopped vaccinating for mumps from 2017 onwards?
superlightr said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MpEx43ESZo
Dr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
185 people in their 30’s died with covid in JanuaryDr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
Brave Fart said:
Prof Prolapse said:
<edited for brevity>
I don't agree I'm talking down to anybody, and I'm certainly not making an argument from authority (or someone elses) either.
But you are though, are you not? You said: "The highest authority in medicine in this country has told you to take the vaccine". Perhaps you meant that said instruction should be ignored? Odd.I don't agree I'm talking down to anybody, and I'm certainly not making an argument from authority (or someone elses) either.
Anyway, my point was really just that telling people to do something because they're less clever than the "scientists" doesn't work. People see "scientists" like Shagger Ferguson and Susan "The Communist" Michie and they say: "Nope, they are hypocritical loons. I'm not listening to them."
As I have said, with the exception of the raw data, the evidence and rationale is freely available. It's increasingly obvious from the glaring errors made that many dissenters are not sufficiently experienced or trained to interpret the case brought forward, so it makes sense to listen to those that are. Ignoring the evidence without any rational criticism of it, but then dismissing purely the basis of you don't like being told what to do, is just petulance.
If you think the evidence base for the vaccination programme is faulty, fine I'm honestly open to it, but show us or shut up. Going on about freedom of choice, stating incorrect facts, and going on as if you're living in some sort of dictatorship because you've been offered a vaccine just makes you look like a bloody idiot.
Edited by Prof Prolapse on Thursday 3rd June 10:05
djc206 said:
superlightr said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MpEx43ESZo
Dr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
185 people in their 30’s died with covid in JanuaryDr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
superlightr said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MpEx43ESZo
Dr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
It's clearly an absolute tragedy, but you're absolutely wrong that it's not being published. That incident made national press, and these incidents are reported to the regulators to continually monitor the safety of the vaccine. The advice from that continual regulation remains the same, it's still in your interests to take the vaccine. Dr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
Even his wife says, "We are in NO WAY anti-vaxxers and we fully support all vaccinations and we encourage everyone to still get their vaccine but to be Vac-Aware. 'The Wright Way".
There's no conspiracy here.
Prof Prolapse said:
superlightr said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MpEx43ESZo
Dr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
It's clearly an absolute tragedy, but you're absolutely wrong that it's not being published. That incident made national press, and these incidents are reported to the regulators to continually monitor the safety of the vaccine. The advice from that continual regulation remains the same, it's still in your interests to take the vaccine. Dr Stephen Wright died of sinus cerebral venous thrombosis and thrombotic thrombocytopenia on Janurary 26th 2021 aged just 32, Heat wrenching, tragic, unnecessary.
what more needs to be said. If you are not at risk of Covid dont take the Jab. The deaths and illnesses of having the Vax is not being published. why not.
Even his wife says, "We are in NO WAY anti-vaxxers and we fully support all vaccinations and we encourage everyone to still get their vaccine but to be Vac-Aware. 'The Wright Way".
There's no conspiracy here.
Why take the vaccine risk?
The widow is foolish for not being angry over this and blinded by brainwashing/manipulation of the govt. which is criminal.
superlightr said:
If this 32 doctor had not had the vaccine he would not have died of the vaccine. If the had caught covid his had an effective zero risk of dying from Covid.
Why take the vaccine risk?
The widow is foolish for not being angry over this and blinded by brainwashing/manipulation of the govt. which is criminal.
You are doing something very silly with probability there.Why take the vaccine risk?
The widow is foolish for not being angry over this and blinded by brainwashing/manipulation of the govt. which is criminal.
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