30 somethings - are you going to vax?
Discussion
deebs said:
What's interesting is the OP asked if PH'ers in their 30s are planning on getting the vaccine/have had it already. What we've had is 11 pages of mostly people arguing if others should or shouldnt get it. No one asked, "do you think other people in their 30s should get it", or "as someone in your 30s , how do you justify your decision to get or not get it".
Alot of preaching going on. It's been the worst part of the pandemic. People just cant wait for an opportunity to tell someone else what they should be doing based on their own moral code.
I'm with you. This is one of my most successful threads - ever (might have already posted that...) Anyway, I just wanted opinions from folk in my age group. There appears to be lots of above 30's passing comment. Alot of preaching going on. It's been the worst part of the pandemic. People just cant wait for an opportunity to tell someone else what they should be doing based on their own moral code.
Another health visitor today and again a similar unexpected reply, no pressure to get the vaccine, comments that lots are and lots aren't. Where are all these people that aren't getting it?
Regarding our new born, no plans for their age group to be on the list for some time (not sure how she would know) but I can see the logic.
He's got two vaccinations coming up for 6 different things at week 8 and then again week 12.
Whats really odd, so many people have caught Covid, yet mrs RJWR and myself, both having worked all the way through, have avoided it completely. I like not being near people and not having folk up in your face.
Have I considered my parents... yes, they are both 60. They live in West Wales, I never see them. Me getting vaccinated won't help them in the short term.
Have I considered all the other oldies, yes, but then haven't the youngsters got so much to feel aggrieved about towards the baby boomers and generation X, I can't see protecting the masses of the old being high up on the list of priorities. Protecting ones own oldies becomes a selfishly different story.
I'm still unsure, so because of that, I'll not be getting the vaccine until at which point I am either forcibly made, or I have a change of heart
MrBrightSi said:
Thanks for the response. No i don't think it's a binary, i just don't like any of this coercion, i don't like the Hyacinth bucket behaviour from certain posters.
I'm still deciding whether to have it but i won't have it because of calls to be "Selfless" which are all hollow to me, i really think people aren't going to convince anyone by that kind of "for the greater good" argument. I'll decide when it's not driven by making travel easier than the non-vaxxed, or jobs not being open to people like me who are still on the fence, join us or suffer for your own good stuff.
If you want to see more of the reason i'm steering well clear, go look at certain posts on the NP+E thread, i'm in no camp but certain posters who are browbeating, insensitve "I'm alright jack" really aren't going to change my mind and are making me resistive out of spite, because if that's the side you "join" by having the vaccine, i'll stay out of it thanks.
If I really wanted to throw a spanner in the works, I'd say, if the old wanted to be selfless, then they should catch covid and die and the more our generation will prosper. It's kind of like paying us back for the generational issues of concentrated wealth and good living. You see, the greater good can be applied both ends. Go on young man, go get vaccinated so us oldies can enjoy our money and golf.I'm still deciding whether to have it but i won't have it because of calls to be "Selfless" which are all hollow to me, i really think people aren't going to convince anyone by that kind of "for the greater good" argument. I'll decide when it's not driven by making travel easier than the non-vaxxed, or jobs not being open to people like me who are still on the fence, join us or suffer for your own good stuff.
If you want to see more of the reason i'm steering well clear, go look at certain posts on the NP+E thread, i'm in no camp but certain posters who are browbeating, insensitve "I'm alright jack" really aren't going to change my mind and are making me resistive out of spite, because if that's the side you "join" by having the vaccine, i'll stay out of it thanks.
Utilitarianism in general does not work for anyone but those directly benefiting.
inabox said:
Elatino1 said:
Zero Covid deaths in the UK yesterday. Quick, lets all get a pointless vaccinne for the greater good. 
Errr...Do you seriously not see any correlation between zero deaths and the nationwide vaccination scheme that's been running lately?
The fact that many people have had Covid and therfore developed immunity is likely just as much to do with the low numbers of deaths.
Would you vaccinate against another illness that is little to no risk? How many vaccines would you take?
So I had the jab. I turned up at 8am and the queue was huge, but it went in a few minutes.
Left arm has a little soreness at the moment.
Feedback from the jab, the doctor zipped through the questions about blood clots, allergies etc. I answered no to all as I'm generally not allergic etc, but can't always be sure.
Feel fairly tired. If I lift my left arm, it's difficult to get full movement.
Left arm has a little soreness at the moment.
Feedback from the jab, the doctor zipped through the questions about blood clots, allergies etc. I answered no to all as I'm generally not allergic etc, but can't always be sure.
Feel fairly tired. If I lift my left arm, it's difficult to get full movement.
47, healthy, not had the vax.
I would rather take my chances with Covid than have a completely untested and rushed vaccine.
If people like me mean that you can't go on holiday this year, then cry me a river.
I had a bad cold a month ago which I just put down to a cold, but it went in a week. Reading about the Symptoms of the Delta variant it would appear I had every single one.
https://news.sky.com/story/delta-variant-symptoms-...
Oh well
I would rather take my chances with Covid than have a completely untested and rushed vaccine.
If people like me mean that you can't go on holiday this year, then cry me a river.
I had a bad cold a month ago which I just put down to a cold, but it went in a week. Reading about the Symptoms of the Delta variant it would appear I had every single one.
https://news.sky.com/story/delta-variant-symptoms-...
Oh well
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 24th June 15:20
davey83 said:
superlightr said:
you just dont get it do you?
Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
Its been done before a recurrent theme in Nazi antisemitic propaganda was that Jews spread diseases. A sure fire way to turn people against each other. The same is taking shape now. New variants are being spread by the un-vaccinated, to justify force medication or loose your job. Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/...
Nobody thinks unvaccinated people spread disease as we know that you can spread the virus even if you are vaccinated but unvaccinated people may end up in hospital on a ventilator adding to the daily figures and stopping us from getting back to normal.
Get the vax if you haven't. If there are huge side effects then we will all suffer from them and die together but if there aren't then we can all drink mojitos on the beach.
superlightr said:
It is now coercion and thats the rub isnt it - to silence others, to control them.
Nope I wont be silent when I see injustice and immoral things occur. You are free to cross the road and not help if you want - bit of a coward but your not going to tell me to be silent.
You may one day wake up and see the the real danger in what the govt are doing to the population.
You are free to sit there fretting about this great conspiracy. You protest in the streets and fight the government if you want. No one is stopping you.Nope I wont be silent when I see injustice and immoral things occur. You are free to cross the road and not help if you want - bit of a coward but your not going to tell me to be silent.
You may one day wake up and see the the real danger in what the govt are doing to the population.
Others, like me, have had the vaccine, forgotten about it, are getting on with life, and looking forward to the future. The whole ‘vaccine thing’ just isn’t a feature of our daily lives. 80-90% of people I know, young and old, have had it now, and have moved on to chatting about other stuff. It’s done and dusted.
We view it as just another vaccination alongside the others we have already had against 15 other illnesses/diseases/viruses.
The only time I even think about it is when I end up on PH in threads like this, which I sometimes regret getting involved in.
sevensfun said:
Except it isn’t
Boosters next and still restrictions like masks and travel dragging on and on and on...
I’m sure there will be boosters, the same as there are annual flu shots for people.Boosters next and still restrictions like masks and travel dragging on and on and on...
It is in no ones interest, especially not the government, to prolong the mandating of masks, restrictions, and travel restrictions. It isn’t paying the bills.
The government need us all back out there working and playing in order for the economy to begin to recover.
I accept that these restrictions are an attempt to keep as many people out of hospital as possible, until pretty much everyone is vaccinated and hospital numbers fall.
I have no doubt that restrictions and masks will disappear in a few months. I’m not concerned in the slightest.
I'm in my 30's and I've had it, my main motivation being to protect my girlfriend who has been suffering with long covid since december and is still being absolutely wiped out by it. My job puts me in contact with a huge amount of different people and there is no way I would risk bringing it back home and giving it to her again so its a no brainer to me to do everything I can to avoid it
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