30 somethings - are you going to vax?
Discussion
Captain Conrod said:
Captain Raymond Holt said:
I love a good, informed decision.
I look at the numbers of people dying and I see the people around me who have had covid.Why does it bother you so much. This vaccine is far too new to be so blasé about taking it
I’d maybe suggest that the numbers you’re seeing are obviously influenced by the heavy mitigation which has been in place for over a year.
Do note I’m not telling you to take the jab, just suggesting you should make an informed decision.
Captain Raymond Holt said:
Doesn’t bother me as such, it’s more intriguing.
I’d maybe suggest that the numbers you’re seeing are obviously influenced by the heavy mitigation which has been in place for over a year.
Do note I’m not telling you to take the jab, just suggesting you should make an informed decision.
Sorry I thought you were one of the "you must do as I do brigade". Yeah I keep an eye on the death toll not only in the UK but other countries too.I’d maybe suggest that the numbers you’re seeing are obviously influenced by the heavy mitigation which has been in place for over a year.
Do note I’m not telling you to take the jab, just suggesting you should make an informed decision.
Captain Conrod said:
Captain Raymond Holt said:
I love a good, informed decision.
I look at the numbers of people dying and I see the people around me who have had covid.Why does it bother you so much. This vaccine is far too new to be so blasé about taking it
Re your previous post, it's up there with arguing with should drink sewage to fight cholera et al and let the weak one's die...
36 and got my 1st jab this Saturday and the 2nd booked in August. Everyone I know my age has already been done or booked in, there is only 1 person that I work with that has refused it based on the facts he already had covid and the most venerable are already vaccinated.
For me personally with no underlying health issues the main reasons for taking up the jab are I suspect it will make going abroad easier and 'doing my bit' at protecting others/slowing down the spread of the virus.
These new strains affecting younger people is also in the back of mind, and the fact I had 4 places I can walk to and literally 100's of time & date slots to close from made it very easy
For me personally with no underlying health issues the main reasons for taking up the jab are I suspect it will make going abroad easier and 'doing my bit' at protecting others/slowing down the spread of the virus.
These new strains affecting younger people is also in the back of mind, and the fact I had 4 places I can walk to and literally 100's of time & date slots to close from made it very easy
CubanPete said:
We have new vaccines every year for flu variants etc. The bulk of any vaccine development is business planning and queuing for stage reviews, get rid of that and the actual development time is short.
Re your previous post, it's up there with arguing with should drink sewage to fight cholera et al and let the weak one's die...
Isn't this a new type of vaccine though...Re your previous post, it's up there with arguing with should drink sewage to fight cholera et al and let the weak one's die...
You take my point to literally. Though I do feel we do live in a far to sanitised environment, whereby we need medication for everything now...
Only the weak who want "help" should be helped. Don't stick a vaccine in their arm to save the NHS
Captain Conrod said:
CubanPete said:
We have new vaccines every year for flu variants etc. The bulk of any vaccine development is business planning and queuing for stage reviews, get rid of that and the actual development time is short.
Re your previous post, it's up there with arguing with should drink sewage to fight cholera et al and let the weak one's die...
Isn't this a new type of vaccine though...Re your previous post, it's up there with arguing with should drink sewage to fight cholera et al and let the weak one's die...
You take my point to literally. Though I do feel we do live in a far to sanitised environment, whereby we need medication for everything now...
Only the weak who want "help" should be helped. Don't stick a vaccine in their arm to save the NHS
Depends if you ever think you will need the NHS for any issue.
Something to read.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29966822/
Captain Conrod said:
Isn't this a new type of vaccine though...
You take my point to literally. Though I do feel we do live in a far to sanitised environment, whereby we need medication for everything now...
Only the weak who want "help" should be helped. Don't stick a vaccine in their arm to save the NHS
The OAZ has is recently new tech.You take my point to literally. Though I do feel we do live in a far to sanitised environment, whereby we need medication for everything now...
Only the weak who want "help" should be helped. Don't stick a vaccine in their arm to save the NHS
The Pfizer and moderna jab tech has been about 30 years or so. Its just the recipie so to speak has been tweeked for covid.
MiseryStreak said:
I’ve got a few mates around 30, and their enthusiasm for the jab seems to be just as high as those around my age (40s) or older.
It’s got nowt to do with me what they choose to do (and I truly admire their selflessness as the risk to them is near zero). Because they’re only offered the Pfizer or Moderna jab I do make them aware of this, as it contains information they won’t receive from the WHO, NHS or Government:
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/2...
"Naturopathic Oncology"It’s got nowt to do with me what they choose to do (and I truly admire their selflessness as the risk to them is near zero). Because they’re only offered the Pfizer or Moderna jab I do make them aware of this, as it contains information they won’t receive from the WHO, NHS or Government:
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/2...
That is selling treatments which have either not been shown to work, or which have been shown not to work, to people with cancer.
I'd rather take advice from Shipman.
CubanPete said:
Re you accusing me of taking your point literally, I am not sure there is any other way of taking it!? This is the funniest point of argument I have ever heard!
Depends if you ever think you will need the NHS for any issue.
Something to read.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29966822/
depends on your point of view. The nhs is a nice idea. It is terribly flawed though. I personally want to keep the NHS, I don't want my life dictated by them though. We all have to pay into it without any say, that is already a choice we don't have. It is our right to use it. It must work for us thoughDepends if you ever think you will need the NHS for any issue.
Something to read.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29966822/
I work damn hard on staying healthy too.
sherman said:
The OAZ has is recently new tech.
The Pfizer and moderna jab tech has been about 30 years or so. Its just the recipie so to speak has been tweeked for covid.
Okay good to know. The Pfizer on is causing a stir because it was pulled from animal testing for Killing the animals. Was watching a U.S government case into it. You might want to check my facts on it being the Pfizer one though but I think my memory is correct.The Pfizer and moderna jab tech has been about 30 years or so. Its just the recipie so to speak has been tweeked for covid.
Again I think they are pretty safe to use. Just Freedom of choice people
I’m at the upper side of your age range and as yet I’m undecided.
I’m not an anti vaxxer but... I was previously in a high risk category due to medication. I’ve had two major surgeries in the last 18 months and I’m still in recovery for the second.
I’m fine with following guidance on masks/distancing etc, but don’t currently feel the risk of Covid outweighs the risk of vaccine side effects. My wife’s having her jab tomorrow, I’ve not offered an opinion one way or another to her as to whether she should or not, her body = her choice.
It’s nice to have something we can all judge each other on again though, I miss Brexit!
I’m not an anti vaxxer but... I was previously in a high risk category due to medication. I’ve had two major surgeries in the last 18 months and I’m still in recovery for the second.
I’m fine with following guidance on masks/distancing etc, but don’t currently feel the risk of Covid outweighs the risk of vaccine side effects. My wife’s having her jab tomorrow, I’ve not offered an opinion one way or another to her as to whether she should or not, her body = her choice.
It’s nice to have something we can all judge each other on again though, I miss Brexit!
I went back and forth on the vaccine, basically have decided it is probably the right thing to do so I shall be getting it. 36 and booked in for Wednesday!
However I don't think anyone should be forced into it, it is entirely an individual choice but can we please stop using terms like "trust your immune system!" you can't, that is exactly why vaccinations exist, I mean, TB is pretty f
king nasty would you declined a BCG and just "trust your immune system?".
Also the tropes about the risk of death, yes, significantly lower in the under 50's but what TX's graphic doesn't show you is hospitalisations or long covid or the recovery from intubation and the PTSD that alot of people recovering from it can suffer with, a very close friend is a Dr in our local A&E and the number of under 50's he sees properly fked up by Covid suggests death isn't the worse thing that can happen to you.
BUT I will also say in terms of privacy and a vaccine, as far as I am concerned there should be an element of your health that is private and anyone forced to revealing their vaccination status for employment for example shouldn't have to, I think it is a disgusting precedent, I am not so naïve to suggest health isn't relevant to employment but typically occupations where health is an issue are subject to medicals etc and that is fine. My employer for example is welcome to ask about my vaccination status but as an IT Consultant, my age and risk profile, it shouldn't really matter if I am or not.
However I don't think anyone should be forced into it, it is entirely an individual choice but can we please stop using terms like "trust your immune system!" you can't, that is exactly why vaccinations exist, I mean, TB is pretty f
king nasty would you declined a BCG and just "trust your immune system?". Also the tropes about the risk of death, yes, significantly lower in the under 50's but what TX's graphic doesn't show you is hospitalisations or long covid or the recovery from intubation and the PTSD that alot of people recovering from it can suffer with, a very close friend is a Dr in our local A&E and the number of under 50's he sees properly f
ked up by Covid suggests death isn't the worse thing that can happen to you.BUT I will also say in terms of privacy and a vaccine, as far as I am concerned there should be an element of your health that is private and anyone forced to revealing their vaccination status for employment for example shouldn't have to, I think it is a disgusting precedent, I am not so naïve to suggest health isn't relevant to employment but typically occupations where health is an issue are subject to medicals etc and that is fine. My employer for example is welcome to ask about my vaccination status but as an IT Consultant, my age and risk profile, it shouldn't really matter if I am or not.
geeks said:
a very close friend is a Dr in our local A&E and the number of under 50's he sees properly fked up by Covid suggests death isn't the worse thing that can happen to you.
Has your friend expanded on these under 50's?ked up by Covid suggests death isn't the worse thing that can happen to you.ie are they obese? underlying conditions? anything else common of note?
This statement gets raised a lot but as soon as you try to dig deeper some people want to shut it down. Are you able to enlighten on these follow-up questions?
Ashfordian said:
geeks said:
a very close friend is a Dr in our local A&E and the number of under 50's he sees properly fked up by Covid suggests death isn't the worse thing that can happen to you.
Has your friend expanded on these under 50's?ked up by Covid suggests death isn't the worse thing that can happen to you.ie are they obese? underlying conditions? anything else common of note?
This statement gets raised a lot but as soon as you try to dig deeper some people want to shut it down. Are you able to enlighten on these follow-up questions?
Late 30s here, Worked through all the lock downs on delivery seeing 100s of people a day ( for a few minutes) and decided to wait and see what the outcome is next year, I know a few people who have had the jab, then still caught covid a few weeks later (who knows if it would have been worse without the jab?)
I wouldn’t focus too much on death in this age group.
I had Glandular Fever last year which wiped me out for a month and took months to properly recover from, and that was without any post-viral fatigue.
If, for what ever reason, COVID catches you on a bad week then it could easily get unpleasant.
I had Glandular Fever last year which wiped me out for a month and took months to properly recover from, and that was without any post-viral fatigue.
If, for what ever reason, COVID catches you on a bad week then it could easily get unpleasant.
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