30 somethings - are you going to vax?

[Prohibiting]

Had my first this morning. Absolutely fine.

[Ashfordian]

geeks said:

Ashfordian said:

geeks said:

a very close friend is a Dr in our local A&E and the number of under 50's he sees properly fked up by Covid suggests death isn't the worse thing that can happen to you.

Has your friend expanded on these under 50's?

ie are they obese? underlying conditions? anything else common of note?

This statement gets raised a lot but as soon as you try to dig deeper some people want to shut it down. Are you able to enlighten on these follow-up questions?

Yes I asked similar questions too, he is at least honest about this, you do obviously have a higher chance of issues based on your health (obesity does seem the biggest risk factor but this can be said for almost anything from Covid to Cancer to run of the mill Flu) but there are/were days where he says it seems like a coin toss, they are in the main at a loss why the seemingly fit and healthy are knocked down badly enough to end up under his care, he himself is a marathon runner and 42 got walloped by Covid and 6 months on is still having issues.

I have no front line experience but any photos I have seen obesity has definitely been a factor. Thanks for the honest response but one that is almost completely dismissed by the media.

I also know of a cyclist who is still having complications post Covid. He did a hard training ride on the day before symptoms which I suspect has contributed hugely to his complications. However I have seen many top level athletes contract Covid and return to their world class level so there is definitely some sort of coin-flip involved here.

[Maximus_Meridius101]

dmahon said:

Im 38 and wouldn’t take one.

Feel like there is a comparable amount of risk with the vaccine than Covid.

Plus I already had Covid and brushed it off.

I also think the travel advantage is overblown. No countries are giving an easier ride to vaccinated people yet

Finally, I disagree with the coercion etc for people who the vaccine doesn’t really benefit.

Will take it if I’m my backs against the wall but hoping it fizzles out before I have to.

It’s not all about you though. If you have a jab / the jabs, you’re potentially ( almost certainly now it seems) taking another possible host out of any transmission chain, which means old grandma miggins, who can’t have a vaccine, for medical reasons ( for example) stands less chance of getting a death sentence, because someone didn’t fancy doing ‘their bit’.

[anonymous-user]

Maximus_Meridius101 said:

It’s not all about you though. If you have a jab / the jabs, you’re potentially ( almost certainly now it seems) taking another possible host out of any transmission chain, which means old grandma miggins, who can’t have a vaccine, for medical reasons ( for example) stands less chance of getting a death sentence, because someone didn’t fancy doing ‘their bit’.

People need to take responsibility for their own life. If we just looked after everyone else we would never do or get anywhere. I expect my grandparents to keep away from people if they are worried about covid. If they got it I'm not blaming whoever for going about their day to day life

[Ashfordian]

Maximus_Meridius101 said:

It’s not all about you though. If you have a jab / the jabs, you’re potentially ( almost certainly now it seems) taking another possible host out of any transmission chain, which means old grandma miggins, who can’t have a vaccine, for medical reasons ( for example) stands less chance of getting a death sentence, because someone didn’t fancy doing ‘their bit’.

Old grandma miggins better stay away from hospital then, as they is going to be the most likely route of tranmission every winter.

However that policy is likely to have some serious side effect for Old grandma miggins...

[Maximus_Meridius101]

Captain Conrod said:

People need to take responsibility for their own life. If we just looked after everyone else we would never do or get anywhere. I expect my grandparents to keep away from people if they are worried about covid. If they got it I'm not blaming whoever for going about their day to day life

Of course. It’s not compulsory, but it is a sign of the times I guess, that there are ( seemingly) quite a few ( primarily in the younger groups) who don’t give a st about anything that’s not them. That’s a slippery slope. It’s selfishness, versus selflessness. If the balance tips too far to the former, things get bad.

[MiseryStreak]

otolith said:

MiseryStreak said:

I’ve got a few mates around 30, and their enthusiasm for the jab seems to be just as high as those around my age (40s) or older.

It’s got nowt to do with me what they choose to do (and I truly admire their selflessness as the risk to them is near zero). Because they’re only offered the Pfizer or Moderna jab I do make them aware of this, as it contains information they won’t receive from the WHO, NHS or Government:

https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/2...

"Naturopathic Oncology"



That is selling treatments which have either not been shown to work, or which have been shown not to work, to people with cancer.

I'd rather take advice from Shipman.

Yes, I saw that. Almost certainly a quack. I don’t have enough knowledge to discount every referenced statement in their article though, it just looks like a lot of unknowns.

For me it’s all about calculated risk (isn’t everything?). And I have had Covid and it the symptoms were similar to a mild cold in their severity. So even after my antibodies subside (just as they will for the vaccinated), the chances of me getting seriously ill from reinfection are incredibly small.

I am very far from an anti-vaxxer, and I completely agree with the truncated trial period and roll out of the vaccines to the elderly and vulnerable.

But I have realised that I’m not that willing to have a jab where there is no benefit to myself or society. There is no harm in waiting.

Many people are unable to take the vaccine so freedom to travel should and probably will be based on an antibody test. Proof of vaccination is not proof of immunity.

[djc206]

34, had my first one (Pfizer) this morning. Don’t know anyone who isn’t getting it at the first opportunity.

[popeyewhite]

Maximus_Meridius101 said:

Captain Conrod said:

People need to take responsibility for their own life. If we just looked after everyone else we would never do or get anywhere. I expect my grandparents to keep away from people if they are worried about covid. If they got it I'm not blaming whoever for going about their day to day life

Of course. It’s not compulsory, but it is a sign of the times I guess, that there are ( seemingly) quite a few ( primarily in the younger groups) who don’t give a st about anything that’s not them. That’s a slippery slope. It’s selfishness, versus selflessness. If the balance tips too far to the former, things get bad.

Staggeringly selfish not to have the vax if you mix with others or have parents or grandparents you see more than once in a blue moon. I don't like the feeling of being coerced into the jab, but killing my older relatives is a far more fundamental concern.

[Dan_1981]

39 second jab booked for next week.

Had my first one & it was AZ.

Don't know why you wouldn't get it.

[anonymous-user]

popeyewhite said:

Staggeringly selfish not to have the vax if you mix with others or have parents or grandparents you see more than once in a blue moon. I don't like the feeling of being coerced into the jab, but killing my older relatives is a far more fundamental concern.

You carry viruses all the time... Before march 2020. You will have already participated in killing someone. If you only now realise that because the government told you... We have a problem with education

[Dromedary66]

37 - had the Pfizer when offered as I am not a cowardly wimp.

[anonymous-user]

Dromedary66 said:

37 - had the Pfizer when offered as I am not a cowardly wimp.

I bet you are

I actually can't tell if you are trolling

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th May 16:31

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th May 17:05

[mike80]

Captain Conrod said:

You carry viruses all the time... Before march 2020. You will have already participated in killing someone. If you only now realise that because the government told you... We have a problem with education

Exactly. That mild cold you once had could be deadly for the next person, or the tenth person it got passed on to. That's just the way nature is.

[anonymous-user]

There’s an interesting correlation on this thread between vaccine scepticism and incorrect use of your/you’re.

[Dromedary66]

bulldong said:

There’s an interesting correlation on this thread between vaccine scepticism and incorrect use of your/you’re.

[anonymous-user]

bulldong said:

There’s an interesting correlation on this thread between vaccine scepticism and incorrect use of your/you’re.

Is that better?

[okgo]

Got the text, not bothered to book it in yet. I have a proper phobia of needles which isn't helping me want to bother. I do intend to, but I can't say I'm that fussed if I never do.

[budgie smuggler]

Captain Conrod said:

popeyewhite said:

Staggeringly selfish not to have the vax if you mix with others or have parents or grandparents you see more than once in a blue moon. I don't like the feeling of being coerced into the jab, but killing my older relatives is a far more fundamental concern.

You carry viruses all the time... Before march 2020. You will have already participated in killing someone. If you only now realise that because the government told you... We have a problem with education

And the difference is that with this one you have an easy option to prevent that.

[otolith]

MiseryStreak said:

Yes, I saw that. Almost certainly a quack. I don’t have enough knowledge to discount every referenced statement in their article though, it just looks like a lot of unknowns.

For me it’s all about calculated risk (isn’t everything?). And I have had Covid and it the symptoms were similar to a mild cold in their severity. So even after my antibodies subside (just as they will for the vaccinated), the chances of me getting seriously ill from reinfection are incredibly small.

I am very far from an anti-vaxxer, and I completely agree with the truncated trial period and roll out of the vaccines to the elderly and vulnerable.

But I have realised that I’m not that willing to have a jab where there is no benefit to myself or society. There is no harm in waiting.

Many people are unable to take the vaccine so freedom to travel should and probably will be based on an antibody test. Proof of vaccination is not proof of immunity.

You could spend some time investigating the claims, if you can be bothered.

On the other hand, just as an FYI - that is an open access journal with zero credibility, run by a board of antivaxxers (including the other author of the article)

https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/about/editoria...

Google the names.