Hypothetical: using someone else's name to rent property

Hypothetical: using someone else's name to rent property

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LeftmostAardvark

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1,434 posts

165 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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I volunteer with domestic violence and abuse cases and other similar situations and we get a range of situations pop up in training scenarios etc. This was a new one to me:

The situation that was described was:

Someone in an abusive / coercive relationship used the victim's name to rent a premises, having confiscated their passport and bank details. The victim eventually managed to escape the relationship, but unknowingly the rent was continued - paid by the abuser, who used that premises for illegal activity. That illegal activity was discovered, but with no one present at the time.

Who is INITIALLY liable? Person with name on lease? Would there be an arrest and what level of proof could the victim provide to show that they were not aware of the criminal activity, or indeed that the lease had been taken in their name?

As I said, just a hypothetical, so can't spend any money paying lawyers for a 'what if', but thoughts welcomed.

bimsb6

8,047 posts

222 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Presumably the leaseholder INITIALLY until they could prove no association with the property .

trickywoo

11,851 posts

231 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Sounds a lot like cuckooing which is well recognised by the police.

The police may call on the named person but move on pretty quickly when an explanation is given and well before they consider arrest.

Amateurish

7,756 posts

223 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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The person responsible for the illegal activity will be the person who carried out the illegal activity. The name on the lease will ultimately be an irrelevance.

LeftmostAardvark

Original Poster:

1,434 posts

165 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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trickywoo said:
Sounds a lot like cuckooing which is well recognised by the police.

The police may call on the named person but move on pretty quickly when an explanation is given and well before they consider arrest.
Cuckooing. Thanks, I have a term, now I can google. Appreciate your help!

bimsb6

8,047 posts

222 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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LeftmostAardvark said:
trickywoo said:
Sounds a lot like cuckooing which is well recognised by the police.

The police may call on the named person but move on pretty quickly when an explanation is given and well before they consider arrest.
Cuckooing. Thanks, I have a term, now I can google. Appreciate your help!
Doesn’t sound like that at all , cuckooing is where someone takes over a vulnerable persons property with them still living in the property , completely different to the scenario quoted .

trickywoo

11,851 posts

231 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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bimsb6 said:
Doesn’t sound like that at all , cuckooing is where someone takes over a vulnerable persons property with them still living in the property , completely different to the scenario quoted .
It’s hardly completely different and my post is a lot more useful than yours.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

51 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Someone in an abusive / coercive relationship used the victim's name to rent a premises, having confiscated their passport and bank details.
Here we call it identity theft, and it can carry between 1 and 20 years in jail.

bimsb6

8,047 posts

222 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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trickywoo said:
bimsb6 said:
Doesn’t sound like that at all , cuckooing is where someone takes over a vulnerable persons property with them still living in the property , completely different to the scenario quoted .
It’s hardly completely different and my post is a lot more useful than yours.
Not if its incorrect its not .

PorkInsider

5,890 posts

142 months

Saturday 19th June 2021
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Surely it's identity theft?

It's not much different to a complete stranger stealing a passport, etc., and using it to take out a lease, is it?

Electro1980

8,318 posts

140 months

Sunday 20th June 2021
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Identity theft. Not sure why anyone would think the abused person would be liable for anything.

Sgt Bilko

1,929 posts

216 months

Sunday 20th June 2021
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No such offence of identity theft. This is fraud by false representation.