Do I need any carbs?
Discussion
V8covin said:
Well if you're going carb free you won't be eating many healthy vegetables which is bad obviously.
Refined carbs are bad, wholegrains are not
Loads of people come on here and say how amazing cutting out carbs is and how they've lost xx kgs of weight.Refined carbs are bad, wholegrains are not
What they've actually cut out is cr4p.
I've just had some oats for breakfast. I'll no doubt be bloated in a minute, starving by 10, borderline diabetic and a disgrace to my ancestors
When I've competed in Martial Arts i've typically had to lose around 5-7kg from my normal 'in-shape' weight and have always done so by heavily restricting carbs i.e. only having vedge and fruit as my carbs source, the first week to 10 days are the worst as my body still craves all the s
t I was eating previously, after that though it's pretty easy, but then as soon as I've fought or whatever i can't help but eat pizza etc and all the weight is back on within a week and back to my old mixed diet (good 5 days, st for 2).
Also, whilst i agree on the quality of calories thing, it's very hard to get enough calories to make me feel full from clean foods, feels like i have to do an awful lot of eating which just isn't practical most of the time
t I was eating previously, after that though it's pretty easy, but then as soon as I've fought or whatever i can't help but eat pizza etc and all the weight is back on within a week and back to my old mixed diet (good 5 days, st for 2).Also, whilst i agree on the quality of calories thing, it's very hard to get enough calories to make me feel full from clean foods, feels like i have to do an awful lot of eating which just isn't practical most of the time
There is no food that is bad for you, only food that is less nutritious.
There is no magic bullet/system to loosing weight e..g. doing Keto/being in Ketosis gives you no more benefit than being in a calorie deficit.
People as a rule tend to under estimate the amount of calories they eat on a day to day basis
Yes we need carbs, its on one of the macro nutrients our body needs. This is a very informative site - https://www.nutrition.org.uk/nutritionscience/nutr...
There is no magic bullet/system to loosing weight e..g. doing Keto/being in Ketosis gives you no more benefit than being in a calorie deficit.
People as a rule tend to under estimate the amount of calories they eat on a day to day basis
Yes we need carbs, its on one of the macro nutrients our body needs. This is a very informative site - https://www.nutrition.org.uk/nutritionscience/nutr...
Anthony Micallef said:
Yes we need carbs, its on one of the macro nutrients our body needs. This is a very informative site - https://www.nutrition.org.uk/nutritionscience/nutr...
Please list the essential carbohydrates.V8covin said:
Well if you're going carb free you won't be eating many healthy vegetables which is bad obviously.
Refined carbs are bad, wholegrains are not
That isn't the case at all, you just need to know the difference between above and below ground veg.Refined carbs are bad, wholegrains are not
Then when you've learned that you get the balance right.
Anthony Micallef said:
Yes we need carbs, its on one of the macro nutrients our body needs. This is a very informative site - https://www.nutrition.org.uk/nutritionscience/nutr...
We don't need carbs although they are a handy source of vitamins and minerals. But you can get most of the same vitamins from an egg, for example.For the vast majority, ‘cutting carbs’ means cutting out cake, crisps, doughnuts, biscuits, chocolate and similar.
Weight drops off, well imagine that! These ‘carb heavy’ things are also heavy laden with another macronutrient - any guesses as to what? They’re high calorie snacks. Of course cutting them out will help.
The reality is that they have reduced calories. Via cutting out stty fat and carb laden foods and eating less.
And for a (very detailed) break down of calories and hormones relating to weight loss and Keto- read this https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/its-not...
It’s actually based on science, and shows you what kind of ‘science’ Keto based proponents use (this particular article shows one of the big proponents, Jason Fung, in his true light)
Keto works, but by the same mechanisms as other calorie restrictive diets. Loads of people try Keto, will tell you they lost loads of weight. But they stopped, and got fat, because it’s unsustainable for the vast majority. And that’s not conjecture- it’s just how it is.
The science isn’t even open for debate tbh, it’s very clear. Carbs aren’t inherently bad- read the article.
Cut out carbs if you want, have fun, and see how long you last. Or just eat sensible and don’t eat processed stty foods. 
Weight drops off, well imagine that! These ‘carb heavy’ things are also heavy laden with another macronutrient - any guesses as to what? They’re high calorie snacks. Of course cutting them out will help.
The reality is that they have reduced calories. Via cutting out s
tty fat and carb laden foods and eating less.And for a (very detailed) break down of calories and hormones relating to weight loss and Keto- read this https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/its-not...
It’s actually based on science, and shows you what kind of ‘science’ Keto based proponents use (this particular article shows one of the big proponents, Jason Fung, in his true light)
Keto works, but by the same mechanisms as other calorie restrictive diets. Loads of people try Keto, will tell you they lost loads of weight. But they stopped, and got fat, because it’s unsustainable for the vast majority. And that’s not conjecture- it’s just how it is.
The science isn’t even open for debate tbh, it’s very clear. Carbs aren’t inherently bad- read the article.
Cut out carbs if you want, have fun, and see how long you last. Or just eat sensible and don’t eat processed s
tty foods. didelydoo said:
For the vast majority, ‘cutting carbs’ means cutting out cake, crisps, doughnuts, biscuits, chocolate and similar.
Weight drops off, well imagine that! These ‘carb heavy’ things are also heavy laden with another macronutrient - any guesses as to what? They’re high calorie snacks. Of course cutting them out will help.
The reality is that they have reduced calories. Via cutting out stty fat and carb laden foods and eating less.
And for a (very detailed) break down of calories and hormones relating to weight loss and Keto- read this https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/its-not...
It’s actually based on science, and shows you what kind of ‘science’ Keto based proponents use (this particular article shows one of the big proponents, Jason Fung, in his true light)
Keto works, but by the same mechanisms as other calorie restrictive diets. Loads of people try Keto, will tell you they lost loads of weight. But they stopped, and got fat, because it’s unsustainable for the vast majority. And that’s not conjecture- it’s just how it is.
The science isn’t even open for debate tbh, it’s very clear.
Cut out carbs if you want, have fun
You only need to look at this thread to see what people class as Carbs, Pizza and similar foods, and they then say that cutting out carbs is the key to weight loss, and not cutting out poor nutritional calorie dense food.Weight drops off, well imagine that! These ‘carb heavy’ things are also heavy laden with another macronutrient - any guesses as to what? They’re high calorie snacks. Of course cutting them out will help.
The reality is that they have reduced calories. Via cutting out s
tty fat and carb laden foods and eating less.And for a (very detailed) break down of calories and hormones relating to weight loss and Keto- read this https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/its-not...
It’s actually based on science, and shows you what kind of ‘science’ Keto based proponents use (this particular article shows one of the big proponents, Jason Fung, in his true light)
Keto works, but by the same mechanisms as other calorie restrictive diets. Loads of people try Keto, will tell you they lost loads of weight. But they stopped, and got fat, because it’s unsustainable for the vast majority. And that’s not conjecture- it’s just how it is.
The science isn’t even open for debate tbh, it’s very clear.
Cut out carbs if you want, have fun
mooseracer said:
Loads of people come on here and say how amazing cutting out carbs is and how they've lost xx kgs of weight.
What they've actually cut out is cr4p.
I've just had some oats for breakfast. I'll no doubt be bloated in a minute, starving by 10, borderline diabetic and a disgrace to my ancestors
This, this, this, this, this!What they've actually cut out is cr4p.
I've just had some oats for breakfast. I'll no doubt be bloated in a minute, starving by 10, borderline diabetic and a disgrace to my ancestors
Refined carbs are bad when eaten in large quantities. If going keto is the only way you can stop yourself from eating large amounts of refined carbs then going keto is probably a good idea however your lack of self control is probably a bigger issue, and is probably why those who convert to keto often go full-on nutter with it.
A diet dominated by carbs from grains is a very recent (relatively speaking) swerve in our evolutionary development, as we've changed from hunter-gatherers to living in big cities requiring industrialised food production most easily facilitated by agri - grains.
That they're an essential large part of the "balenced diet pyramid" - or that we need "3 square meals a day" - is more beneficial to the workforce systematizing needs of a methodically stacked industrialised society than whats best for the individual people.
There's a lot of research in everything from teeth development to gut biome and we're learning things all the time, but anything that goes against the grain - heh - is not well received by those in society who have the power as they have it all to lose if how we do things is to change (in so, so many ways). These kinds of people always lurk and trip up those with new or different ideas, twas ever thus. Look at how Atkins - the inventor of the modern low carb / keto diets of which there's been an outburst recently with many people finding them very successful - yet he was mired and pilloried in his own time. The "freedom" the internet has afforded us has been great in this aspect - perhaps directly responsible for the low carb revolution? - and why recent attempts by hugely powerful entities to control what is deemed "truth" in this space so very alarming.
But I've probably gone off on one a bit. People are all individuals though and different diets suit different people, so keep an open mind. Tune in to Dr Rhonda Patrick (on Joe Rogan) for an interesting listen.
That they're an essential large part of the "balenced diet pyramid" - or that we need "3 square meals a day" - is more beneficial to the workforce systematizing needs of a methodically stacked industrialised society than whats best for the individual people.
There's a lot of research in everything from teeth development to gut biome and we're learning things all the time, but anything that goes against the grain - heh - is not well received by those in society who have the power as they have it all to lose if how we do things is to change (in so, so many ways). These kinds of people always lurk and trip up those with new or different ideas, twas ever thus. Look at how Atkins - the inventor of the modern low carb / keto diets of which there's been an outburst recently with many people finding them very successful - yet he was mired and pilloried in his own time. The "freedom" the internet has afforded us has been great in this aspect - perhaps directly responsible for the low carb revolution? - and why recent attempts by hugely powerful entities to control what is deemed "truth" in this space so very alarming.
But I've probably gone off on one a bit. People are all individuals though and different diets suit different people, so keep an open mind. Tune in to Dr Rhonda Patrick (on Joe Rogan) for an interesting listen.
Evoluzione said:
By cutting out the carbs I will last - a lot longer than I would have whilst still eating them, that's the whole point.
T2D is obviously a different case to the average person. But, it usually comes about for the same reasons- not many people develop T2D if they’re active and don’t eat crap. Evoluzione said:
That isn't the case at all, you just need to know the difference between above and below ground veg.
Then when you've learned that you get the balance right.
So which part isn't right ?Then when you've learned that you get the balance right.
Are many vegetables carbs or not ?
Are refined carbs bad for you ?
Are wholegrains good for you ?
I now see a lot of carbs as simply filler.
Pizza: what is tasty is the topping, you wouldn't eat a pizza base by itself
Pasta dishes: the sauce/meat/veg is tasty but plain pasta is not
Curries: rice, for us, is simply something to soak up the sauce in a lot of curries.
Bread: a means of holding the contents together in a sandwich
Toast (bread): is bland without butter +/- jam
Ditch the filler and you end up with a healthier diet and probably some weight loss.
Alternatively aim for keto diet which, with some effort, can be very tasty.
Personally I found I couldn't keep my calorie intake sufficiently high on a ketotic diet and was losing too much weight. I've found the balance by not restricting carbs too far but ditching the bland crap.
Pizza: what is tasty is the topping, you wouldn't eat a pizza base by itself
Pasta dishes: the sauce/meat/veg is tasty but plain pasta is not
Curries: rice, for us, is simply something to soak up the sauce in a lot of curries.
Bread: a means of holding the contents together in a sandwich
Toast (bread): is bland without butter +/- jam
Ditch the filler and you end up with a healthier diet and probably some weight loss.
Alternatively aim for keto diet which, with some effort, can be very tasty.
Personally I found I couldn't keep my calorie intake sufficiently high on a ketotic diet and was losing too much weight. I've found the balance by not restricting carbs too far but ditching the bland crap.
grumbledoak said:
Anthony Micallef said:
Yes we need carbs, its on one of the macro nutrients our body needs. This is a very informative site - https://www.nutrition.org.uk/nutritionscience/nutr...
Please list the essential carbohydrates. Well as I'm sure you are aware Carbs encompasses a broad category and they're not all the same. One of the good sources of Carbs though is dietary fibre. Its important for our health and for reducing the risk of some diseases e.g. heart disease, type 2 diabetes and colon cancer. It also helps our digestive health and reduces the risk of constipation.Please tell me in return why we now dont need any carbs at all?
Anthony Micallef said:
Well as I'm sure you are aware Carbs encompasses a broad category and they're not all the same. One of the good sources of Carbs though is dietary fibre. Its important for our health and for reducing the risk of some diseases e.g. heart disease, type 2 diabetes and colon cancer. It also helps our digestive health and reduces the risk of constipation.Please tell me in return why we now dont need any carbs at all?
Your body's daily carbohydrate requirement is 0 grams.
There are no essential carbohydrates, and it can extract energy perfectly well from fat or protein, both of which are essential.
Fibre is another surprise. We cannot digest it, and we don't need indigestible stuff irritating our colons. Nothing will happen if you never eat that again, either. Some people with unexplained IBS will find that removing fibre cures it.
grumbledoak said:
There are no essential carbohydrates, and it can extract energy perfectly well from fat or protein, both of which are essential.
Fibre is another surprise. We cannot digest it, and we don't need indigestible stuff irritating our colons. Nothing will happen if you never eat that again, either. Some people with unexplained IBS will find that removing fibre cures it.
I'm not disputing what you say; I am happy to be educated. But I've always been told that a balanced diet is wise - including carbs of course. And I'm sure I've always been told that fibre is, well, a Good Thing, and the more of it you consume the better. I had a procedure recently to remove a colon polyp. The consultant was very keen to tell me that I should eat more fibre as a preventative measure. You appear to suggest the opposite.Fibre is another surprise. We cannot digest it, and we don't need indigestible stuff irritating our colons. Nothing will happen if you never eat that again, either. Some people with unexplained IBS will find that removing fibre cures it.
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