Training heart rate.

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Swilly

9,699 posts

275 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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aabbaa1980 said:
What do you chaps think i shopuld do in terms of my approach to training?
Speak to one of the trainers at the gym.

Discuss your goals and get them to put together an exercise plan for you.

Podie

46,630 posts

276 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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pmanson said:
I'm 5ft 7 and currently weighing in at 14 stone.
Jeez Phill, you must have eaten some pies of late!!

Swilly

9,699 posts

275 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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aabbaa1980 said:
My cal intake has dropped to 1000 on a good day and 1500 on a bad day. saving a lot of cals a day.

-Breakfast Maximuscle diet shake 230 cals
-Lunch is a chicken brest sub sandwich (no cheese) and diet coke 400-500 cals
-Dinner maximuscle drink 230 cals.
Don't do this. It is the worst thing you can do.

Maintain you calorie intake at 2000-2500 a day BUT through eating the right things.

Typically fresh veg, fruit, quality meat, fish and poultry and typically over 5 small meals throughout the day. Avoid white foods- white flour based, white sugars, white rice (except for basmati, very good for you) etc and go for brown instead. Eat lots of green things. Lots of fruits especially berries etc and nuts.

How do you expect to exercise if you starve your body of the energy it needs to function, the proteins it needs to repair and rebuild itself ?!?!?!

Podie

46,630 posts

276 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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okgo said:
Whatever weight you lose will be coming right back when you start eating properly again.

That diet is ridiculous.
Agreed, it's unsustainable. You'd be better off eating decent quality food in calorie controlled portions.

Swilly said:
aabbaa1980 said:
What do you chaps think i shopuld do in terms of my approach to training?
Speak to one of the trainers at the gym.

Discuss your goals and get them to put together an exercise plan for you.
yes To be honest, I'm not sure what the OP is trying to achieve..? If it's just weight loss, then stick to CV and ~70% of peak heart rate (as someone else said - 220 minus your age), rather than weights.

Munter

31,319 posts

242 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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Swilly said:
aabbaa1980 said:
What do you chaps think i shopuld do in terms of my approach to training?
Speak to one of the trainers at the gym.

Discuss your goals and get them to put together an exercise plan for you.
Damnit. People are trying to scare him into an early grave here!

Though I have to admit thats what I've done. Although my guy's not the sharpest, at least he's able to look at me, see how I'm getting on with his test exercises, and give me a plan based on that.

Although he seemed confused that my reason for exercising was to stop weight gain while I'm at a good weight for my height. Weight Loss or look like Rocky I think he's programmed for, poor bugger looked a little lost confronted with me.

aabbaa1980

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434 posts

197 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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superkartracer said:
aabbaa1980 said:
superkartracer said:
aabbaa1980 said:
Good morning chaps.

Got a question. I am quite unfit and have recently started training.

My heart rate jumps to 182-184 when I am running at 8kmph on the treadmill. I run for about 15-20mins tops.

I am 29 years old, male, 5'10, 100kg, I have a broad frame and i am over weight but it does not look it. I generally have done very little exercise over the past 3 years. Now i am trying to get back into shape.

Is 182bpm a bit worrying?
Morning, i'd have a checkup just to be sure as taking your heart to 184 ( at such a slow speed ) is near 100% and only for the very fit, you might have plaque build-up that could dislodge, best to work at around 140 and lose the weight.

I'm 35 and hit 185+ but thats running @ 13 - 17kph for 45 minutes! and recover back too 120 in less than 2 minutes, @ 8kph i'd prob still be around 80bpm ( did you type speed correct? )

Best to be safe and good luck!

S
That sounds serious. Plague dislodge... sounds really bad!

I was 184 yesterday at the gym at 8kph. 3 weeks ago I did a random run and was 173 bpm at 8kph for 20 minutes.

4 years ago i was road-running 5 miles in 40-45 minutes (11-12kpm). I was 13.5 stones (85kg).

Edited by aabbaa1980 on Monday 25th January 15:50
Plaque even ha ha, chap i know is in a wheelchair via a stroke! he was 32 and fit so best to check, but if you have been fit in the past you should be fine, but worth a checkup
stroke! at 32! Scaring the life outa me! Doctors are plain lame. I went to the doctor about 6 months ago Exlained my concerns and he said hit the gym and lose weght.

A year ago I had a well man checkup and there the doc told me my chol is 6.5 and need to exercise and eat better. I have started to eat better!

I have been exercising on and off for the past 6 months.

I had a personal trainner at the gym; he would push me harder than I do now.

I might take it lighter for a few weeks.

Maybe my heartrate has gone up due to the Maximuscle suppliments?

I think I am going to get a pack of asprins on the way home. Helps thin the blood!

Edited by aabbaa1980 on Monday 25th January 16:14

T40ORA

5,177 posts

220 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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I don't get this heart rate thing.

I'm 50 years old, and both fit and healthy. I've had batteries of tests recently and cholesterol and all the usual blood work ups show normal.

Blood pressure 117/75
Resting pulse between 48 and 52

The Karvonen Calculator I've seen says my max rate is 170 (seemingly irrespective of my resting rate) but I often hit about 180bpm when on a treadmill, and feel absolutely fine. And I've been training long enough to know that it isn't a function of me being unfit and pushing too hard, that's just the sort of figure I expect.

I'm happy to be put right but isn't it all a bit broad brush stroke here? Treating us as all the same, when we are patently individual.

Anyone point me to any useful resource on this stuff?

Podie

46,630 posts

276 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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aabbaa1980 said:
A year ago I had a well man checkup and there the doc told me my chol is 6.5 and need to exercise and eat better. I have started to eat better!
MaxiMuscle is eating better..?!?! eek

aabbaa1980

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434 posts

197 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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Podie said:
aabbaa1980 said:
A year ago I had a well man checkup and there the doc told me my chol is 6.5 and need to exercise and eat better. I have started to eat better!
MaxiMuscle is eating better..?!?! eek
the maximuscle is to help build muscle through reparing the muscle quicker and the maximuscle diet helps reduce intake of cals.A lot of good feedback from users hence i thought i would give it ago! started 1 wk ago.

Swilly

9,699 posts

275 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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Munter said:
Swilly said:
aabbaa1980 said:
What do you chaps think i shopuld do in terms of my approach to training?
Speak to one of the trainers at the gym.

Discuss your goals and get them to put together an exercise plan for you.
Damnit. People are trying to scare him into an early grave here!

Though I have to admit thats what I've done. Although my guy's not the sharpest, at least he's able to look at me, see how I'm getting on with his test exercises, and give me a plan based on that.

Although he seemed confused that my reason for exercising was to stop weight gain while I'm at a good weight for my height. Weight Loss or look like Rocky I think he's programmed for, poor bugger looked a little lost confronted with me.
Thing about having a plan put together is not just about the health side of it and avoiding the heart-attack its also about taking an approach that you can maintain not just for a couple of months etc but for ever.

Don't go into an intensive 6 month regime then get bored, pizzed off because you don't see the results etc etc then give up.

Start by taking it easy, build up your stamina through CV exercies, train your metabolism to be more efficient so that you use what you eat more efficiently, change your diet, not for the length of the exercise but for ever, don't eat cheap, low grade, swept-up-off-the-floor-ste, eat good quality food that provides your body with the right amount of energy at the right time without the peaks and troughs of high blood-glucose, provide your body with the protein to repair and rebuild, provide your bosy with the vitamins, the minerals, the anti-oxidants that open up your bodies full capacity for activity, stamina and perfomance.

What you eat and what exercise you do should be woven into your daily life and not be just a 3 month binge starting as a new year's resolution that gets binned in march..... hehe

okgo

38,101 posts

199 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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aabbaa1980 said:
Podie said:
aabbaa1980 said:
A year ago I had a well man checkup and there the doc told me my chol is 6.5 and need to exercise and eat better. I have started to eat better!
MaxiMuscle is eating better..?!?! eek
the maximuscle is to help build muscle through reparing the muscle quicker and the maximuscle diet helps reduce intake of cals.A lot of good feedback from users hence i thought i would give it ago! started 1 wk ago.
Well they probably have 25-g of protein per serving, so not drasticly different to a normal dinner and2 boiled eggs at breakfast. So don't be fooled that you're getting that much more protein at the minute.

Swilly

9,699 posts

275 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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aabbaa1980 said:
I think I am going to get a pack of asprins on the way home. Helps thin the blood!
hehe you are trolling now you plank

aabbaa1980

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434 posts

197 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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Swilly said:
aabbaa1980 said:
I think I am going to get a pack of asprins on the way home. Helps thin the blood!
hehe you are trolling now you plank
Well there is a fair bit of research around it. My doc advised it.

Mr Whippy

29,071 posts

242 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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WTF

Just eat healthier and do *some* exercise.

If you eat well and do some exercise then you will be fit and healthy.

That is all there is to it.


You only need go mad and scientific about it if you have a specific need. Ie, lose weight, building muscle mass, cutting back to look fancy, or preparing for a physical event.


If you genuinely have long term health concerns and want to do something good for you for the long term, then finding something fun, easy and sustainable is key.

Will you do the gym 3x a week for the rest of your life, along with a special diet?

A bit better eating, a bit better exercise. Work steadily and sustainably and realise it's not really that hard. Make it complex and hard work for yourself and it won't be sustainable.

Dave

okgo

38,101 posts

199 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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aabbaa1980 said:
Swilly said:
aabbaa1980 said:
I think I am going to get a pack of asprins on the way home. Helps thin the blood!
hehe you are trolling now you plank
Well there is a fair bit of research around it. My doc advised it.
You're listening to utter idiots.

Take your head out of your ass and listen to people who know from results.

aabbaa1980

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434 posts

197 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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The diet I will can in a month; the gym sessions will continue i think for a long time. I do biking in the summer so I need to trim up for that too! Naturally in the summer with the biking I will gym less!

jagracer

8,248 posts

237 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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aabbaa1980 said:
The diet I will can in a month; the gym sessions will continue i think for a long time. I do biking in the summer so I need to trim up for that too! Naturally in the summer with the biking I will gym less!
You need to can the diet now and start eating proper food, who conned you into buying crap?
As for the asprin, there's debate either way as to whether long term use daily of asprin does anything apart from cause your stomach to bleed.
I would say you need to eat proper food and cut out the running, loads of people walk on the treadmills, you are fat and will damage your joints by continuously running. You also need to cut the weights probably by half or two thirds and do more reps, all you will do is end up with big tits and fked knees. You are doing it all wrong.

Edited by jagracer on Monday 25th January 16:44

aabbaa1980

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434 posts

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Monday 25th January 2010
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My training is essentially what I was being pushed to do with my personal instructor! He said I should run and use the cross trainer and also the rowing machine on hard core blasts which I don’t do as the short term blasts don’t work with me. I focus 40mins on runs/cross training.

My focus is weight loss and then strengthening my heart at the same time!

The Maximuscle diet was probably a bad move. I have never been up for such things. Reader reviews guided me down the wrong path! I generally do eat well. I made it even better prior to this maxi-diet nonsense. I think I will scrap the diet plan. Go back to eating normally.

I don’t look like a fat git but I am a bit heavy. The 184 bpm concerned me at the gym. I was surprised. Never seen it so high!

He would mix my 1 hour sessions up with core work and working out the thigh muscle and back muscles.

bales

1,905 posts

219 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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aabbaa1980 said:
Podie said:
aabbaa1980 said:
A year ago I had a well man checkup and there the doc told me my chol is 6.5 and need to exercise and eat better. I have started to eat better!
MaxiMuscle is eating better..?!?! eek
the maximuscle is to help build muscle through reparing the muscle quicker and the maximuscle diet helps reduce intake of cals.A lot of good feedback from users hence i thought i would give it ago! started 1 wk ago.
Christ the advertising really must be working with that company!! I didn't realise many people thought they were better than actual good food! Thats why they are called supplements they supplement your diet not make it up!!

Mr Whippy

29,071 posts

242 months

Monday 25th January 2010
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aabbaa1980 said:
The diet I will can in a month; the gym sessions will continue i think for a long time. I do biking in the summer so I need to trim up for that too! Naturally in the summer with the biking I will gym less!
So if you do biking in the summer, just replace it with a winter activity.

If you are already fairly fit then, you seem to be worrying over nothing.

Just eat well and exercise well.

No wonder the country is full of fatties if they find not stuffing their faces with st and sitting on their arses somehow complicated to achieve... so much so they need PH advice on the matter hehe


Dave