How long till the £20k Evora?
Discussion
NathanChadwick said:
Evora - not driven one, but having lost eight stone I can fit in one, and the appeal of a manual + V6 + RWD appeals
Having driven one and not bought one, I would say you missed the number one reason for getting one: handling. It handles like nothing else I've ever driven. It's amazing. It shouldn't be possible for a car to be both compliant, and fast/flat like it is. On your appeals, the manual isn't the best (quite forgettable and not a reason to buy the car), and the V6 not exactly inspiring. But, you buy the chassis and the engine and gearbox are there to move it, rather than the stars of the show.
I think you'll need a test drive Nathan, I think you're right to raise personal taste.
The Evora IMO is very well resolved with lots of feedback but not edgy at all - it's not a car you'd seek out for those spikes of adrenaline you'd get from keeping a hard-driven TVR out of the hedges for example
The Evora IMO is very well resolved with lots of feedback but not edgy at all - it's not a car you'd seek out for those spikes of adrenaline you'd get from keeping a hard-driven TVR out of the hedges for example
Edited by giveitfish on Tuesday 16th November 12:30
p4cks said:
You'd be surprised by the Evora, I feel. It's very much a useable grand tourer which can, when pushed, become a proper sports car.
Yep, that's what I'm after in the first instance, something useable and practical for two people at most, but is exciting, challenging and something to wrestle with. My dream car is a Maserati Ghibli II Cup, but I fear I have missed the boat on those. The last one sold for just under £40k and in a few years they'll be twice that. The modern equivalent is the BMW 1M, but they are also £50k.Which brings me to the Z4M, which is winning. As I say, it's a triumph of engine over chassis, which is what I like (I currently drive a 147 GTA). The problem is it doesn't feel overtly special inside. It does have the excellent quick CSL steering rack.
The GranSport, however, has that V8, and is special inside, and is... well... a Maserati. But the steering lacks the feel and incisiveness of the Z4M, and this will primarily be my weekend car to go out and excise the week's demons. While a great GT car, I'm not sure long term whether it's got that hardcore side to it (other than the ride quality, which is harsh). The MC Victory does, but that's £55,000.
The Evora interests because it seems to lie in the mid-point between the two. But does it have the 'taming a bear' factor enough?
The Harry Metcalfe review of the 410 makes it seem as if it does, but that's a nearly new, £60k+ supercharged version. Will a £24k one have the same raw thrill factor, in the same way a Z4M does?
giveitfish said:
I think you'll need a test drive Nathan, I think you're right to raise personal taste.
The Evora IMO is very well resolved with lots of feedback but not edgy at all - it's not a car you'd seek out for those spikes of adrenaline you'd get from keeping a hard-driven TVR out of the hedges for example
Thankyou, I replied again just as this appeared. That's why I wanted to make it very clear that this is all down to personal taste, and not disrespect the Evora's fans or engineers (if they're reading). I do like my cars edgy, rather than ultimate chassis compliance – it's why I own a silly V6 FWD Alfa hot hatch rather than, say, a RenaultSport Clio 182 Trophy – and why the Z4M is winning thus far.*The Evora IMO is very well resolved with lots of feedback but not edgy at all - it's not a car you'd seek out for those spikes of adrenaline you'd get from keeping a hard-driven TVR out of the hedges for example
Edited by giveitfish on Tuesday 16th November 12:30
- Well, the option of a track prepared Alfa 75 V6/SZ hybrid is actually winning, but turning up to client pitches in that might not work.
NathanChadwick said:
Will a £24k one have the same raw thrill factor, in the same way a Z4M does?
Mine does, absolutely. It's an event every time I take it out. I'm actually toying with the idea of selling it at the moment as it simply doesn't get the use it deserves (thread here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...
“GranSport – my heart wants this, but it has been a little spoiled by the GranSport MC Victory, which is so much more dynamic to drive thanks to its special steering rack. Just the two pedals as well; I like the Cambiocorsa shift but I would rather have three pedals... The MC Victory is also more than twice the price.”
RE: The Gransport - I think some of the later cars had the same rack as the MCV (although not all the other bits) having checked the part numbers (there is a thread of the Sports Maserati forum somewhere) so these may be just as good and wayyyy cheaper!
RE: The Evora V Gransport - handling is sublime in the Evora compared to the GS with the skyhook although steering feels heavier and maybe slightly slower so not not so ‘edgy’ but feel is much better. The Evora is a much lighter car as well. Engines both sound amazing in their different ways.
Edited by EvoCymru on Tuesday 16th November 19:26
NathanChadwick said:
Will a £24k one have the same raw thrill factor, in the same way a Z4M does?
My one probably fits into that bracket, and I would say that it does not necessarily have the "thrill" of the Honda S2000s I drove for many years before it.The handling is truly stunning in the Lotus, but I always feel I never know where the limit is - I can push it and it just keeps doing its (very remarkable) thing with no drama, push a little more and it just shrugs it off - with the Honda you had that "edgieness" and knew when you are getting close to its limits - with the Lotus I really have no idea and would end up being in lethal territory finding out that out on the public road.
Don't get me wrong, it is a thing of wonder the way The Evora deals with twisties in such an unflustered manner, and there were things the Honda did better (engine/gearchange/roof/size) that colour my comparison to some degree, but I often miss the challenge it presented more readily.
I can agree with that.
I remember coming over a crest in the Dales to find a much sharper drop and a much tighter turn than I was expecting, witnessed by deep grooves in the tarmac where previous victims had landed. I thought I was doomed but the Evora just shrugged it off without even a wiggle.
The limits on dry roads were so high I never breached them. I actually like that in a car, but I can appreciate there are those who don't. I think the earlier cars on smaller wheels were both a bit more comfortable and bit more expressive on the road but I don't have the personal experience to confirm that.
I remember coming over a crest in the Dales to find a much sharper drop and a much tighter turn than I was expecting, witnessed by deep grooves in the tarmac where previous victims had landed. I thought I was doomed but the Evora just shrugged it off without even a wiggle.
The limits on dry roads were so high I never breached them. I actually like that in a car, but I can appreciate there are those who don't. I think the earlier cars on smaller wheels were both a bit more comfortable and bit more expressive on the road but I don't have the personal experience to confirm that.
NathanChadwick said:
The Evora interests because it seems to lie in the mid-point between the two. But does it have the 'taming a bear' factor enough?
The Harry Metcalfe review of the 410 makes it seem as if it does, but that's a nearly new, £60k+ supercharged version. Will a £24k one have the same raw thrill factor, in the same way a Z4M does?
From my 410 sport, I would say no it neither has much of a taming a bear factor, nor a raw thrill factor. Those have to have a car on the edge that slips and slides and keeps you on your toes (the way a Caterham does for example). To me that's not an Evora.The Harry Metcalfe review of the 410 makes it seem as if it does, but that's a nearly new, £60k+ supercharged version. Will a £24k one have the same raw thrill factor, in the same way a Z4M does?
EvoCymru said:
GranSport – my heart wants this, but it has been a little spoiled by the GranSport MC Victory, which is so much more dynamic to drive thanks to its special steering rack. Just the two pedals as well; I like the Cambiocorsa shift but I would rather have three pedals... The MC Victory is also more than twice the price.
RE: The Gransport - I think some of the later cars had the same rack as the MCV (although not all the other bits) having checked the part numbers (there is a thread of the Sports Maserati forum somewhere) so these may be just as good and mayyyy cheaper!
RE: The Evora V Gransport - handling is sublime in the Evora compared to the GS with the skyhook although steering feels heavier and maybe slightly slower so not not so ‘edgy’ but feel is much better. The Evora is a much lighter car as well. Engines both sound amazing in their different ways.
I'm Nayf on there and I'm aware of that thread. There are other reasons why the MC Victory is more engaging than the normal one, buckets and a slightly fruitier engine (allegedly). Ahem.RE: The Gransport - I think some of the later cars had the same rack as the MCV (although not all the other bits) having checked the part numbers (there is a thread of the Sports Maserati forum somewhere) so these may be just as good and mayyyy cheaper!
RE: The Evora V Gransport - handling is sublime in the Evora compared to the GS with the skyhook although steering feels heavier and maybe slightly slower so not not so ‘edgy’ but feel is much better. The Evora is a much lighter car as well. Engines both sound amazing in their different ways.
Apologies, I'm late to this discussion.
I came from a big supercharged V8 Jag to the Evora so I can give an idea of my feelings transitioning to the different feel.
The Jag had it's beauty in moments such as powering off of a roundabout with a quick snap of oppo lock on the way out, or driving a corner altering your line on the throttle and just feeling the balance of the rear as you change the angle. You get that picture instinctively forming in your mind of what is happening at the rear as the tyres spin up and you find that sweet spot of throttle and correction. That bakes memories into your mind.
Coming to the Evora, my first instinct was to wrestle it... That didn't feel good and the Evora didn't like it either. I was also SUPER mindful of the rear under power because that's how you had to drive the Jag. However! given some practice and effort to understand how the car is balanced, I find there are a couple of ways to enjoy the car:
1) It's a rocket ship! Drive it nice and smooth, left foot braking deep into corners, pick up the throttle and tear around the rest of the corner riding a whiff of understeer and fire up the straight... It feels chuffing fast like that, a bit like you are on the front seat of a rollercoaster
2) It's a ballerina! Push into a corner/roundabout then use lift off and/or left foot to rotate the car. It'll rotate around the centre. You can then stand on the throttle (NA here, don't know the exact balance of the others) and extend into a slide or give it a bit of throttle but not all the way and fire out onto a straight - this can be much fun especially if you then get a transition to the other side and another whiff of natural oversteer as the weight rolls to the other side. You can also have nice little balanced drifts etc. around long corners balancing between left foot braking and throttle
Both methods are a lot of fun and the car is plenty happy to play, having said that, is it the same as driving a FR that is trying to kill you on a wet day? No. It's more relaxing on the way home when it's cold and wet, it feels like it's looking after me. The Jag, even with TC on full would still try to kill you occasionally. The Evora is more subtle though and will improve your technique more. There is more to learn and many more ways to drive the car. It rewards you for trying different things and putting in the time and effort to work with it.
Essentially, I would like both types of car in my garage. If your preference is survival mode, I think the Z4 is a better bet for you though. I do miss nearly dying every morning...
I came from a big supercharged V8 Jag to the Evora so I can give an idea of my feelings transitioning to the different feel.
The Jag had it's beauty in moments such as powering off of a roundabout with a quick snap of oppo lock on the way out, or driving a corner altering your line on the throttle and just feeling the balance of the rear as you change the angle. You get that picture instinctively forming in your mind of what is happening at the rear as the tyres spin up and you find that sweet spot of throttle and correction. That bakes memories into your mind.
Coming to the Evora, my first instinct was to wrestle it... That didn't feel good and the Evora didn't like it either. I was also SUPER mindful of the rear under power because that's how you had to drive the Jag. However! given some practice and effort to understand how the car is balanced, I find there are a couple of ways to enjoy the car:
1) It's a rocket ship! Drive it nice and smooth, left foot braking deep into corners, pick up the throttle and tear around the rest of the corner riding a whiff of understeer and fire up the straight... It feels chuffing fast like that, a bit like you are on the front seat of a rollercoaster
2) It's a ballerina! Push into a corner/roundabout then use lift off and/or left foot to rotate the car. It'll rotate around the centre. You can then stand on the throttle (NA here, don't know the exact balance of the others) and extend into a slide or give it a bit of throttle but not all the way and fire out onto a straight - this can be much fun especially if you then get a transition to the other side and another whiff of natural oversteer as the weight rolls to the other side. You can also have nice little balanced drifts etc. around long corners balancing between left foot braking and throttle
Both methods are a lot of fun and the car is plenty happy to play, having said that, is it the same as driving a FR that is trying to kill you on a wet day? No. It's more relaxing on the way home when it's cold and wet, it feels like it's looking after me. The Jag, even with TC on full would still try to kill you occasionally. The Evora is more subtle though and will improve your technique more. There is more to learn and many more ways to drive the car. It rewards you for trying different things and putting in the time and effort to work with it.
Essentially, I would like both types of car in my garage. If your preference is survival mode, I think the Z4 is a better bet for you though. I do miss nearly dying every morning...
NathanChadwick said:
Yep, that's what I'm after in the first instance, something useable and practical for two people at most, but is exciting, challenging and something to wrestle with. My dream car is a Maserati Ghibli II Cup, but I fear I have missed the boat on those. The last one sold for just under £40k and in a few years they'll be twice that. The modern equivalent is the BMW 1M, but they are also £50k.
Which brings me to the Z4M, which is winning. As I say, it's a triumph of engine over chassis, which is what I like (I currently drive a 147 GTA). The problem is it doesn't feel overtly special inside. It does have the excellent quick CSL steering rack.
The GranSport, however, has that V8, and is special inside, and is... well... a Maserati. But the steering lacks the feel and incisiveness of the Z4M, and this will primarily be my weekend car to go out and excise the week's demons. While a great GT car, I'm not sure long term whether it's got that hardcore side to it (other than the ride quality, which is harsh). The MC Victory does, but that's £55,000.
The Evora interests because it seems to lie in the mid-point between the two. But does it have the 'taming a bear' factor enough?
The Harry Metcalfe review of the 410 makes it seem as if it does, but that's a nearly new, £60k+ supercharged version. Will a £24k one have the same raw thrill factor, in the same way a Z4M does?
As others have said probably the opposite of taming a bear, the car is so incredibly capable i still just find my self bemused at how it can handle rough roads so well even a year into ownership! The joy comes from the steering, I have come from fast BMW's (2 x 130i's and 1 x modified M135i) which are fun but not in the same way as a lotus. It feels like there are a lot more depths to it's talent and it takes time to learn it. the fact that you are super safe and confident inspiring in the wet makes a difference to me, means it's a lot more usable in rainy Britain! Which brings me to the Z4M, which is winning. As I say, it's a triumph of engine over chassis, which is what I like (I currently drive a 147 GTA). The problem is it doesn't feel overtly special inside. It does have the excellent quick CSL steering rack.
The GranSport, however, has that V8, and is special inside, and is... well... a Maserati. But the steering lacks the feel and incisiveness of the Z4M, and this will primarily be my weekend car to go out and excise the week's demons. While a great GT car, I'm not sure long term whether it's got that hardcore side to it (other than the ride quality, which is harsh). The MC Victory does, but that's £55,000.
The Evora interests because it seems to lie in the mid-point between the two. But does it have the 'taming a bear' factor enough?
The Harry Metcalfe review of the 410 makes it seem as if it does, but that's a nearly new, £60k+ supercharged version. Will a £24k one have the same raw thrill factor, in the same way a Z4M does?
mine as the BOE CAI sports exhaust and remap which do make a big difference to the drive/ excitement of the NA, the engine is a peach once it is unlocked!
buy one they are brilliant!
p4cks said:
f
k it, I'm going to sell mine. Prob £24K ish
To my mind, and perhaps I'm wrong, unless there's something won't with it 24K is below market value for almost any Evora right now. The only one listed at that price that I can see is the aquamarine one which is seemingly not actually on sale and if eternally listed.k it, I'm going to sell mine. Prob £24K ish Up to you, but it seems that you would be shooting low
saaby93 said:
Does this one look reasonable?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144304701344?
Presuming it belongs to the gentleman above you. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144304701344?
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