Evora or Cayman/Boxster?
Discussion
Lee Jones Jnr said:
Manchester and Bham both had Ferrari dealerships.
Manchester Pretty Woman'd me so wouldn't use them anyway but the car came from Carrs and I liked dealing with them. No problems with Birmingham, never been.
I have to ask... What is being "pretty woman'd"?Manchester Pretty Woman'd me so wouldn't use them anyway but the car came from Carrs and I liked dealing with them. No problems with Birmingham, never been.
Urban dictionary suggests it's something that I wouldn't expect to be happening at a car dealers...
Being Pretty Woman'd is probably being ignored by the sales staff, as they think that you are someone who's not normally the sort of person who will buy. That is, the saies staff are judging you on your appearance.
About 30 years ago I used to work as a cashier in a betting shop. Two of our highest-rolling customers were a pair of brothers who had set up a chain of builders merchants and video shops and made themselves a great deal of money during the 1980s. They weren't posh, probably had very little academic education, had very broad west country accents and used to dress in shellsuits. But they owned racehorses and drove Jaguars.
They told us a story whereby they went to the Jag dealership in Taunton and were completely ignored by the sales staff. Whereupon they drove to the Jag dealership in Exeter and bought two brand-new Jag XJ saloons of some description. About two hours later they returned to the Taunton Jag dealership in said new Jags - and gave the sales staff the full 'big mistake' treatment!
Good on them
About 30 years ago I used to work as a cashier in a betting shop. Two of our highest-rolling customers were a pair of brothers who had set up a chain of builders merchants and video shops and made themselves a great deal of money during the 1980s. They weren't posh, probably had very little academic education, had very broad west country accents and used to dress in shellsuits. But they owned racehorses and drove Jaguars.
They told us a story whereby they went to the Jag dealership in Taunton and were completely ignored by the sales staff. Whereupon they drove to the Jag dealership in Exeter and bought two brand-new Jag XJ saloons of some description. About two hours later they returned to the Taunton Jag dealership in said new Jags - and gave the sales staff the full 'big mistake' treatment!
Good on them
Stunters said:
Being Pretty Woman'd is probably being ignored by the sales staff, as they think that you are someone who's not normally the sort of person who will buy. That is, the saies staff are judging you on your appearance.
About 30 years ago I used to work as a cashier in a betting shop. Two of our highest-rolling customers were a pair of brothers who had set up a chain of builders merchants and video shops and made themselves a great deal of money during the 1980s. They weren't posh, probably had very little academic education, had very broad west country accents and used to dress in shellsuits. But they owned racehorses and drove Jaguars.
They told us a story whereby they went to the Jag dealership in Taunton and were completely ignored by the sales staff. Whereupon they drove to the Jag dealership in Exeter and bought two brand-new Jag XJ saloons of some description. About two hours later they returned to the Taunton Jag dealership in said new Jags - and gave the sales staff the full 'big mistake' treatment!
Good on them
CsbAbout 30 years ago I used to work as a cashier in a betting shop. Two of our highest-rolling customers were a pair of brothers who had set up a chain of builders merchants and video shops and made themselves a great deal of money during the 1980s. They weren't posh, probably had very little academic education, had very broad west country accents and used to dress in shellsuits. But they owned racehorses and drove Jaguars.
They told us a story whereby they went to the Jag dealership in Taunton and were completely ignored by the sales staff. Whereupon they drove to the Jag dealership in Exeter and bought two brand-new Jag XJ saloons of some description. About two hours later they returned to the Taunton Jag dealership in said new Jags - and gave the sales staff the full 'big mistake' treatment!
Good on them
RobM77 said:
hyphen said:
RobM77 said:
I always remember being surprised how my Lotus services came out at £500-£1000, even if nothing was really wrong. £3k for nothing much being wrong is horrific!
Lotus have just reduced parts prices.
My next service will cost about £1000 but that includes: front pads, brake fluid, fix an issue with a door handle, replace a waist seal. They will also be replacing the discs but I have sourced those. Tbh. The waist seal doesn’t really need doing but I like to keep the car tip top.
All by Lotus Silverstone.
blueg33 said:
RobM77 said:
hyphen said:
RobM77 said:
I always remember being surprised how my Lotus services came out at £500-£1000, even if nothing was really wrong. £3k for nothing much being wrong is horrific!
Lotus have just reduced parts prices.
My next service will cost about £1000 but that includes: front pads, brake fluid, fix an issue with a door handle, replace a waist seal. They will also be replacing the discs but I have sourced those. Tbh. The waist seal doesn’t really need doing but I like to keep the car tip top.
All by Lotus Silverstone.
drgoatboy said:
I have to ask... What is being "pretty woman'd"?
Urban dictionary suggests it's something that I wouldn't expect to be happening at a car dealers...
They offered me a ride in a Lotus Esprit and paid me for sex....Urban dictionary suggests it's something that I wouldn't expect to be happening at a car dealers...
As the poster after you said, they had obviously decided that I wasn't old enough to be buying a car so couldn't be bothered to help me.
RobM77 said:
Beautiful photos 
I did find that the Evora had a good brake pedal and yes, it's good to heel and toe in (something I do in all cars, so I find it annoying if it's hard). However, the linearity and precision of the Cayman's pedal I found just that bit better.
With the balance, it's simply a matter of the Cayman have a flat engine down on the car's floor and truly mid-mounted, and all modern Lotuses having an engine that relatively is more rearward and much higher in the chassis, plus with a CofG within the engine that's a little higher. It's not really something that worried me on the road to be honest, but it makes itself felt a lot on track, and particularly in my 2-Eleven, which I think was an Elise S1 front end with a heavy supercharged Toyota rear end.
To drive though, in my humble opinion it's not even close; the Lotus is just in a different league. The above small things really are quite small compared to the stark difference in how each car drives down a typical British road. There is no type of driving or circumstance where I would choose the Porsche over the Lotus.
Edited to add: I've not driven the n/a Evora, just two S models (one manual and one IPS).
Which Evora are you referring to here? The 350bhp Evora was slower and less planted than the 981S going off the autocar track shoot out video i watched.. i do think the 400 models look so much better than the early varientsI did find that the Evora had a good brake pedal and yes, it's good to heel and toe in (something I do in all cars, so I find it annoying if it's hard). However, the linearity and precision of the Cayman's pedal I found just that bit better.
With the balance, it's simply a matter of the Cayman have a flat engine down on the car's floor and truly mid-mounted, and all modern Lotuses having an engine that relatively is more rearward and much higher in the chassis, plus with a CofG within the engine that's a little higher. It's not really something that worried me on the road to be honest, but it makes itself felt a lot on track, and particularly in my 2-Eleven, which I think was an Elise S1 front end with a heavy supercharged Toyota rear end.
To drive though, in my humble opinion it's not even close; the Lotus is just in a different league. The above small things really are quite small compared to the stark difference in how each car drives down a typical British road. There is no type of driving or circumstance where I would choose the Porsche over the Lotus.
Edited to add: I've not driven the n/a Evora, just two S models (one manual and one IPS).
Edited by RobM77 on Friday 15th November 14:18
SarlechS said:
Which Evora are you referring to here? The 350bhp Evora was slower and less planted than the 981S going off the autocar track shoot out video i watched.. i do think the 400 models look so much better than the early varients
Surprising to see evora described as 'less planted', it is unbelievably so. Slower round that particular circuit but I woul rather a lotus chassis / steering feel. Plenty of lovers of each car to buy what they want.SarlechS said:
RobM77 said:
Beautiful photos
I did find that the Evora had a good brake pedal and yes, it's good to heel and toe in (something I do in all cars, so I find it annoying if it's hard). However, the linearity and precision of the Cayman's pedal I found just that bit better.
With the balance, it's simply a matter of the Cayman have a flat engine down on the car's floor and truly mid-mounted, and all modern Lotuses having an engine that relatively is more rearward and much higher in the chassis, plus with a CofG within the engine that's a little higher. It's not really something that worried me on the road to be honest, but it makes itself felt a lot on track, and particularly in my 2-Eleven, which I think was an Elise S1 front end with a heavy supercharged Toyota rear end.
To drive though, in my humble opinion it's not even close; the Lotus is just in a different league. The above small things really are quite small compared to the stark difference in how each car drives down a typical British road. There is no type of driving or circumstance where I would choose the Porsche over the Lotus.
Edited to add: I've not driven the n/a Evora, just two S models (one manual and one IPS).
Which Evora are you referring to here? The 350bhp Evora was slower and less planted than the 981S going off the autocar track shoot out video i watched.. i do think the 400 models look so much better than the early varientsI did find that the Evora had a good brake pedal and yes, it's good to heel and toe in (something I do in all cars, so I find it annoying if it's hard). However, the linearity and precision of the Cayman's pedal I found just that bit better.
With the balance, it's simply a matter of the Cayman have a flat engine down on the car's floor and truly mid-mounted, and all modern Lotuses having an engine that relatively is more rearward and much higher in the chassis, plus with a CofG within the engine that's a little higher. It's not really something that worried me on the road to be honest, but it makes itself felt a lot on track, and particularly in my 2-Eleven, which I think was an Elise S1 front end with a heavy supercharged Toyota rear end.
To drive though, in my humble opinion it's not even close; the Lotus is just in a different league. The above small things really are quite small compared to the stark difference in how each car drives down a typical British road. There is no type of driving or circumstance where I would choose the Porsche over the Lotus.
Edited to add: I've not driven the n/a Evora, just two S models (one manual and one IPS).
Edited by RobM77 on Friday 15th November 14:18
I'm a bit confused by your reply though, as you mention 3 things that I wasn't saying: 1) slower/faster, 2) more/less planted, and 3) looks. I wasn't commenting on any of those things.
I have an Evora S, but test drove a Cayman S prior to buying it.
The Cayman is a fantastic car, but it didn't have the feel and feedback that the Evora gives you. I also found that, while the quality of the cabin/electronics etc is better in the Porsche than in the Lotus, it felt a little bit generic, whereas the Lotus felt really unique.
However, the main reason for me not buying a Cayman is that to get the best out of it you had to push it quite hard, so much so that on my test drive I never really felt I'd experienced it at its best, whereas in the Evora, you can drive it at sensible speeds and it still feels special. On a twisting British B Road, the Evora S is just about the best car i've ever driven, only eclipsed by the Exige V6, but that's a totally different ownership proposition.
Should mention that my comparison is based on the previous generation Cayman, which was obviously the direct competitor the the Evora S when I bought it (6 years ago).
The Cayman is a fantastic car, but it didn't have the feel and feedback that the Evora gives you. I also found that, while the quality of the cabin/electronics etc is better in the Porsche than in the Lotus, it felt a little bit generic, whereas the Lotus felt really unique.
However, the main reason for me not buying a Cayman is that to get the best out of it you had to push it quite hard, so much so that on my test drive I never really felt I'd experienced it at its best, whereas in the Evora, you can drive it at sensible speeds and it still feels special. On a twisting British B Road, the Evora S is just about the best car i've ever driven, only eclipsed by the Exige V6, but that's a totally different ownership proposition.
Should mention that my comparison is based on the previous generation Cayman, which was obviously the direct competitor the the Evora S when I bought it (6 years ago).
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 15th June 15:21
SarlechS said:
Which Evora are you referring to here? The 350bhp Evora was slower and less planted than the 981S going off the autocar track shoot out video i watched.. i do think the 400 models look so much better than the early varients
Track times are interesting - the two are very close, certainly too close to call if its different times of day and different driversLap Times
Track Lotus Evora S Porsche Cayman S
Hockenheim Short 1:13.00 1:12.80
Laguna Seca 1:42.49 1:41.26
Motortrend Figure-8 0:24.40 0:24.10
Blyton Park 1:12.40 1:11.70
Acceleration
Speed & distance Lotus Evora S Porsche Cayman S
0 - 40 kph 1.4 s 1.3 s
0 - 100 kph 4.6 s 4.4 s
0 - 200 kph 16.1 s 15.9 s
Est. 100 - 200 kph 11.5 s 11.8 s
0 - 60 mph 4.3 s 4.1 s
0 - 100 mph 10.4 s 10.0 s
Est. 1/8 mile 8.9 s @ 95.1 mph 8.9 s @ 95.7 mph
1/4 mile 12.8 s @ 110.0 mph 12.6 s @ 112.5 mph
But that lot just a track exercise, for me its how they feel on the road, equally quick is the answer, but the Evora is miles ahead in terms of steering feel and feels more precise and accurate on turn in.
Both are great cars. I had a Cayman on test for 3 days and it was great, but I tried an Evora at Silverstone after dropping the Cayman back to Porsche and was sold within the first mile
RobM77 said:
SarlechS said:
RobM77 said:
Beautiful photos
I did find that the Evora had a good brake pedal and yes, it's good to heel and toe in (something I do in all cars, so I find it annoying if it's hard). However, the linearity and precision of the Cayman's pedal I found just that bit better.
With the balance, it's simply a matter of the Cayman have a flat engine down on the car's floor and truly mid-mounted, and all modern Lotuses having an engine that relatively is more rearward and much higher in the chassis, plus with a CofG within the engine that's a little higher. It's not really something that worried me on the road to be honest, but it makes itself felt a lot on track, and particularly in my 2-Eleven, which I think was an Elise S1 front end with a heavy supercharged Toyota rear end.
To drive though, in my humble opinion it's not even close; the Lotus is just in a different league. The above small things really are quite small compared to the stark difference in how each car drives down a typical British road. There is no type of driving or circumstance where I would choose the Porsche over the Lotus.
Edited to add: I've not driven the n/a Evora, just two S models (one manual and one IPS).
Which Evora are you referring to here? The 350bhp Evora was slower and less planted than the 981S going off the autocar track shoot out video i watched.. i do think the 400 models look so much better than the early varientsI did find that the Evora had a good brake pedal and yes, it's good to heel and toe in (something I do in all cars, so I find it annoying if it's hard). However, the linearity and precision of the Cayman's pedal I found just that bit better.
With the balance, it's simply a matter of the Cayman have a flat engine down on the car's floor and truly mid-mounted, and all modern Lotuses having an engine that relatively is more rearward and much higher in the chassis, plus with a CofG within the engine that's a little higher. It's not really something that worried me on the road to be honest, but it makes itself felt a lot on track, and particularly in my 2-Eleven, which I think was an Elise S1 front end with a heavy supercharged Toyota rear end.
To drive though, in my humble opinion it's not even close; the Lotus is just in a different league. The above small things really are quite small compared to the stark difference in how each car drives down a typical British road. There is no type of driving or circumstance where I would choose the Porsche over the Lotus.
Edited to add: I've not driven the n/a Evora, just two S models (one manual and one IPS).
Edited by RobM77 on Friday 15th November 14:18
I'm a bit confused by your reply though, as you mention 3 things that I wasn't saying: 1) slower/faster, 2) more/less planted, and 3) looks. I wasn't commenting on any of those things.
The other comments after the question were my two cents on the topic title
, I haven't any real life experience in an Evora i was just commenting on what i've seen from journalist reviewsblueg33 said:
Lee Jones Jnr said:
RobM77 said:
Lee Jones Jnr said:
The service was £2976.26 which included an MOT and whatever it needed doing at the time, bits and bobs.
I always remember being surprised how my Lotus services came out at £500-£1000, even if nothing was really wrong. £3k for nothing much being wrong is horrific!
That includes sending a truck from Exeter to Stafford to collect and return it and the car lost £0 in depreciation so ownership cost was low.
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