Evora v 911

[evo4a]

OK, I may be wrong, I now think it's a beard and "Brainstorming breakfasts", do you have a cardigan?

Edited by evo4a on Sunday 29th November 22:50

[nellyandruby]

lotus mechanic once told me Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious...LOTUS

[Dick Seaman]

nellyandruby said:

lotus mechanic once told me Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious...LOTUS

Firstly, no he didn't.
Secondly, astonished you resurrected a 9 month old thread just to add that.

[heebeegeetee]

Dick Seaman said:

nellyandruby said:

lotus mechanic once told me Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious...LOTUS

Firstly, no he didn't.
Secondly, astonished you resurrected a 9 month old thread just to add that.

To quote a 50 year old joke.

[RobM77]

heebeegeetee said:

Dick Seaman said:

nellyandruby said:

lotus mechanic once told me Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious...LOTUS

Firstly, no he didn't.
Secondly, astonished you resurrected a 9 month old thread just to add that.

To quote a 50 year old joke.

Which is now an anachronism to be quite honest.

[Sumshi]

7500 miles in my Evora - a smile everytime I get in .

[RobM77]

Sumshi said:

7500 miles in my Evora - a smile everytime I get in .

25040 miles in my Elise and every time I drive it I'm saying to myself "this is the best car I've ever driven". I've not driven an Evora yet, but I bet I'd say the same with that. Most cars have annoying faults that you have to put up with, but not the Elise, and I expect not the Evora either.

[DJC]

I check the Evora prices pretty much every month.

Im convinced I will purchase one within the next 12 months, the only question is whether it will be a Launch model with all the goodies via the 2nd hand market/stuck in the dealer system or whether it will be the supercharged/4ltr bad boy released at Paris. Ben is aware of my requirements to purchase the bad boy though, it must be packing 400ponies and be top whack £70k. Anything else and it will be 2nd hand Launch model in 12months.

[RobM77]

DJC said:

I check the Evora prices pretty much every month.

Im convinced I will purchase one within the next 12 months, the only question is whether it will be a Launch model with all the goodies via the 2nd hand market/stuck in the dealer system or whether it will be the supercharged/4ltr bad boy released at Paris. Ben is aware of my requirements to purchase the bad boy though, it must be packing 400ponies and be top whack £70k. Anything else and it will be 2nd hand Launch model in 12months.

I'll own an Evora too within a few years hopefully. I'm put off the launch models because I want a 2+0. I've owned a 2+2 before, and I got sick of people trying to get lifts with me and then moaning about the lack of rear leg room, and sometimes even being forced to pull my driver's seat forward, folding my 36" legs up dangerously for control of the car so they could get comfortable. Never again!

[heebeegeetee]

Saw an Evora exiting Brum on the A38M this afternoon. Twas nice to see it, they're certainly not common.

[DJC]

Benefits of being an acknowledged selfish git...people know Ill simply say tough st when they whinge about leg room.

[Sicob]

evo4a said:

I started this thread, just to confirm after numerous test drives and comparisions etc etc, I bought an Evora.
I really want to enjoy my car and I just didn't get a dorky grin on my face when driving the 911.
I feel like a kid in the Evora, I felt like a pompous business man in the 911.

Horses for courses, but I have had the Evora for 2 months now and not seen another, I reckon I've seen 20 911's today.

I'm in this camp at the moment. Not driven an Evora yet, but had a brand new C4S 911 PDK cabrio for this weekend. I wanted to love it, but just didn't. Coming from lotus Elises / TVR etc I am definitely into a more raw experience. Everything so clinical and calculated in the 911 in this guise. i think the GT3 RS is more me, but I have a feeling the Evora is going to be far more me than a 911 full stop, regardless of the lack of power in the evora i think it'll have the driver involvement that is what Lotus and I am about.

[RobM77]

Sicob said:

evo4a said:

I started this thread, just to confirm after numerous test drives and comparisions etc etc, I bought an Evora.
I really want to enjoy my car and I just didn't get a dorky grin on my face when driving the 911.
I feel like a kid in the Evora, I felt like a pompous business man in the 911.

Horses for courses, but I have had the Evora for 2 months now and not seen another, I reckon I've seen 20 911's today.

I'm in this camp at the moment. Not driven an Evora yet, but had a brand new C4S 911 PDK cabrio for this weekend. I wanted to love it, but just didn't. Coming from lotus Elises / TVR etc I am definitely into a more raw experience. Everything so clinical and calculated in the 911 in this guise. i think the GT3 RS is more me, but I have a feeling the Evora is going to be far more me than a 911 full stop, regardless of the lack of power in the evora i think it'll have the driver involvement that is what Lotus and I am about.

Pretty much my feelings after trying two Cayman Ss. I really wanted to like them, I really did; after all I'm a huge fan of the NSX and love the idea that the Cayman has an even lower CofG, is still light weight (<1400kg), has modern suspension technology etc. However, the reality was accurate but detached steering and a somewhat numb Audi TT like driving experience, and even with the optional sports exhaust, the beautiful flat six sound was orchestrally restrained from somewhere behind me, rather than warming through the entire car. I'd probably grow to like the Cayman on a cerebral level, but even then I doubt I could get over the non linear steering, big stretch out to the steering wheel even with the seat uncomfortably forward, and the laggy DBW throttle. I haven't driven or even been in an Evora yet, but I expect it'll solve all of those problems. After my Cayman S test drive, and my reserved but obvious complaints that it was too refined for me, the salesman sat me in a 996 GT3, and even from just sitting there blipping the throttle, that seemed like much more my sort of car. The trouble is I don't want raw, I just want feelsome and connected, and the two don't have to go hand in hand.

[anonymous-user]

RobM77 said:

I just want feelsome and connected.

good point.

[The Pits]

5 USA said:

RobM77 said:

I just want feelsome and connected.

good point.

It never ceases to depress me how few so-called car 'enthusiasts' get that basic requirement for driving pleasure.

And how few car manufacturers for that matter either.

Beyond Lotus and Jaguar there are very few examples.

Porsche, though I could never own one, have on occasion shown some understanding of this but are so inconsistent. Depriving their smallest, lightest sportscar of feel makes no sense at all. I was also surprised to find superb steering in my Subaru 22B, so it's only fair that they should get a mention but I have no idea what a recent Subaru drives like. For all I know, they've done a 'BMW', and abandoned steering feel completely (comparing original M3 with every other one since). The Lancia Integrale was blessed with lovely steering too.

But really, the list of 'feelsome and connected' cars is so short, is it any wonder the Elise is such a revelation to drive?

[RobM77]

The Pits said:

5 USA said:

RobM77 said:

I just want feelsome and connected.

good point.

It never ceases to depress me how few so-called car 'enthusiasts' get that basic requirement for driving pleasure.

And how few car manufacturers for that matter either.

Beyond Lotus and Jaguar there are very few examples.

Porsche, though I could never own one, have on occasion shown some understanding of this but are so inconsistent. Depriving their smallest, lightest sportscar of feel makes no sense at all. I was also surprised to find superb steering in my Subaru 22B, so it's only fair that they should get a mention but I have no idea what a recent Subaru drives like. For all I know, they've done a 'BMW', and abandoned steering feel completely (comparing original M3 with every other one since). The Lancia Integrale was blessed with lovely steering too.

But really, the list of 'feelsome and connected' cars is so short, is it any wonder the Elise is such a revelation to drive?

I think the Elise would still be wonderful to drive even if other manufacturers changed their game. I've driven a few classics and racing cars as well as modern cars, and the Elise really is something special, compared with any car. Many drivers don't "get" Elises and say they prefer other cars instead, but everyone's got different priorities. If you value feedback, feel, ride and handling the Elise really is something special.

I agree wholeheartedly with you, and others, though about the lack of feel in modern cars. It's a terrible shame that manufacturers these days ruin otherwise good cars by removing the feedback from them. Some people even suggest that the average guy sees steering feel as intrusive and an element of NVH (noise, vibration and harshness). As I said above, what really annoys me is that when a company like Porsche decide to give us feedback and feel we also get a sky high price tag, a load of noise and a trackday special. Maybe it is part of NVH after all? Why else would a comfortable car like the latest 911 C2S or BMW Z4 not have steering feel if it's possible to engineer it in?

I work opposite a BMW office and I often see big "drive outs" where they appear to be testing the latest models. At the wheel are always besuited hair gel laden pretty boys with one hand gripping the wheel far too tightly and the latest sunglasses on. If that's even a part of what defines cars these days, it's no surprise we got more iPod connectors and bluetooth trickery than we do steering feel. Shame, but I guess that must be what most people want? I've often thought that cars of old had so much feel and interaction by accident, rather than by design.

[Raja]

feelsome and connected - good way to describe a gt3 as well as any lotus i've owned.

[RobM77]

Raja said:

feelsome and connected - good way to describe a gt3 as well as any lotus i've owned.

Lotus have put that feel into the Evora, so it's a shame Porsche can't follow suit and put it into the Cayman and 997 C2/S.

[Raja]

i wish lotus would have put a bit more power into the bloody evora and i would have bought one.

[RobM77]

Raja said:

i wish lotus would have put a bit more power into the bloody evora and i would have bought one.

I've often thought there was an invisible force out there preventing cars from being perfect At £50k the Evora is perfect but underpowered, the Cayman S is perfect but devoid of real feel and feedback, and the GTR is immensely fast but 4WD and everything else clever it has going on in the drivetrain

A supercharged Evora will no doubt arrive, but it'l undoubtedly be a lot more expensive.

Given the choice of what's out there, I'm guessing I'd go for an Evora, although I haven't yet driven one (I can imagine what they're like - the reports are all prety much in agreement). I'd rather have a slightly slow car that was amazing to drive than a fast car that wasn't as good to drive (which is why I bought my Elise!).