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RobM77 said:
The Pits said:
The recent boxster I drove last year had very indifferent steering.
Totally no where near the league of the Elise's, which is almost universally recognised as the best steering money can currently buy.
There are endless column inches devoted to how much better the steering on an Evora is to a Cayman's too.
And that's by the likes of Chris Harris.
His comments on the Cayman were made before the Evora was even a twinkle in Roger Becker's eye.
Without wishing to criticise Chris Harris (because I love his writing), car journalists do have a habit of exagerrating or hyping things up, and then re-assessing their opinions later on. Frequently I've researched a car I want to buy by looking through my old Evos and Autocars (I've never thrown a magazine away, and have hundreds!), only to find that in the first drive they rave about it, and then in a later group test they start listing shortcomings, and the ultimate put down comes when a new model comes out and they suddenly reveal things about the car that they never said before - "this could be better" and "that could be better".Totally no where near the league of the Elise's, which is almost universally recognised as the best steering money can currently buy.
There are endless column inches devoted to how much better the steering on an Evora is to a Cayman's too.
And that's by the likes of Chris Harris.
His comments on the Cayman were made before the Evora was even a twinkle in Roger Becker's eye.
I'm not trying to compare the Cayman's feel to an Elise, but I feel it should at least be as good as my old 328i (identical weight and with hydraulic PAS), which it clearly wasn't, and the Cayman is nowhere near as good as Lotuses past, such as the Esprit.
I am a Porsche fan, honest, I'm just realistic about cars and I won't say I like something if I don't.
SS7
I really admired John Barker's journalism, in fact I thought he was the best, until I had a first hand experience of how easily he can be diverted from reporting the facts, and by doing so corrupt motor sport history all for the sake of not upsetting those who provide him with the fodder for a glossy article. For me, after this experience, everything he has ever written, and ever writes has to be questioned.
Very, very sad. He knows exactly what he's done, its totally indefensible, particularly when the piece in question was about the make and model of car that he is most often quoted as being most passionate about.
So for me whatever he thinks of the Evora is worthless, what is of value is what the public think, and judging by the number of used ones for sale, and their invisibility on the roads, the public have spoken !!
Very, very sad. He knows exactly what he's done, its totally indefensible, particularly when the piece in question was about the make and model of car that he is most often quoted as being most passionate about.
So for me whatever he thinks of the Evora is worthless, what is of value is what the public think, and judging by the number of used ones for sale, and their invisibility on the roads, the public have spoken !!
I really admired John Barker's journalism, in fact I thought he was the best, until I had a first hand experience of how easily he can be diverted from reporting the facts, and by doing so corrupt motor sport history all for the sake of not upsetting those who provide him with the fodder for a glossy article. For me, after this experience, everything he has ever written, and ever writes has to be questioned.
Very, very sad. He knows exactly what he's done, its totally indefensible, particularly when the piece in question was about the make and model of car that he is most often quoted as being most passionate about.
So for me whatever he thinks of the Evora is worthless, what is of value is what the public think, and judging by the number of used ones for sale, and their invisibility on the roads, the public have spoken !!
Very, very sad. He knows exactly what he's done, its totally indefensible, particularly when the piece in question was about the make and model of car that he is most often quoted as being most passionate about.
So for me whatever he thinks of the Evora is worthless, what is of value is what the public think, and judging by the number of used ones for sale, and their invisibility on the roads, the public have spoken !!
ravon said:
So for me whatever he thinks of the Evora is worthless, what is of value is what the public think, and judging by the number of used ones for sale, and their invisibility on the roads, the public have spoken !!
How many are you expecting to see on the roads? They are only building 400 a year. Most go abroad. How often do you see a TVR?
justin220 said:
ravon said:
So for me whatever he thinks of the Evora is worthless, what is of value is what the public think, and judging by the number of used ones for sale, and their invisibility on the roads, the public have spoken !!
How many are you expecting to see on the roads? They are only building 400 a year. Most go abroad. How often do you see a TVR?
Lotus were only planning to build 400 in the first year, ramping up to 2000 a year for sale globally, across all variants. We're only just getting the S and Auto models with a convertible next year so they're not included in the current production/sales figures. That initial 400 is split across several markets already so its no surprise they are still a rare sight on UK roads.
Edited by Hedgerley on Sunday 29th August 01:27
bertie said:
justin220 said:
ravon said:
So for me whatever he thinks of the Evora is worthless, what is of value is what the public think, and judging by the number of used ones for sale, and their invisibility on the roads, the public have spoken !!
How many are you expecting to see on the roads? They are only building 400 a year. Most go abroad. How often do you see a TVR?
justin220 said:
bertie said:
justin220 said:
ravon said:
So for me whatever he thinks of the Evora is worthless, what is of value is what the public think, and judging by the number of used ones for sale, and their invisibility on the roads, the public have spoken !!
How many are you expecting to see on the roads? They are only building 400 a year. Most go abroad. How often do you see a TVR?
Because as a supplier to Lotus on the Evora, we were told it was 2000 a year, if I trawl through my mails I have the original build plan which came out with the RFQ (reques for quotation) we got from them, and trust me, it never said 400 a year on ramp up or anywhere else!
Edited by bertie on Sunday 29th August 13:59
This probably is the wrong thread, but I went into a Lotus dealership yesterday to look at the Evora as I am in the market for a car with occasional rear seats. Having owned an Exige I was not expecting the interior to be to Porsche standards and it was not. However, it is so much nicer in the flesh. Quite an imposing car in the right colour and I was quite taken. However, the seats are not usable save perhaps for a toddler who has short legs. There is no way in the world my 6 and 4 year old would fit in.
However, what really shocked me was the conversation I then had. It seems Lotus are moving up market and aside from the most basic Elise, the plan is for the Evora to be entry level. 55k entry level!!! So no more lightweight Sunday cars. Surely that is the Lotus market place. I just do need see the brand as being able to compete on the 100k+ bracket.
However, what really shocked me was the conversation I then had. It seems Lotus are moving up market and aside from the most basic Elise, the plan is for the Evora to be entry level. 55k entry level!!! So no more lightweight Sunday cars. Surely that is the Lotus market place. I just do need see the brand as being able to compete on the 100k+ bracket.
dulicnea - when I looked at an Evora and sat in one I thought that even a 'weeble'
would struggle to sit behind.
I'm 6'2" - but when I came to drive the car - if found I had to move the seat forward
and a pre-teen child would be fine.
Just a point of view - as to how mine changed.
And I for one have never really had my fire lit by a 911 - I am happy to be on my own on this one
but I have friends who have them and I have driven a few C2 / C4s (not a GT3 mind) and they don't
do it for me
would struggle to sit behind.
I'm 6'2" - but when I came to drive the car - if found I had to move the seat forward
and a pre-teen child would be fine.
Just a point of view - as to how mine changed.
And I for one have never really had my fire lit by a 911 - I am happy to be on my own on this one
but I have friends who have them and I have driven a few C2 / C4s (not a GT3 mind) and they don't
do it for me
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