Why so little buzz
Discussion
birdcage said:
To my mind they completely missed a trick, like it or not brand is very important these days.
Saying to the skirt in the office 5 drive a lotus does not cut the mustard, they should have moved the game forward, saying that as me and a mate were discussing last week; if you're a teacher and you wants a sports car its got to be a lotus.
Therefore they are probably very happy.
I'm struggling to make much sense of your post.... One new car is hardly going to change Lotus's image in the mind of the office skirt, is it? That's a longer term issue that clearly Proton is trying to address by hiring all these expensive executives. Saying to the skirt in the office 5 drive a lotus does not cut the mustard, they should have moved the game forward, saying that as me and a mate were discussing last week; if you're a teacher and you wants a sports car its got to be a lotus.
Therefore they are probably very happy.
The Evora is the new ride/handling benchmark - quite an achievement. They haven't missed a trick with the power level; higher power versions have always been in the pipeline and it's commonly how manufacturers develop the product, offering more power and an extended model range at points after the initial launch (another example - AM V8).
justin220 said:
^Exactly. The Evora was never going to change how the 'office skirt' thinks of a Lotus.
If its skirt you're trying to impress, buy a Mini or a TT.
Eh? Much as I like my Cooper company hack for putting a stupid grin on my face every once in a while on otherwise mundane commutes and business trips, it's hardly something I'd boast about when confronted with an especially likeable example of the female species... If its skirt you're trying to impress, buy a Mini or a TT.
justin220 said:
^Exactly. The Evora was never going to change how the 'office skirt' thinks of a Lotus.
If its skirt you're trying to impress, buy a Mini or a TT.
And spend the change on nice clothes, a decent haircut, and if you do get a date, a really good evening out! If its skirt you're trying to impress, buy a Mini or a TT.
I've never understood people that buy cars to impress women; surely women are going to prefer a guy with a five year old 997 C2S who can pay for holidays to the Seychelles and top notch restaurants to a guy with a brand new £50k Cayman who can just about pay for a round 
900T-R said:
justin220 said:
^Exactly. The Evora was never going to change how the 'office skirt' thinks of a Lotus.
If its skirt you're trying to impress, buy a Mini or a TT.
Eh? Much as I like my Cooper company hack for putting a stupid grin on my face every once in a while on otherwise mundane commutes and business trips, it's hardly something I'd boast about when confronted with an especially likeable example of the female species... If its skirt you're trying to impress, buy a Mini or a TT.
justin220 said:
900T-R said:
justin220 said:
^Exactly. The Evora was never going to change how the 'office skirt' thinks of a Lotus.
If its skirt you're trying to impress, buy a Mini or a TT.
Eh? Much as I like my Cooper company hack for putting a stupid grin on my face every once in a while on otherwise mundane commutes and business trips, it's hardly something I'd boast about when confronted with an especially likeable example of the female species... If its skirt you're trying to impress, buy a Mini or a TT.
JJ
Doesn't it depend on whether or not you buy a car to impress people and show them you've 'made it'? If that's what's important to you, you'll buy a brand that you think will do the trick.
How many people buy a sports car for what other people will think, and how many people buy it for the fun they'll have?
How many people buy a sports car for what other people will think, and how many people buy it for the fun they'll have?
beady said:
These people would almost certainly choose a porsche over a lotus good luck to them.
Choose a lotus for yourself and your independance.
Oi, that's what I did! Choose a lotus for yourself and your independance.
But I bought the car for me and its dynamic qualities, certainly not to show off (in fact I am still embarrassed to admit to the 'P' word). Plus an Evora is still well out of my price range right now... 
Please don't tar us all with the same brush!!!JJ
Agree Mark,
They just aren’t selling in the number’s they need to and it doesn't matter if they bring out some special edition it's just too expensive
Drove one up the hill at goodwood and it was cracking, want one but not at 55k or even 50k
Sorry I really don't want to offend but I wouldn't pay any more than 45k
Just have to wait and see what else comes along or buy 2nd hand in a couple of years
Boggy
They just aren’t selling in the number’s they need to and it doesn't matter if they bring out some special edition it's just too expensive
Drove one up the hill at goodwood and it was cracking, want one but not at 55k or even 50k
Sorry I really don't want to offend but I wouldn't pay any more than 45k
Just have to wait and see what else comes along or buy 2nd hand in a couple of years
Boggy
The Supercharged version is being launched in September at the Paris Motorshow, it will be interesting to see what its priced at, and whether us NA owners will eventually get a factory option to S/C our ones like the Elise/Exige.
Price is a strange thing, and was discussing it with a mate recently, and ended up comparing it to a Z4MC. Strange comparison yes, but brand new the Z was £45k+.. The Evora in comparison is £50k, but better spec'd, extra seats, and has the Lotus balance/handling. Bargain really
I'd imagine the Evora S will be somewhere near £65k+ ?
Price is a strange thing, and was discussing it with a mate recently, and ended up comparing it to a Z4MC. Strange comparison yes, but brand new the Z was £45k+.. The Evora in comparison is £50k, but better spec'd, extra seats, and has the Lotus balance/handling. Bargain really
I'd imagine the Evora S will be somewhere near £65k+ ?
justin220 said:
The Supercharged version is being launched in September at the Paris Motorshow, it will be interesting to see what its priced at, and whether us NA owners will eventually get a factory option to S/C our ones like the Elise/Exige.
Price is a strange thing, and was discussing it with a mate recently, and ended up comparing it to a Z4MC. Strange comparison yes, but brand new the Z was £45k+.. The Evora in comparison is £50k, but better spec'd, extra seats, and has the Lotus balance/handling. Bargain really
I'd imagine the Evora S will be somewhere near £65k+ ?
I think it's the performance people can't get their heads around. The Evora is closer to the Z4 3.0 Coupé than the Z4M in performance. Sure, 300bhp and 1300-1400kg may be enough performance for the public road, but I don't think people are saying that the Evora is underpowered, just underpowered for the price.Price is a strange thing, and was discussing it with a mate recently, and ended up comparing it to a Z4MC. Strange comparison yes, but brand new the Z was £45k+.. The Evora in comparison is £50k, but better spec'd, extra seats, and has the Lotus balance/handling. Bargain really
I'd imagine the Evora S will be somewhere near £65k+ ?
Not my opinion, just what I hear people say a lot.
Yeah I agree to a certain extent. I'm absolutely loving mine so far. I so far haven't felt the need for more power. In fact I'd be more tempted by the convertible than the SC if I'm honest.
Thats also coming from an ex T350/Gallardo owner, which were both significantly faster than the Evora.. Both just lacked the handling part IMO
Thats also coming from an ex T350/Gallardo owner, which were both significantly faster than the Evora.. Both just lacked the handling part IMO
Boggy said:
Sorry I really don't want to offend but I wouldn't pay any more than 45k
Just have to wait and see what else comes along or buy 2nd hand in a couple of years
Here we go Just have to wait and see what else comes along or buy 2nd hand in a couple of years
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Edited by saaby93 on Monday 19th July 16:35
hmm but it's not. It's the age old fixation with the headline numbers vs the true pace a car can travel - without driving like your hair is on fire - down a road.
On paper there are many 'faster' cars for the money but in practise you'd be surprised how easy it is to leave them behind. That, along with the fluid ride quality and feedback of the car, is what the magazines have well understood.
If I am given the option of adding a supercharger I probably will. It'll shut the pub bores up.
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I think it's the performance people can't get their heads around. The Evora is closer to the Z4 3.0 Coupé than the Z4M in performance. Sure, 300bhp and 1300-1400kg may be enough performance for the public road, but I don't think people are saying that the Evora is underpowered, just underpowered for the price.
Not my opinion, just what I hear people say a lot.
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On paper there are many 'faster' cars for the money but in practise you'd be surprised how easy it is to leave them behind. That, along with the fluid ride quality and feedback of the car, is what the magazines have well understood.
If I am given the option of adding a supercharger I probably will. It'll shut the pub bores up.
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I think it's the performance people can't get their heads around. The Evora is closer to the Z4 3.0 Coupé than the Z4M in performance. Sure, 300bhp and 1300-1400kg may be enough performance for the public road, but I don't think people are saying that the Evora is underpowered, just underpowered for the price.
Not my opinion, just what I hear people say a lot.
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RobM77 said:
I think it's the performance people can't get their heads around. The Evora is closer to the Z4 3.0 Coupé than the Z4M in performance. Sure, 300bhp and 1300-1400kg may be enough performance for the public road, but I don't think people are saying that the Evora is underpowered, just underpowered for the price.
Not my opinion, just what I hear people say a lot.
Not my opinion, just what I hear people say a lot.
squirejo said:
hmm but it's not. It's the age old fixation with the headline numbers vs the true pace a car can travel - without driving like your hair is on fire - down a road.
On paper there are many 'faster' cars for the money but in practise you'd be surprised how easy it is to leave them behind. That, along with the fluid ride quality and feedback of the car, is what the magazines have well understood.
If I am given the option of adding a supercharger I probably will. It'll shut the pub bores up.
We're not talking about what's faster A to B though, when people say a car's underpowered they mean that they want to feel power under their right foot as a sensation, not a lap time (which is illegal on the road anyway). I drove my Elise fast last night down a B road, and I know exactly what you mean - it would be as fast as another car with twice the bhp/tonne, however my Elise is still slow in a straight line compared to other cars available for the money.On paper there are many 'faster' cars for the money but in practise you'd be surprised how easy it is to leave them behind. That, along with the fluid ride quality and feedback of the car, is what the magazines have well understood.
If I am given the option of adding a supercharger I probably will. It'll shut the pub bores up.
The trouble is perhaps that the Evora goes out of its way to be a civilised sports car - everyone raves about the fluidity of the ride and power delivery, but that doesn't give you the crude kick in the pants that you can get from an old school racer. Watching the infamous Star in a Reasonably Priced Car segment on Top Gear, you know that the most undramatic and calm looking laps are easily the fastest - and it's the ones that have tyre squeal, understear and thrashing gears that are much slower despite all the drama.
If that sort of 'performance' is really what mattered, we would all be comparing it with the Chevrolet Camaro (cheaper, noisier, etc. etc.). But we're not, so clearly out and out muscle isn't actually the be-all and end-all despite the posters who worry about tenths-of-a-second top trumps scores. It's interesting though that Bob Lutz who oversaw the introduction of the current generation Camaro has been signed up to consult at Lotus. Given that the 'base model' Evora is on pace with the Cayman S, the SC might give that psychological gap that some seem to need.
The bottom line though is that you're not going to be embarrassed by the performance of the Evora, and buying the equivalent Porsche would cost you pretty much the same - so it has to come down to a decent test drive in each and to hell with the numbers on paper.
If that sort of 'performance' is really what mattered, we would all be comparing it with the Chevrolet Camaro (cheaper, noisier, etc. etc.). But we're not, so clearly out and out muscle isn't actually the be-all and end-all despite the posters who worry about tenths-of-a-second top trumps scores. It's interesting though that Bob Lutz who oversaw the introduction of the current generation Camaro has been signed up to consult at Lotus. Given that the 'base model' Evora is on pace with the Cayman S, the SC might give that psychological gap that some seem to need.
The bottom line though is that you're not going to be embarrassed by the performance of the Evora, and buying the equivalent Porsche would cost you pretty much the same - so it has to come down to a decent test drive in each and to hell with the numbers on paper.
Edited by Tuna on Tuesday 20th July 17:13
Tuna said:
The trouble is perhaps that the Evora goes out of its way to be a civilised sports car - everyone raves about the fluidity of the ride and power delivery, but that doesn't give you the crude kick in the pants that you can get from an old school racer. Watching the infamous Star in a Reasonably Priced Car segment on Top Gear, you know that the most undramatic and calm looking laps are easily the fastest - and it's the ones that have tyre squeal, understear and thrashing gears that are much slower despite all the drama.
If that sort of 'performance' is really what mattered, we would all be comparing it with the Chevrolet Camaro (cheaper, noisier, etc. etc.). But we're not, so clearly out and out muscle isn't actually the be-all and end-all despite the posters who worry about tenths-of-a-second top trumps scores. It's interesting though that Bob Lutz who oversaw the introduction of the current generation Camaro has been signed up to consult at Lotus. Given that the 'base model' Evora is on pace with the Cayman S, the SC might give that psychological gap that some seem to need.
The bottom line though is that you're not going to be embarrassed by the performance of the Evora, and buying the equivalent Porsche would cost you pretty much the same - so it has to come down to a decent test drive in each and to hell with the numbers on paper.
If that sort of 'performance' is really what mattered, we would all be comparing it with the Chevrolet Camaro (cheaper, noisier, etc. etc.). But we're not, so clearly out and out muscle isn't actually the be-all and end-all despite the posters who worry about tenths-of-a-second top trumps scores. It's interesting though that Bob Lutz who oversaw the introduction of the current generation Camaro has been signed up to consult at Lotus. Given that the 'base model' Evora is on pace with the Cayman S, the SC might give that psychological gap that some seem to need.
The bottom line though is that you're not going to be embarrassed by the performance of the Evora, and buying the equivalent Porsche would cost you pretty much the same - so it has to come down to a decent test drive in each and to hell with the numbers on paper.
Edited by Tuna on Tuesday 20th July 17:13
That's precisely how I think. Only once in my life have I had a £50k budget for this sort of car (I changed my mind and went racing instead), and I was dissapointed by the Cayman S. The Evora wasn't out at the time, but I have a very strong suspicion that I would absolutely love it.Gassing Station | Evora | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff