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Tuna said:
NoelWatson said:
For a non supercharged engine?
No, the S will be a blown engine - there's apparently room in the design for twin chargers, but it seems likely it'll be a single unit. Hopefully they'll take it to at least 350bhp to make a clear difference between the S and the base model.The official specs for the Evora S look fantastic - just what was required. Reading some of the back to back tests that used the base model suggests that the S will be a stunner to drive.
For comparison, the Cayman weighs about the same (once you get over the whole dry weight/unfuelled v's wet and driver weight thing) - or slightly more if you believe in this road test http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/reviews/compa.... And my Excel weighs about 50 kilos less once you've drained the puddle out of the driver's footwell - and is 100+ bhp down on the standard Evora.
Other than that, does it matter? The Evora isn't a racer, it's a GT. The 0-100 time is respectable and a top speed of 175 (in a package that will allow you to listen to the radio at motorway speeds, unlike the Elise) is all good. In one American test round a small race circuit, the base Evora lapped about two tenths slower than the Cayman S, so it looks like the S should be pretty competitive.
Redlake27 said:
Can I be the first of many to post...... 1437kgs!!!!!! ??????
That's what you get when you 'dial out' the NVH of a stripped bare Elise - more weight. More important in performance terms are details like chassis stiffness and power to weight. For comparison, the Cayman weighs about the same (once you get over the whole dry weight/unfuelled v's wet and driver weight thing) - or slightly more if you believe in this road test http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/reviews/compa.... And my Excel weighs about 50 kilos less once you've drained the puddle out of the driver's footwell - and is 100+ bhp down on the standard Evora.
Other than that, does it matter? The Evora isn't a racer, it's a GT. The 0-100 time is respectable and a top speed of 175 (in a package that will allow you to listen to the radio at motorway speeds, unlike the Elise) is all good. In one American test round a small race circuit, the base Evora lapped about two tenths slower than the Cayman S, so it looks like the S should be pretty competitive.
Edited by Tuna on Friday 27th August 10:58
If it looked like this I'd settle for 1400+kgs and 340bhp.
I share the view that the way it drives is what counts, not the spec sheet. The Esprit V8 I had was a rocketship with 350bhp (every inch as quick as a 400bhp skyline R34 GTR, I know because I owned both at the same time and had them side by side on the motorway a number of times) so I think the performance will be impressive. I also think an Evora should be indecently rapid but not scary quick. A lotus should feel measured and totally in control at all times. For some strange reason I find myself not advocating 500+bhp. However I wouldn't say no to 400... and I've a feeling the Evora could comfortably cope with that too.
There's a good chance it won't be a huge amount more than the standard car. There look to be very few changes aside from the engine. If so I'm very confident the Evora S will be a fine car. Just, please, Lotus give it those carbon bits (the roof alone could save near 10kgs). The standard car serves your more conservative customers well, now give the S some welly.
And while you're at it do whatever it takes to get hold of that V10 Lexus engine for the new Esprit.
I share the view that the way it drives is what counts, not the spec sheet. The Esprit V8 I had was a rocketship with 350bhp (every inch as quick as a 400bhp skyline R34 GTR, I know because I owned both at the same time and had them side by side on the motorway a number of times) so I think the performance will be impressive. I also think an Evora should be indecently rapid but not scary quick. A lotus should feel measured and totally in control at all times. For some strange reason I find myself not advocating 500+bhp. However I wouldn't say no to 400... and I've a feeling the Evora could comfortably cope with that too.
There's a good chance it won't be a huge amount more than the standard car. There look to be very few changes aside from the engine. If so I'm very confident the Evora S will be a fine car. Just, please, Lotus give it those carbon bits (the roof alone could save near 10kgs). The standard car serves your more conservative customers well, now give the S some welly.
And while you're at it do whatever it takes to get hold of that V10 Lexus engine for the new Esprit.
"And while you're at it do whatever it takes to get hold of that V10 Lexus engine for the new Esprit."
You may get your wish - this 'rumour' is gaining some momentum. When I went to a preview of the Evora at my local dealer before the launch I had a long chat with the Lotus staff present about the new Esprit. Through a series of cagey yes/no answers I concluded that they had dropped the BMW V8 a few months earlier but as the design had been signed off they were having to redesign engine and gearbox mountings etc. for the new drivetrain package. My suggestion of the Toyota V10 and V8 was deemed to be a 'logical' choice...
Evo trailed this solution way back in May 2009.
You may get your wish - this 'rumour' is gaining some momentum. When I went to a preview of the Evora at my local dealer before the launch I had a long chat with the Lotus staff present about the new Esprit. Through a series of cagey yes/no answers I concluded that they had dropped the BMW V8 a few months earlier but as the design had been signed off they were having to redesign engine and gearbox mountings etc. for the new drivetrain package. My suggestion of the Toyota V10 and V8 was deemed to be a 'logical' choice...
Evo trailed this solution way back in May 2009.
Edited by Hedgerley on Wednesday 1st September 18:51
To me sounds like it'll be a damn fine car. 0-60 in 4.6 secs would have been simply incredible not that long ago and if we're honest it's fast enough. I hardly ever got to use the full performance of my M3 and that was quoted at 0-60 in 4.8s and always felt quick.
As long as the increased weight doesn't blunt the handling too much, it'll be an awesome car!
As long as the increased weight doesn't blunt the handling too much, it'll be an awesome car!
Hedgerley said:
"And while you're at it do whatever it takes to get hold of that V10 Lexus engine for the new Esprit."
You may get your wish - this 'rumour' is gaining some momentum. When I went to a preview of the Evora at my local dealer before the launch I had a long chat with the Lotus staff present about the new Esprit. Through a series of cagey yes/no answers I concluded that they had dropped the BMW V8 a few months earlier but as the design had been signed off they were having to redesign engine and gearbox mountings etc. for the new drivetrain package. My suggestion of the Toyota V10 and V8 was deemed to be a 'logical' choice...
Evo trailed this solution way back in May 2009.
Wouldn't the V10 be a little out of the price range given the price of the LFA? You may get your wish - this 'rumour' is gaining some momentum. When I went to a preview of the Evora at my local dealer before the launch I had a long chat with the Lotus staff present about the new Esprit. Through a series of cagey yes/no answers I concluded that they had dropped the BMW V8 a few months earlier but as the design had been signed off they were having to redesign engine and gearbox mountings etc. for the new drivetrain package. My suggestion of the Toyota V10 and V8 was deemed to be a 'logical' choice...
Evo trailed this solution way back in May 2009.
Edited by Hedgerley on Wednesday 1st September 18:51
Ed. said:
Wouldn't the V10 be a little out of the price range given the price of the LFA?
The evidence is that the Esprit replacement is going to cost something like £160K+ so it's not inconceivable that it will have the LFA engine. Lotus are trying to produce a supercar, and want to be seen to be competing against Mclaren, Ferrari and Lamborghini - so we're not going to see a car that costs 80K.I'll place good money that when the price of the Esprit is announced, this forum will be flooded with hundreds of posts reading "How much? They've got to be joking!!".
They're already saying that about the Evora!
I seriously hope, if they do go top-end supercar with the Esprit and get that amazing toyota V10 (the best thing about the LFA) that it stays under £120k. That would help establish Lotus as a top-drawer supercar maker but give the Esprit some breathing space below the increasingly crowded £150-200k sector. McLaren performance for £50k less is a reasonable proposition. Lotus beating Ferrari/McLaren at their own game, less so.
Generally though I'm horrified by the prices of 2nd tier supercars now. They seem so out of touch with the times. I still think no-one should ever have to pay over £100k for a fast car and if you do, it should be the most exceptional, life affirming thing you've ever driven and set eyes upon (ideally depreciation proof too!). None of the current cars nudging £200k offer. Not to me at least.
I think my current absolute limit I'd be prepared to stretch to (without a lottery win) is £120k. It smarts a bit even typing that, never mind signing the cheque! And the Esprit better have that LFA V10 in it for that too. I'm not paying a penny over £100k for an ISF 5.0 V8 engined Esprit. I'll take an Evora S instead and spend the rest on tuning mods and extravagant driving holidays round Europe!
I seriously hope, if they do go top-end supercar with the Esprit and get that amazing toyota V10 (the best thing about the LFA) that it stays under £120k. That would help establish Lotus as a top-drawer supercar maker but give the Esprit some breathing space below the increasingly crowded £150-200k sector. McLaren performance for £50k less is a reasonable proposition. Lotus beating Ferrari/McLaren at their own game, less so.
Generally though I'm horrified by the prices of 2nd tier supercars now. They seem so out of touch with the times. I still think no-one should ever have to pay over £100k for a fast car and if you do, it should be the most exceptional, life affirming thing you've ever driven and set eyes upon (ideally depreciation proof too!). None of the current cars nudging £200k offer. Not to me at least.
I think my current absolute limit I'd be prepared to stretch to (without a lottery win) is £120k. It smarts a bit even typing that, never mind signing the cheque! And the Esprit better have that LFA V10 in it for that too. I'm not paying a penny over £100k for an ISF 5.0 V8 engined Esprit. I'll take an Evora S instead and spend the rest on tuning mods and extravagant driving holidays round Europe!
The Pits said:
Generally though I'm horrified by the prices of 2nd tier supercars now. They seem so out of touch with the times. I still think no-one should ever have to pay over £100k for a fast car and if you do, it should be the most exceptional, life affirming thing you've ever driven and set eyes upon (ideally depreciation proof too!). None of the current cars nudging £200k offer. Not to me at least!
I think the opposite. The prices are in touch with the times, and super cars are reverting back to what they used to be - lower volume and more exclusive pricing. The last few years, anyone with a good job could get finance and buy a 430 or a Gallardo. now they can't, so will only be those who can pay for them who will be target market. If you can't sell as many, the price has to go up. It's a different question as to how life affirming they are. To my mind, they are all getting too big (especially too wide) and too fast for the road. I drove a 328gts a couple of weeks ago, and it was much more fun than a new supercar which uses 20% of it's potential on the road, (and yet, is still not up to hard track driving). Traction control, ESP, launch control, paddles and 600bhp are where it's at, but I'm not convinced it where it should be at!
Edited by footsoldier on Friday 3rd September 21:38
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