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Da Original Whyayedee said:
I think most of the Anfield mob were praying for the prodigal son to do well for you then nab him when klippety buggers off. Turns out he’s s
t and a fraud…. excellent work 
Pretty sure Liverpool fans don't care,seems to bother returning oppsition fans though.t and a fraud…. excellent work PurpleTurtle said:
Lots of talks linking us with Thomas Frank from Brentford. I like and respect him, but I think the Premier League should ban the poaching of other teams' coaches within season.
Totally agree with this, feel sorry for eg Brighton having their manager getting nicked by CFC mid-seasonPurpleTurtle said:
I see a few journos online saying things to the effect of 'Poch might not want the job now it's a relegation fight'.
That irritates me if true, the whole charade of Moneyball. What do managers expect for their £XX million a year, a guaranteed top six finish?
Would you if you had a choice? Poch has enough cash to never need to work, has just left PSG. Does he want a dogfight with limited resources vs a United type opportunity (loads of funds, under-performing, be a hero) or the next guaranteed success (a la Bayern or PSG)That irritates me if true, the whole charade of Moneyball. What do managers expect for their £XX million a year, a guaranteed top six finish?
Adam. said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Lots of talks linking us with Thomas Frank from Brentford. I like and respect him, but I think the Premier League should ban the poaching of other teams' coaches within season.
Totally agree with this, feel sorry for eg Brighton having their manager getting nicked by CFC mid-seasonPurpleTurtle said:
I see a few journos online saying things to the effect of 'Poch might not want the job now it's a relegation fight'.
That irritates me if true, the whole charade of Moneyball. What do managers expect for their £XX million a year, a guaranteed top six finish?
Would you if you had a choice? Poch has enough cash to never need to work, has just left PSG. Does he want a dogfight with limited resources vs a United type opportunity (loads of funds, under-performing, be a hero) or the next guaranteed success (a la Bayern or PSG)That irritates me if true, the whole charade of Moneyball. What do managers expect for their £XX million a year, a guaranteed top six finish?
I still don't think Villa get him or Tuchel or a manager of their level.
Wonder whose on the list to replace Gerrard then? I've seen a couple of suggestions of Tedesco, who managed Leipzig last season. He's young and fits the 'Gerrard' mould they went for this time last year. Hiring on potential doesn't seem a good idea given the situation.
I think we need someone more experienced. I just want to see some improvement and run away from the relegation fight ASAP. Would love a cup run too, but that's probably asking too much given we're away to Man U in the Carabao.
Watching MOTD now.
Villa players look completely different. They weren't behind Gerrard were they?
The pointing to the head after scoring goals to suggest think I thought was a message.
Is this going to be a case where the caretaker manager gets the job on the basis of a backlash, or will Villa go for a big name?
Villa players look completely different. They weren't behind Gerrard were they?
The pointing to the head after scoring goals to suggest think I thought was a message.
Is this going to be a case where the caretaker manager gets the job on the basis of a backlash, or will Villa go for a big name?
Zero7 said:
Fraud of a manager, Beale was the real manager / coach, get him gone ASAP
The slump in form for Villa and the rise in that for QPR doesn't look like a coincidence to me.From where I sit in Loftus Road, Beale has improved all of the players and has transformed the squad's overall performance without spending any actual money; he brought in three free's and four loans and a third of the way through the season QPR are sitting top of the Championship.
I'm not saying QPR will end up there but Beale has so far found away to get ahead of the teams with the 10 x the squad budget.
We love him here and will try to hold onto him for as long as possible before, inevitably, he gets the offer to go somewhere much bigger.
My phone went haywire during the game! I had mates sitting in three sides of the ground, all of them sending me video clips of the goals, absolutely outstanding.
Dropping McGinn and giving Martinez the captaincy was a big move. I've long been saying to mates that, much as we love SJM for his work rate and what he did for us getting promoted, is he a top level PL midfielder? Will be interesting to see how he reacts to being dropped.
Dropping McGinn and giving Martinez the captaincy was a big move. I've long been saying to mates that, much as we love SJM for his work rate and what he did for us getting promoted, is he a top level PL midfielder? Will be interesting to see how he reacts to being dropped.
I think it is clear to anyone who has been paying attention that Beale was the brains of the operation with Gerrard being the "face" of things. Beale got to the point where he no longer needed Gerrard, but Gerrard still needed him.
I'm not sure the players weren't playing for him so much as the poor team selection, fascination with McGinn, and the inability to use substitutions or make in-game changes left the players in a system that didn't work and where they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing, or couldn't do it because it was unrealistic.
It's not just "new manager, players are now trying", the system has changed, players were playing in their favoured positions, with a simple and effective shape. The non-performing players were dropped and everyone knew their job.
It shows what the squad is capable of achieving, and that the season is not a write-off or relegation battle just yet. Mid table/top half is still achievable (albeit difficult)
It makes it even more frustrating that we persevered with Gerrard for so long. His mates in the media are STILL saying how he needed more time and we were wrong to sack him so quickly. We clearly weren't!
I'm not sure the players weren't playing for him so much as the poor team selection, fascination with McGinn, and the inability to use substitutions or make in-game changes left the players in a system that didn't work and where they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing, or couldn't do it because it was unrealistic.
It's not just "new manager, players are now trying", the system has changed, players were playing in their favoured positions, with a simple and effective shape. The non-performing players were dropped and everyone knew their job.
It shows what the squad is capable of achieving, and that the season is not a write-off or relegation battle just yet. Mid table/top half is still achievable (albeit difficult)
It makes it even more frustrating that we persevered with Gerrard for so long. His mates in the media are STILL saying how he needed more time and we were wrong to sack him so quickly. We clearly weren't!
Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Monday 24th October 19:45
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
I think it is clear to anyone who has been paying attention that Beale was the brains of the operation with Gerrard being the "face" of things. Beale got to the point where he no longer needed Gerrard, but Gerrard still needed him.
I'm not sure the players weren't playing for him so much as the poor team selection, fascination with McGinn, and the inability to use substitutions or make in-game changes left the players in a system that didn't work and where they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing, or couldn't do it because it was unrealistic.
It's not just "new manager, players are now trying", the system has changed, players were playing in their favoured positions, with a simple and effective shape. The non-performing players were dropped and everyone knew their job.
It shows what the squad is capable of achieving, and that the season is not a write-off or relegation battle just yet. Mid table/top half is still achievable (albeit difficult)
At QPR, Beale's in-game substitutions have generally been very effective sometimes inspired. It's really noticeable as the previous manager(s) were generally very bad at it.I'm not sure the players weren't playing for him so much as the poor team selection, fascination with McGinn, and the inability to use substitutions or make in-game changes left the players in a system that didn't work and where they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing, or couldn't do it because it was unrealistic.
It's not just "new manager, players are now trying", the system has changed, players were playing in their favoured positions, with a simple and effective shape. The non-performing players were dropped and everyone knew their job.
It shows what the squad is capable of achieving, and that the season is not a write-off or relegation battle just yet. Mid table/top half is still achievable (albeit difficult)
Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Monday 24th October 19:45
The players seem very happy and they seemed to have bought into Beale's methods right from the start. They talk a lot about "trusting the system" and, unlike last season, their heads don't drop when they concede a goal; they hust get on doing all the things that make a QPFR goal more likely to happen.
He seems to be able to make complex in-game decisions easy for the players and in turn they're playing with more confidence and freedom.
So, yes, sounds like Gerrard was more the face and Beale the brains at Rangers and Villa.
It'll be interesting to see how Umurai (sp?) gets on. He should be able to get a tune out of Villa's squad I would have thought?
AC43 said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
I think it is clear to anyone who has been paying attention that Beale was the brains of the operation with Gerrard being the "face" of things. Beale got to the point where he no longer needed Gerrard, but Gerrard still needed him.
I'm not sure the players weren't playing for him so much as the poor team selection, fascination with McGinn, and the inability to use substitutions or make in-game changes left the players in a system that didn't work and where they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing, or couldn't do it because it was unrealistic.
It's not just "new manager, players are now trying", the system has changed, players were playing in their favoured positions, with a simple and effective shape. The non-performing players were dropped and everyone knew their job.
It shows what the squad is capable of achieving, and that the season is not a write-off or relegation battle just yet. Mid table/top half is still achievable (albeit difficult)
At QPR, Beale's in-game substitutions have generally been very effective sometimes inspired. It's really noticeable as the previous manager(s) were generally very bad at it.I'm not sure the players weren't playing for him so much as the poor team selection, fascination with McGinn, and the inability to use substitutions or make in-game changes left the players in a system that didn't work and where they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing, or couldn't do it because it was unrealistic.
It's not just "new manager, players are now trying", the system has changed, players were playing in their favoured positions, with a simple and effective shape. The non-performing players were dropped and everyone knew their job.
It shows what the squad is capable of achieving, and that the season is not a write-off or relegation battle just yet. Mid table/top half is still achievable (albeit difficult)
Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Monday 24th October 19:45
The players seem very happy and they seemed to have bought into Beale's methods right from the start. They talk a lot about "trusting the system" and, unlike last season, their heads don't drop when they concede a goal; they hust get on doing all the things that make a QPFR goal more likely to happen.
He seems to be able to make complex in-game decisions easy for the players and in turn they're playing with more confidence and freedom.
So, yes, sounds like Gerrard was more the face and Beale the brains at Rangers and Villa.
It'll be interesting to see how Umurai (sp?) gets on. He should be able to get a tune out of Villa's squad I would have thought?
Emery is a statement of intent from the owners and comes in with an excellent CV, and an excellent reputation. I have a lot of confidence that he will be great for Villa. The squad is a lot better than result to date would imply, so i am expecting an exciting second half to the season. I hope I am right.
Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Wednesday 16th November 18:05
ChocolateFrog said:
Unai Emry.
Hardly inspiring.
I'm quite pleased with this. His CV is excellent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unai_EmeryHardly inspiring.
Wiki said:
At Sevilla, Emery won an unprecedented three consecutive Europa Leagues, and moved to French club Paris Saint-Germain in 2016.
There, he won a Ligue 1 title, two Coupe de France titles, two Coupe de la Ligues, and two Trophée des Champions, which included a domestic quadruple in his second season.
After the expiry of his contract, Emery was appointed as head coach of English club Arsenal in 2018, succeeding Arsène Wenger.
He finished Europa League runner-up in his first season, before being dismissed in November 2019 after a series of poor results.
He was hired by Villarreal in July 2020, where he won the Europa League in his first season and guided the club to a Champions League semi-final run in the following season
Not entirely sure how inspiring you want, for a club that was teetering on the edge of the bottom three on goals scored on Sunday morning.There, he won a Ligue 1 title, two Coupe de France titles, two Coupe de la Ligues, and two Trophée des Champions, which included a domestic quadruple in his second season.
After the expiry of his contract, Emery was appointed as head coach of English club Arsenal in 2018, succeeding Arsène Wenger.
He finished Europa League runner-up in his first season, before being dismissed in November 2019 after a series of poor results.
He was hired by Villarreal in July 2020, where he won the Europa League in his first season and guided the club to a Champions League semi-final run in the following season
His problem at Arsenal was simply that he wasn't Arsene Wenger, he was always on a hiding to nothing. Anyone superceding a legendary manager is going to get that - see anyone who has followed Fergie at Man U.
Win rates at Arsenal: Wenger 58%, Emery 55%. He's hardly the 'failure' that any disgruntled Gooner would have people believe.
I say we need to get behind him and support him. Most importanly for me he comes with a good track record as a manager, Slippy Steve dind't have that.
PurpleTurtle said:
He's hardly the 'failure' that any disgruntled Gooner would have people believe.
I'm not sure any Gooners saw him as a failure, he inherited a massive ststorm of bad attitude, huge egos and indiscipline within the club playing squad which anyone would have struggled to sort out quickly, and only just failed by one point to get in the champions league and to the Europe league final. Its taken Arteta nearly 3 years and almost an entire squad change to put right.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff