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One day just outside Glasgow, the seven dwarfs went off to work in the coal mine, while Snow White stayed at home as usual to cook their lunch.
However, when she went to the mine to deliver their lunches, she found there had been a cave-in, and there was no sign of the dwarfs.
Tearfully, Snow White shouted down the mine shaft: 'Hello - is anyone there. Can you hear me, Bashful, Doc, Dopey, Happy, Grumpy or Sneezy?' (She knew it would be no good calling Sleepy.)
Then a voice floated up from the bowels of the mine: 'Sevco will be back in the SPL within 4 seasons!' Thank God!' said Snow White, 'at least Dopey's still alive!'
However, when she went to the mine to deliver their lunches, she found there had been a cave-in, and there was no sign of the dwarfs.
Tearfully, Snow White shouted down the mine shaft: 'Hello - is anyone there. Can you hear me, Bashful, Doc, Dopey, Happy, Grumpy or Sneezy?' (She knew it would be no good calling Sleepy.)
Then a voice floated up from the bowels of the mine: 'Sevco will be back in the SPL within 4 seasons!' Thank God!' said Snow White, 'at least Dopey's still alive!'
Not been in this thread for quite a while, I see there are still a few obsessed Penn State FC supporters hanging around..
Anyway.. good to see that David Templeton and Ian Black will be returning to the squad this weekend. Really need to sort out the away form. Players attitude? Managers tactics? Who knows. The long ball nonsense when away really has to stop though, frustrating to watch!
Anyway.. good to see that David Templeton and Ian Black will be returning to the squad this weekend. Really need to sort out the away form. Players attitude? Managers tactics? Who knows. The long ball nonsense when away really has to stop though, frustrating to watch!
TBH I'd consider keep Fraser Aird on the left as he's looking confident just now, and let Temps come off the bench for a bit of impact, for his first game back at least.
And should Black displace MacLeod at centre mid? I'm not sure.
Decent bit of competition about the ranks, which is pleasing
And should Black displace MacLeod at centre mid? I'm not sure.
Decent bit of competition about the ranks, which is pleasing
Opening Pandora’s Box
October 3, 2012 · by bill mcmurdo
Both Alastair Johnston and Jim Traynor have given ammunition to Rangers fans in recent times.
I am speaking of what both men referred to – the possibility of side or off-book payments to football players in the SPL over and above their playing contracts.
Image rights – mentioned by both men – do not constitute payment for footballing services so are not moderated by the SPL. However, it is possible to fiddle image rights to mask payment for playing and HMRC are currently probing this in the game, along with the far wider problem for them that image rights can be used to avoid paying tax.
This particularly applies to foreign players with agents based abroad.
It would appear that both Johnston and Traynor may know of instances where image rights have been misused or abused, especially Johnston.
Are we really to believe that other clubs in the SPL are so squeaky clean that they have not breached SPL rules in paying players?
Ever?
Both Traynor and Johnston advocate a thorough investigation of all contractual dealings involving every player in the SPL – something which no football fan who wants integrity and equity in the game could possibly object to.
The cost of this investigation – which should become a regular monitoring process – may be substantial but, given the witch hunt conducted by the SFA and SPL against Rangers, the Ibrox club and its fans can rightly demand that the same enthusiasm now be shown in investigating the contracts of other clubs’ players.
Maybe even the BBC, which loves a good investigation – unless it happens to be into the criminal activities of its childrens’ TV presenters – could probe into how players of every other SPL club are paid.
The big problem with the SPL is that both it and the SFA are now hopelessly compromised organisations – some would say corrupt.
So any investigation into SPL member clubs is likely to either not go deep enough or to whitewash and cover up any wrongdoings discovered.
In short, the SFA and SPL should themselves be investigated, along with SPL member clubs.
Rangers fans – and other concerned people – may feel the time is now right to ask for a full inquiry into the dealings of the cabal that presently runs Scottish football.
A tactful letter to the local MP and/or MSP may be the very thing that Rangers fans could do to ask for such an official inquiry.
Media outlets could also be lobbied to use their powers of investigation and really go after the truth in terms of what’s really going on in Scottish football.
Of course, they would have to be careful not to tread on the toes of the police officers who are presently looking into matters surrounding the Rangers crisis.
If what I am told is correct, then Rangers fans’ fears that the corruption within the game will not be exposed are misplaced.
The situation in Scottish football now is that so much has been made of the apparent guilt of Rangers as regards to EBTs and side letters that it would only take one instance of off-book payments made by another SPL club for the whole system to come crashing down.
Who in their right mind would bet no such payments have been made?
Admittedly, with a corrupt SPL or at least one that would happily cover up such payments, then the truth might be hidden from the public.
Which is why we need the whole system investigated.
As always, in the interests of sporting integrity, of course.
Football has always been a murky business, a brown-envelope and biscuit tin culture.
Even schoolkids in the playground are aware of this.
No club wants its every fiscal detail scrutinised and investigated forensically.
But in conducting the Inquisition against Rangers FC, clubs in the SPL may just have opened the door to such a scenario, where every penny must be accounted for to HMRC.
Of course, clubs that are squeaky clean need not fear this.
Fans of other teams can help in clearing up Scottish football by asking their own team’s officials if they have anything to hide.
After all, we all know how much they are sticklers for sporting integrity, those non-Rangers football supporters.
The simple truth is that in going after Rangers over EBTs and side letters, the SPL and its member clubs have opened Pandora’s Box.
Question is, can they live with it?
October 3, 2012 · by bill mcmurdo
Both Alastair Johnston and Jim Traynor have given ammunition to Rangers fans in recent times.
I am speaking of what both men referred to – the possibility of side or off-book payments to football players in the SPL over and above their playing contracts.
Image rights – mentioned by both men – do not constitute payment for footballing services so are not moderated by the SPL. However, it is possible to fiddle image rights to mask payment for playing and HMRC are currently probing this in the game, along with the far wider problem for them that image rights can be used to avoid paying tax.
This particularly applies to foreign players with agents based abroad.
It would appear that both Johnston and Traynor may know of instances where image rights have been misused or abused, especially Johnston.
Are we really to believe that other clubs in the SPL are so squeaky clean that they have not breached SPL rules in paying players?
Ever?
Both Traynor and Johnston advocate a thorough investigation of all contractual dealings involving every player in the SPL – something which no football fan who wants integrity and equity in the game could possibly object to.
The cost of this investigation – which should become a regular monitoring process – may be substantial but, given the witch hunt conducted by the SFA and SPL against Rangers, the Ibrox club and its fans can rightly demand that the same enthusiasm now be shown in investigating the contracts of other clubs’ players.
Maybe even the BBC, which loves a good investigation – unless it happens to be into the criminal activities of its childrens’ TV presenters – could probe into how players of every other SPL club are paid.
The big problem with the SPL is that both it and the SFA are now hopelessly compromised organisations – some would say corrupt.
So any investigation into SPL member clubs is likely to either not go deep enough or to whitewash and cover up any wrongdoings discovered.
In short, the SFA and SPL should themselves be investigated, along with SPL member clubs.
Rangers fans – and other concerned people – may feel the time is now right to ask for a full inquiry into the dealings of the cabal that presently runs Scottish football.
A tactful letter to the local MP and/or MSP may be the very thing that Rangers fans could do to ask for such an official inquiry.
Media outlets could also be lobbied to use their powers of investigation and really go after the truth in terms of what’s really going on in Scottish football.
Of course, they would have to be careful not to tread on the toes of the police officers who are presently looking into matters surrounding the Rangers crisis.
If what I am told is correct, then Rangers fans’ fears that the corruption within the game will not be exposed are misplaced.
The situation in Scottish football now is that so much has been made of the apparent guilt of Rangers as regards to EBTs and side letters that it would only take one instance of off-book payments made by another SPL club for the whole system to come crashing down.
Who in their right mind would bet no such payments have been made?
Admittedly, with a corrupt SPL or at least one that would happily cover up such payments, then the truth might be hidden from the public.
Which is why we need the whole system investigated.
As always, in the interests of sporting integrity, of course.
Football has always been a murky business, a brown-envelope and biscuit tin culture.
Even schoolkids in the playground are aware of this.
No club wants its every fiscal detail scrutinised and investigated forensically.
But in conducting the Inquisition against Rangers FC, clubs in the SPL may just have opened the door to such a scenario, where every penny must be accounted for to HMRC.
Of course, clubs that are squeaky clean need not fear this.
Fans of other teams can help in clearing up Scottish football by asking their own team’s officials if they have anything to hide.
After all, we all know how much they are sticklers for sporting integrity, those non-Rangers football supporters.
The simple truth is that in going after Rangers over EBTs and side letters, the SPL and its member clubs have opened Pandora’s Box.
Question is, can they live with it?
doogz said:
So, basically, Rangers got caught breaking the rules wrt EBTs. But 'surely we're not to believe it was only Rangers that were at it'
So since there's actually absolutely no proof that anyone else has done anything wrong, lets suggest the BBC carries out one of their investigations at the tax-payers expense, because 'they're bitter that they got caught and no-one else is at it.
Fortunately, even the BBC isn't stupid enough to read that and think "Hey, there's a plan, lets get in amongst that" but the fact that he even suggests it is ludicrous.
Don't know the ins and outs, what about that Juninho boy? Thought I may have read some propaganda that an undeclared payment was made, but not investigated because the money changed hands after his contract finished So since there's actually absolutely no proof that anyone else has done anything wrong, lets suggest the BBC carries out one of their investigations at the tax-payers expense, because 'they're bitter that they got caught and no-one else is at it.
Fortunately, even the BBC isn't stupid enough to read that and think "Hey, there's a plan, lets get in amongst that" but the fact that he even suggests it is ludicrous.
simonjunior831 said:
stevoknevo said:
Scrubs said:
Not been in this thread for quite a while, I see there are still a few obsessed Penn State FC supporters hanging around..
Using child sex abuse to point score has got f
k all to do with football 
However, as I said previously, using child sex abuse as a cheap point scorer is beyond the pale and quite abhorrent to every right-minded individual
simoid said:
doogz said:
So, basically, Rangers got caught breaking the rules wrt EBTs. But 'surely we're not to believe it was only Rangers that were at it'
So since there's actually absolutely no proof that anyone else has done anything wrong, lets suggest the BBC carries out one of their investigations at the tax-payers expense, because 'they're bitter that they got caught and no-one else is at it.
Fortunately, even the BBC isn't stupid enough to read that and think "Hey, there's a plan, lets get in amongst that" but the fact that he even suggests it is ludicrous.
Don't know the ins and outs, what about that Juninho boy? Thought I may have read some propaganda that an undeclared payment was made, but not investigated because the money changed hands after his contract finished So since there's actually absolutely no proof that anyone else has done anything wrong, lets suggest the BBC carries out one of their investigations at the tax-payers expense, because 'they're bitter that they got caught and no-one else is at it.
Fortunately, even the BBC isn't stupid enough to read that and think "Hey, there's a plan, lets get in amongst that" but the fact that he even suggests it is ludicrous.
There is a huge difference between that single case and Rangers alleged misuse of the EBT system.
If HmRC go after those who benefited from the ebt's and their side contracts, what's to stop them pursuing Rangers for putting them in such a position?
How much responsibility do you, Rangers fans, feel should be taken by the club as it stands now, to right those wrongs?
And if your answer is none, can you explain what you feel The Rangers is?
How much responsibility do you, Rangers fans, feel should be taken by the club as it stands now, to right those wrongs?
And if your answer is none, can you explain what you feel The Rangers is?
OlberJ said:
If HmRC go after those who benefited from the ebt's and their side contracts, what's to stop them pursuing Rangers for putting them in such a position?
How much responsibility do you, Rangers fans, feel should be taken by the club as it stands now, to right those wrongs?
And if your answer is none, can you explain what you feel The Rangers is?
And who would hey go after. As you celtic minded keep telling us we are a NEW club. So old co is only place they could go. How much responsibility do you, Rangers fans, feel should be taken by the club as it stands now, to right those wrongs?
And if your answer is none, can you explain what you feel The Rangers is?
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