The Official Arsenal Thread (Volume2)
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I think fixtures wise we have been through a tough time. Also, bear in mind most or our players played in the Interlull, Norwich's didn't. We do need someone up front who can score, apart from that, all things considered, I am happy enough.
As for the Wenger out rubbish, it is..er rubbish. He will buy in Jan, hopefully Lorente....
As for the Wenger out rubbish, it is..er rubbish. He will buy in Jan, hopefully Lorente....
no its not rubbish ... and stop with the excuses. it was that great footballing superpower that was Norwich. the other teams in the same situ that won didn't field that lame excuse. in fact wenger didn't either... as he knows anyone serious would have simply laughed at him.
£7m+ pa, highest season tkts in the UK and nothing won for 7 seasons IS rubbish. reward for no results is rubbish. the same reasons/errors for losing time and time again IS rubbish.
lets not mix fact with your opinion / conjecture.
why should he buy Lorente ?
hes got all the players he assembled arshavin, bendtner, chamakh, giroud, park, poldolski and walcott all capable (or incapable) of playing in that position.
£7m+ pa, highest season tkts in the UK and nothing won for 7 seasons IS rubbish. reward for no results is rubbish. the same reasons/errors for losing time and time again IS rubbish.
lets not mix fact with your opinion / conjecture.
why should he buy Lorente ?
hes got all the players he assembled arshavin, bendtner, chamakh, giroud, park, poldolski and walcott all capable (or incapable) of playing in that position.
mylesmcd said:
I think fixtures wise we have been through a tough time. Also, bear in mind most or our players played in the Interlull, Norwich's didn't. We do need someone up front who can score, apart from that, all things considered, I am happy enough.
As for the Wenger out rubbish, it is..er rubbish. He will buy in Jan, hopefully Lorente....
As for the Wenger out rubbish, it is..er rubbish. He will buy in Jan, hopefully Lorente....
Edited by bobo on Monday 22 October 11:18
bobo said:
no its not rubbish ... and stop with the excuses. it was that great footballing superpower that was Norwich. the other teams in the same situ that won didn't field that lame excuse. in fact wenger didn't either... as he knows anyone serious would have simply laughed at him.
£7m+ pa, highest season tkts in the UK and nothing won for 7 seasons IS rubbish. reward for no results is rubbish. the same reasons/errors for losing time and time again IS rubbish.
lets not mix fact with your opinion / conjecture.
why should he buy Lorente ?
hes got all the players he assembled arshavin, bendtner, chamakh, giroud, park, poldolski and walcott all capable (or incapable) of playing in that position.
My comment wasnt meant to irate you mate, I was saying that we shouldnt lose sight. We havehad a good start to the season and one, admittedly terrible result shouldnt see the manager sacked.
He has shown that given money he will spend and normally spend well. I feel he doesnt like spending big because of the additional pressure (Reyes, Arshavin to name a few)
If you were able to do any better, or suggest a person that could, or even better give us a proposal of what you would do, I would definatly worth a listen....
£7m+ pa, highest season tkts in the UK and nothing won for 7 seasons IS rubbish. reward for no results is rubbish. the same reasons/errors for losing time and time again IS rubbish.
lets not mix fact with your opinion / conjecture.
why should he buy Lorente ?
hes got all the players he assembled arshavin, bendtner, chamakh, giroud, park, poldolski and walcott all capable (or incapable) of playing in that position.
My comment wasnt meant to irate you mate, I was saying that we shouldnt lose sight. We havehad a good start to the season and one, admittedly terrible result shouldnt see the manager sacked.
He has shown that given money he will spend and normally spend well. I feel he doesnt like spending big because of the additional pressure (Reyes, Arshavin to name a few)
If you were able to do any better, or suggest a person that could, or even better give us a proposal of what you would do, I would definatly worth a listen....
mylesmcd said:
I think fixtures wise we have been through a tough time. Also, bear in mind most or our players played in the Interlull, Norwich's didn't. We do need someone up front who can score, apart from that, all things considered, I am happy enough.
As for the Wenger out rubbish, it is..er rubbish. He will buy in Jan, hopefully Lorente....
As for the Wenger out rubbish, it is..er rubbish. He will buy in Jan, hopefully Lorente....
Edited by bobo on Monday 22 October 11:18
Arsenal for Life said:
Just to make it clear, Arsene wenger is not Arsenal, Its arsenal FC and has been since 1886....And when you people say We should support the club through bad times . I agree but only if we're unlucky in title challenges..were not unlucky , we're stuck with the same s
t for 8 years now..when I post saying "wenger out " all of you start swearing like you just learned how to swear, but what you dont know is about AW's policy. RVP said before he left that he didn't agree with the way arsenal chose to move forward and that the club had no ambition..I agree and I dont blame nasri and the others for leaving. If you look at Wengers tactics during the invincible season and you look at them now , they are miles apart. playing beautiful football wont win us titles if you cant score a fking goal and win matches consistently...This has been happening to us since 2006 and non of you realise it.. Blindly saying "In Arsene we trust" doesn't make you and arsenal supporter, you need to love the club and a manager who wants to win things with it..not a manager who wants to try things out and fail every season.
(on FB)t for 8 years now..when I post saying "wenger out " all of you start swearing like you just learned how to swear, but what you dont know is about AW's policy. RVP said before he left that he didn't agree with the way arsenal chose to move forward and that the club had no ambition..I agree and I dont blame nasri and the others for leaving. If you look at Wengers tactics during the invincible season and you look at them now , they are miles apart. playing beautiful football wont win us titles if you cant score a fking goal and win matches consistently...This has been happening to us since 2006 and non of you realise it.. Blindly saying "In Arsene we trust" doesn't make you and arsenal supporter, you need to love the club and a manager who wants to win things with it..not a manager who wants to try things out and fail every season. its funny, you wave reality in the face of some gooners and they still label you 'anti arsenal' we don't want your 'types' etc. total heads in the sand rubbish...
thankfully i'm quite confident this is AW's final season. the nuts and bolts are we are simply a feeder club that gets bullied without a winning ethic. thfc have more ambition in the transfer market and on the pitch and arguably play better football too...
only new management will change that and guess what, it will be 'significantly' cheaper than wengers wages.
WIN WIN !
thankfully i'm quite confident this is AW's final season. the nuts and bolts are we are simply a feeder club that gets bullied without a winning ethic. thfc have more ambition in the transfer market and on the pitch and arguably play better football too...
only new management will change that and guess what, it will be 'significantly' cheaper than wengers wages.
WIN WIN !
bobo said:
its funny, you wave reality in the face of some gooners and they still label you 'anti arsenal' we don't want your 'types' etc. total heads in the sand rubbish...
thankfully i'm quite confident this is AW's final season. the nuts and bolts are we are simply a feeder club that gets bullied without a winning ethic. thfc have more ambition in the transfer market and on the pitch and arguably play better football too...
only new management will change that and guess what, it will be 'significantly' cheaper than wengers wages.
WIN WIN !
so you suggest sacking AW after the loss to Norwich?thankfully i'm quite confident this is AW's final season. the nuts and bolts are we are simply a feeder club that gets bullied without a winning ethic. thfc have more ambition in the transfer market and on the pitch and arguably play better football too...
only new management will change that and guess what, it will be 'significantly' cheaper than wengers wages.
WIN WIN !
Fans/followers/supporters have been calling for AW's head for several seasons.
As frustrating as it is to watch your team play badly on top of being labeled as serial underachievers, what options do we really have? I think there are some changes in the pipeline, whether that happens soon (January) or end of season is another stretch we're all facing.
As frustrating as it is to watch your team play badly on top of being labeled as serial underachievers, what options do we really have? I think there are some changes in the pipeline, whether that happens soon (January) or end of season is another stretch we're all facing.
Getting rid of Wenger and hiring someone else is fraught with risk. It would be very easy to end up like Liverpool - changing manager every 12 months as none of them are quite right. If Wenger went who would we realistically replace him with? Not saying we should or we shouldn't but it's something to consider....
scrubchub said:
Getting rid of Wenger and hiring someone else is fraught with risk. It would be very easy to end up like Liverpool - changing manager every 12 months as none of them are quite right. If Wenger went who would we realistically replace him with? Not saying we should or we shouldn't but it's something to consider....
thats exactly where I am too mate. Lets have a plan of what we want to do next before we throw out the manager. I also believe that if we get our board situation sorted out (rid of current, bring in the Russian) it will sort a lot of our player acquisition woes. If we put down all our nearly bought players of recent times (Mata, Benzema, M'Villa etc) I mean really, nearly bought, not Messi, Ronaldo etc, we would have a hell of a team.To clarify, Wenger and his scouts can still find the correct players, we just need to seal the deal. (not in a Valleys way)
It's time to judge Wenger AND the board in 2014 once the commercial deals have rolled off. At that point we're told the self sustaining model will be complete and we'll be the fifth or six biggest club in the world. No more excuses at that stage.
The reality is that Wenger's kept Arsenal competitive (i.e. Top 4) for the last seven years when I doubt any other manager could. We simply don't spend enough money to win the PL...typically we've had a good First XI with a couple of star players and not enough depth....now we have depth but no real star/world class players
During Wenger's time we've had a lot of World Class players and right now I don't think we have any....Wilshere and possibly Scezzer could be the two that become world class.
Bergkamp, Henry, Vieira, Pires, Cole (wash your mouth out), RVP, Cesc, Campbell, Adams would all have got on the pitch if you'd picked 22 players to have a match between the best two teams in the world. Right now we don't have any......
If people want Wenger out I suggest they think of a manager that could keep us competitive given the same transfer spend. Now the baord on the other hand ? They are a disgrace. PHW would have been fired years ago if he was running a proper company.
The reality is that Wenger's kept Arsenal competitive (i.e. Top 4) for the last seven years when I doubt any other manager could. We simply don't spend enough money to win the PL...typically we've had a good First XI with a couple of star players and not enough depth....now we have depth but no real star/world class players
During Wenger's time we've had a lot of World Class players and right now I don't think we have any....Wilshere and possibly Scezzer could be the two that become world class.
Bergkamp, Henry, Vieira, Pires, Cole (wash your mouth out), RVP, Cesc, Campbell, Adams would all have got on the pitch if you'd picked 22 players to have a match between the best two teams in the world. Right now we don't have any......
If people want Wenger out I suggest they think of a manager that could keep us competitive given the same transfer spend. Now the baord on the other hand ? They are a disgrace. PHW would have been fired years ago if he was running a proper company.
We should not have lost to Norwich. But other than a game against Chelsea (which I don't think we deserved to lose) we've started this campaign reasonably well.
Yes, we should have picked up three against Sunderland and Stoke, but we have looked a much better team than people were expecting us to be without RVP.
If this is our wobble, I'd rather take it now than at the end of the season.
Yes, we should have picked up three against Sunderland and Stoke, but we have looked a much better team than people were expecting us to be without RVP.
If this is our wobble, I'd rather take it now than at the end of the season.
errm ... we are ALREADY the 4th most valuable club in the world.
Cheib said:
It's time to judge Wenger AND the board in 2014 once the commercial deals have rolled off. At that point we're told the self sustaining model will be complete and we'll be the fifth or six biggest club in the world. No more excuses at that stage.
you mistake the aims of running a (property) company with a significant cash surplus and running a football club.
to think wenger is irreplaceable for a football club is naive. to think wenger is irreplaceable for the 4th most valuable cvlub in the world is just plain stupidity ... but typical of the fearful hardcore 'in wenger we trust' brigade. what are you scared of? a manager that has the tactical acumen to deal with Norwich or Birmingham when it actually matters ...
a manager that knows you replace like for like when you sell players like cesc, nasri, rvp, th14, song especially when the club can afford to do it and doesnt just buy another french player this may come good in 3 seasons.
there is plenty of talent available at management level and there's plenty of money that our club can spend on both future transfers / wages.
the next guy has got it made.
the biggest challenge wont be winning, it will convincing the other clubs we arnt a feeder club anymore...
as for the board - wenger has had them in his pocket for longer than i can remember. its a great relationship, he gets them a dividend - they keep him in a job with no pressure to win. his influence over the board is 'unhealthy' at best. you cant blame one and not the other....
to think wenger is irreplaceable for a football club is naive. to think wenger is irreplaceable for the 4th most valuable cvlub in the world is just plain stupidity ... but typical of the fearful hardcore 'in wenger we trust' brigade. what are you scared of? a manager that has the tactical acumen to deal with Norwich or Birmingham when it actually matters ...
a manager that knows you replace like for like when you sell players like cesc, nasri, rvp, th14, song especially when the club can afford to do it and doesnt just buy another french player this may come good in 3 seasons.
there is plenty of talent available at management level and there's plenty of money that our club can spend on both future transfers / wages.
the next guy has got it made.
the biggest challenge wont be winning, it will convincing the other clubs we arnt a feeder club anymore...
as for the board - wenger has had them in his pocket for longer than i can remember. its a great relationship, he gets them a dividend - they keep him in a job with no pressure to win. his influence over the board is 'unhealthy' at best. you cant blame one and not the other....
Cheib said:
If people want Wenger out I suggest they think of a manager that could keep us competitive given the same transfer spend. Now the baord on the other hand ? They are a disgrace. PHW would have been fired years ago if he was running a proper company.
Edited by bobo on Tuesday 23 October 12:14
if wenger goes upstairs that would be a huge pay cut. he can make more money doing commentary ... for a man so obsessed with finance im sure it may be just a small concern.
Booey said:
I'm not saying Wenger out, but I do think Arsenal would be perfect for Pep Guardiola. If he is interested then the old man should step outside or upstairs.
bobo said:
you mistake the aims of running a (property) company with a significant cash surplus and running a football club.
to think wenger is irreplaceable for a football club is naive. to think wenger is irreplaceable for the 4th most valuable cvlub in the world is just plain stupidity ... but typical of the fearful hardcore 'in wenger we trust' brigade. what are you scared of? a manager that has the tactical acumen to deal with Norwich or Birmingham when it actually matters ...
a manager that knows you replace like for like when you sell players like cesc, nasri, rvp, th14, song especially when the club can afford to do it and doesnt just buy another french player this may come good in 3 seasons.
there is plenty of talent available at management level and there's plenty of money that our club can spend on both future transfers / wages.
the next guy has got it made.
the biggest challenge wont be winning, it will convincing the other clubs we arnt a feeder club anymore...
as for the board - wenger has had them in his pocket for longer than i can remember. its a great relationship, he gets them a dividend - they keep him in a job with no pressure to win. his influence over the board is 'unhealthy' at best. you cant blame one and not the other....
Firstly get your facts straight. There aren't any dividends paid.....to think wenger is irreplaceable for a football club is naive. to think wenger is irreplaceable for the 4th most valuable cvlub in the world is just plain stupidity ... but typical of the fearful hardcore 'in wenger we trust' brigade. what are you scared of? a manager that has the tactical acumen to deal with Norwich or Birmingham when it actually matters ...
a manager that knows you replace like for like when you sell players like cesc, nasri, rvp, th14, song especially when the club can afford to do it and doesnt just buy another french player this may come good in 3 seasons.
there is plenty of talent available at management level and there's plenty of money that our club can spend on both future transfers / wages.
the next guy has got it made.
the biggest challenge wont be winning, it will convincing the other clubs we arnt a feeder club anymore...
as for the board - wenger has had them in his pocket for longer than i can remember. its a great relationship, he gets them a dividend - they keep him in a job with no pressure to win. his influence over the board is 'unhealthy' at best. you cant blame one and not the other....
Cheib said:
If people want Wenger out I suggest they think of a manager that could keep us competitive given the same transfer spend. Now the baord on the other hand ? They are a disgrace. PHW would have been fired years ago if he was running a proper company.
Edited by bobo on Tuesday 23 October 12:14
What has happened is that the baord has sold it's shares at inflated prices as Kronke/Usmanov bought shares to try and gain control.
Secondly I'd have a proper look at the accounts. Arsenal are profitable because of player sales/trading...the property business has simply made up the shortfall in income because commercial revenues are below the competition and will be for another couple of years and beyond.
Being the "fourth most valuable club in the world" doesn't mean anything...it's about revenue. They're only the fourth most valuable because Wenger has kept them competitive whilst producing a net £50mil in player sales since they moved to The Emirates...and two billionaires have been fighting to buy up a tiny float of shares.
It's all here.....
http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Ars...
Edited by Cheib on Wednesday 24th October 16:22
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