The Official Arsenal Thread (Volume2)
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im said:
Bobo: Can I just welcome you to the fold of non-conformist PH posters. I feel its only a matter of time before you're spoken of in the reverent tones as the likes of Digikal and Red Trident.
Well done, finally this thread has some life to it.
I'd love a non-conformist in our thread, Blib is the nearest being old and thick I suppose.Well done, finally this thread has some life to it.
mickk said:
im said:
Bobo: Can I just welcome you to the fold of non-conformist PH posters. I feel its only a matter of time before you're spoken of in the reverent tones as the likes of Digikal and Red Trident.
Well done, finally this thread has some life to it.
I'd love a non-conformist in our thread, Blib is the nearest being old and thick I suppose.Well done, finally this thread has some life to it.
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8193806/Four...
Turns out you've actually won loads of trophies in the last 8 years!
Turns out you've actually won loads of trophies in the last 8 years!
mylesmcd said:
im said:
mylesmcd said:
Yea, but punctuation helps.
Yeah, so does spelling.Yea and Yeah are slang terms...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yea
It's quite unbelievable to think how the club has got into this position. To have a manager that is immune to punishment for his failings is simply ridiculous. It would not happen anywhere else.
As others have said Wenger is completely out of ideas and has lost his mojo, he needs to go. Completely delusional that ffp will bring success, 7 years without a trophy is inexcusable. But that’s ok, nothing will happen to him. He will still pick up his big pay cheque, Gazadis will take an extra holiday while leaving the club to rot, t
ts.
I don't know how some fans think Wenger deserves to be running one of the biggest clubs in the country, and i don't know how he thinks he deserves to run one of the biggest clubs in the country!?
Sell best player, re-invest 10% of money, buy a nobody, watch team decline, increase ticket prices, repeat infinity. I for one will not be spending another penny until i see some real investment in the squad. This is without doubt the worst Arsenal side i can ever remember. Highest ticket prices in the land to watch that shower of ste, Kronke wants all the profit‘s with no investment, prick! We don't even play attractive football anymore!
How long before, Carzola, Wilshere and the Ox are sold?
'IN ARSENE WE RUST'
As others have said Wenger is completely out of ideas and has lost his mojo, he needs to go. Completely delusional that ffp will bring success, 7 years without a trophy is inexcusable. But that’s ok, nothing will happen to him. He will still pick up his big pay cheque, Gazadis will take an extra holiday while leaving the club to rot, t
ts. I don't know how some fans think Wenger deserves to be running one of the biggest clubs in the country, and i don't know how he thinks he deserves to run one of the biggest clubs in the country!?
Sell best player, re-invest 10% of money, buy a nobody, watch team decline, increase ticket prices, repeat infinity. I for one will not be spending another penny until i see some real investment in the squad. This is without doubt the worst Arsenal side i can ever remember. Highest ticket prices in the land to watch that shower of s
te, Kronke wants all the profit‘s with no investment, prick! We don't even play attractive football anymore!How long before, Carzola, Wilshere and the Ox are sold?
'IN ARSENE WE RUST'mylesmcd said:
Liverpool weren't happy with Benetiz, now look at them. Same for many clubs before and after them.
This x100.I too am tired of seeing the same mistakes being made on the pitch over and over again, the lack of leadership and the losing mentality.
However, it would be madness to get rid of Wenger right now.
Managing to keep us in the Top 4 the last few seasons with our budget and squad has been an achievement in itself.
The budget situation will not change until the Stadium debt has been completely paid off and the sponsorship deals have been renewed (2014).
If you can name an available Manager that could step in right now and out perform Wenger with the same squad a budget then lets here it......
For me, he must stay until the financial situation is sorted OR the team implodes and finishes the season down the table, in which case there would be nothing to lose in brining in fresh blood.
im said:
mylesmcd said:
im said:
mylesmcd said:
Yea, but punctuation helps.
Yeah, so does spelling.Yea and Yeah are slang terms...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yea
But you also triple full stopped your last quote. lol
Geezer-20v said:
mylesmcd said:
Liverpool weren't happy with Benetiz, now look at them. Same for many clubs before and after them.
This x100.I too am tired of seeing the same mistakes being made on the pitch over and over again, the lack of leadership and the losing mentality.
However, it would be madness to get rid of Wenger right now.
Managing to keep us in the Top 4 the last few seasons with our budget and squad has been an achievement in itself.
The budget situation will not change until the Stadium debt has been completely paid off and the sponsorship deals have been renewed (2014).
If you can name an available Manager that could step in right now and out perform Wenger with the same squad a budget then lets here it......
For me, he must stay until the financial situation is sorted OR the team implodes and finishes the season down the table, in which case there would be nothing to lose in brining in fresh blood.
A glimpse into the ambition of Wenger and the club, no wonder RVP left!
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/8193...
"I say that because if you want to attract the best players, they do not ask 'did you win the League Cup?', they ask you 'do you play in the Champions League?'.
Yes because players don't move to certain club's for the money atall do they? Wages which you don't want to pay. Also a club that has won nothing for nigh on a decade is really going to 'attract the best players'
Lot's of unrest at the AGM:
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16429_819...
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/8193...
"I say that because if you want to attract the best players, they do not ask 'did you win the League Cup?', they ask you 'do you play in the Champions League?'.
Yes because players don't move to certain club's for the money atall do they? Wages which you don't want to pay. Also a club that has won nothing for nigh on a decade is really going to 'attract the best players' Lot's of unrest at the AGM:
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,16429_819...
mylesmcd said:
I whole heartedly agree. Lets not wet the bed over two poor results. I think we all would like to be doing better, but its a long way down to the conference....
Yup. They don't help themselves with all this Top 4 is like a trophy nonsense but at the end of the day they have lost two matches. That's down to some shot defending ( by Santos mainly ) and a not inconsiderable injury list.....we have seven first team players out. Most of them would go straight in the side.
Scezzer
Sagna
Gibbs
Wilshere
Diaby
Walcott
The Ox.
We started the season looking much more solid as a defensive unit but have conceded a lot of poor goals in the last few games.
you either want to compete or you don't. that's where our ideals and aspirations for our club obviously differ.
we were lucky to qualify for CL for the last 2 seasons, very lucky indeed. are you suggesting that this is a given this season and that the situation is improving under wenger?
please explain clearly, apart from the fear of future failure under another manager why AW should retain his position if the situation is in fact deteriorating as it is.
we were lucky to qualify for CL for the last 2 seasons, very lucky indeed. are you suggesting that this is a given this season and that the situation is improving under wenger?
please explain clearly, apart from the fear of future failure under another manager why AW should retain his position if the situation is in fact deteriorating as it is.
Geezer-20v said:
This x100.
I too am tired of seeing the same mistakes being made on the pitch over and over again, the lack of leadership and the losing mentality.
However, it would be madness to get rid of Wenger right now.
Managing to keep us in the Top 4 the last few seasons with our budget and squad has been an achievement in itself.
The budget situation will not change until the Stadium debt has been completely paid off and the sponsorship deals have been renewed (2014).
If you can name an available Manager that could step in right now and out perform Wenger with the same squad a budget then lets here it......
For me, he must stay until the financial situation is sorted OR the team implodes and finishes the season down the table, in which case there would be nothing to lose in brining in fresh blood.
I too am tired of seeing the same mistakes being made on the pitch over and over again, the lack of leadership and the losing mentality.
However, it would be madness to get rid of Wenger right now.
Managing to keep us in the Top 4 the last few seasons with our budget and squad has been an achievement in itself.
The budget situation will not change until the Stadium debt has been completely paid off and the sponsorship deals have been renewed (2014).
If you can name an available Manager that could step in right now and out perform Wenger with the same squad a budget then lets here it......
For me, he must stay until the financial situation is sorted OR the team implodes and finishes the season down the table, in which case there would be nothing to lose in brining in fresh blood.
Edited by bobo on Thursday 25th October 22:01
injuries? oh god save us... its same excuse every season as it will the next.
i have a better excuse. look at rvp statistics for last season, now remove them ... do the same for sesc and nasri.
that's what you get.
i have a better excuse. look at rvp statistics for last season, now remove them ... do the same for sesc and nasri.
that's what you get.
Cheib said:
Yup. They don't help themselves with all this Top 4 is like a trophy nonsense but at the end of the day they have lost two matches.
That's down to some shot defending ( by Santos mainly ) and a not inconsiderable injury list.....we have seven first team players out. Most of them would go straight in the side.
Scezzer
Sagna
Gibbs
Wilshere
Diaby
Walcott
The Ox.
We started the season looking much more solid as a defensive unit but have conceded a lot of poor goals in the last few games.
That's down to some shot defending ( by Santos mainly ) and a not inconsiderable injury list.....we have seven first team players out. Most of them would go straight in the side.
Scezzer
Sagna
Gibbs
Wilshere
Diaby
Walcott
The Ox.
We started the season looking much more solid as a defensive unit but have conceded a lot of poor goals in the last few games.
bobo said:
you either want to compete or you don't. that's where our ideals and aspirations for our club obviously differ.
we were lucky to qualify for CL for the last 2 seasons, very lucky indeed. are you suggesting that this is a given this season and that the situation is improving under wenger?
please explain clearly, apart from the fear of future failure under another manager why AW should retain his position if the situation is in fact deteriorating as it is.
but it must be taken into consideration, the other things that were happening at the Club. If we had stayed at Highbury we wouldnt be able to generate the income to be in the top half of the table, nevermind top 4. So moving HAD to happen. The spend on the new stadium has put us into a position where we can generate enough income to complete, especially if the FFP rules com into play.we were lucky to qualify for CL for the last 2 seasons, very lucky indeed. are you suggesting that this is a given this season and that the situation is improving under wenger?
please explain clearly, apart from the fear of future failure under another manager why AW should retain his position if the situation is in fact deteriorating as it is.
Geezer-20v said:
This x100.
I too am tired of seeing the same mistakes being made on the pitch over and over again, the lack of leadership and the losing mentality.
However, it would be madness to get rid of Wenger right now.
Managing to keep us in the Top 4 the last few seasons with our budget and squad has been an achievement in itself.
The budget situation will not change until the Stadium debt has been completely paid off and the sponsorship deals have been renewed (2014).
If you can name an available Manager that could step in right now and out perform Wenger with the same squad a budget then lets here it......
For me, he must stay until the financial situation is sorted OR the team implodes and finishes the season down the table, in which case there would be nothing to lose in brining in fresh blood.
I too am tired of seeing the same mistakes being made on the pitch over and over again, the lack of leadership and the losing mentality.
However, it would be madness to get rid of Wenger right now.
Managing to keep us in the Top 4 the last few seasons with our budget and squad has been an achievement in itself.
The budget situation will not change until the Stadium debt has been completely paid off and the sponsorship deals have been renewed (2014).
If you can name an available Manager that could step in right now and out perform Wenger with the same squad a budget then lets here it......
For me, he must stay until the financial situation is sorted OR the team implodes and finishes the season down the table, in which case there would be nothing to lose in brining in fresh blood.
Edited by bobo on Thursday 25th October 22:01
Yaking on that its not good enough, should be better etc etc, is true. But look at the bigger picture...please!
are you really naive enough to think that no AAA managers aren't eyeing AW's position? whether the board would entertain the idea is another matter.
lets get a few things straight shall we. this is afc, a very wealthy club with standing and heritage, absolute world class facilities and is the biggest club in the most important city in europe.
it also has (believe it or not) significant transfer funds.... do you honestly think some of the top European managers aren't laughing into their brioches and pretzels at breakfast when they see performances like the last two or that infamous Birmingham match?
do you honestly believe the good guys are thinking; nope i really couldn't have done it better and yup i would be making the same mistakes for nearly 8 seasons for a measly £7.5m pa with no pressure to perform at all ... there's no way i would want that job.
get real, lol! even poor old david moyes has more pressure to perform than AW ... and that's 80pc of the problem.
if the board thought about anything other than money you would have a queue of managers knocking down the door for the opportunity.
lets turn it on its head... tell me a better/more forgiving/easier club to manage that is as financially secure ? you do know they stone managers cars in italy/spain if they lose a match don't you?
lets get a few things straight shall we. this is afc, a very wealthy club with standing and heritage, absolute world class facilities and is the biggest club in the most important city in europe.
it also has (believe it or not) significant transfer funds.... do you honestly think some of the top European managers aren't laughing into their brioches and pretzels at breakfast when they see performances like the last two or that infamous Birmingham match?
do you honestly believe the good guys are thinking; nope i really couldn't have done it better and yup i would be making the same mistakes for nearly 8 seasons for a measly £7.5m pa with no pressure to perform at all ... there's no way i would want that job.
get real, lol! even poor old david moyes has more pressure to perform than AW ... and that's 80pc of the problem.
if the board thought about anything other than money you would have a queue of managers knocking down the door for the opportunity.
lets turn it on its head... tell me a better/more forgiving/easier club to manage that is as financially secure ? you do know they stone managers cars in italy/spain if they lose a match don't you?
mylesmcd said:
So instead of giving us negatives...give us a demonstration of what you would do? Who would you bring in to replace?
Liverpool weren't happy with Benetiz, now look at them. Same for many clubs before and after them.
I am not saying I am happy with the way the club is being run completely. But, jesus, lets have a plan before we act!
Liverpool weren't happy with Benetiz, now look at them. Same for many clubs before and after them.
I am not saying I am happy with the way the club is being run completely. But, jesus, lets have a plan before we act!
Edited by bobo on Thursday 25th October 22:42
mylesmcd said:
but it must be taken into consideration, the other things that were happening at the Club. If we had stayed at Highbury we wouldnt be able to generate the income to be in the top half of the table, nevermind top 4. So moving HAD to happen. The spend on the new stadium has put us into a position where we can generate enough income to complete, especially if the FFP rules com into play.
Yaking on that its not good enough, should be better etc etc, is true. But look at the bigger picture...please!
look its as complex as you want to make it. the fact of the matter is if you are telling me moving to the bigger stadium put paying flamini wages over £20k a week in jeopardy then fair enough, but that's not the case now is it. Yaking on that its not good enough, should be better etc etc, is true. But look at the bigger picture...please!
wenger is responsible for the general improved financial status of the club. but that's not to say that because of that we shouldn't ever think beyond him.
Edited by bobo on Thursday 25th October 22:38
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