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Obviously, being a Norwich fan I am biased towards our number 9 in most situations. However, this summer, I genuinely think he deserves a chance to play for England. No bias involved.
What do you all think? It seems to be a bit of a tricky subject with some pundits getting abit up themselves about it (Mr. Le Tissier...)
What do you all think? It seems to be a bit of a tricky subject with some pundits getting abit up themselves about it (Mr. Le Tissier...)
No, England always do this - they take form players who have had one good season etc. What is needed is players with the best technique so we can at least try to play decent football.
Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Defoe would be the strikers for me, I think they usually take 5 so the last place is up for grabs.
What did Le Tissier say?
Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Defoe would be the strikers for me, I think they usually take 5 so the last place is up for grabs.
What did Le Tissier say?
obob said:
No, England always do this - they take form players who have had one good season etc. What is needed is players with the best technique so we can at least try to play decent football.
Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Defoe would be the strikers for me, I think they usually take 5 so the last place is up for grabs.
While I appreciate this, I also disagree. Holt is a good footballer, I see him every week and he is genuinely good with his feet. He often switches play 40-50 yards straight to his team and does it with ease.Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Defoe would be the strikers for me, I think they usually take 5 so the last place is up for grabs.
His link up play is good, control 99% of the time is spot on and his movement is spot on. Add that to his enthusiasm, work-rate and genuine desire to succeed, I think he would do an incredible job.
I disagree that England always take form players. They normally take the same tragic 11 that let people down every tournament. Time for a change I think.
obob said:
What did Le Tissier say?
He was saying it was ridiculous for Holt to be suggested and if he was even being considered, Ricky Lambert should be one of the first names in the squad.Donatello said:
obob said:
What did Le Tissier say?
He was saying it was ridiculous for Holt to be suggested and if he was even being considered, Ricky Lambert should be one of the first names in the squad.
t.I think it would be good to take a chance on players like Holt in a tournament where England really do have nothing to lose. I doubt they will, though.
2nd highest English goal scorer this year? Get him in the squad. My head will explode if Carroll or Crouch are anywhere near the team.
I think there are one or two english players in the championship who also deserve a chance but have not yet hat the opportunity to prove themselves on the bigger PL stage. Perhaps some players in the U-21's also deserve a place in the squad? That is why I think Pearce is a good bloke to manage the team in this transitional phase as he has got to know all the players coming through!
I think there are one or two english players in the championship who also deserve a chance but have not yet hat the opportunity to prove themselves on the bigger PL stage. Perhaps some players in the U-21's also deserve a place in the squad? That is why I think Pearce is a good bloke to manage the team in this transitional phase as he has got to know all the players coming through!
Edited by Booey on Wednesday 11th April 12:54
anonymous said:
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I've made my feelings about Holt well known on the England thread. Again i'm a Norwich fan so i am biased, but I agree with the OP, he deserves a call up but he's just not fashionable enough.Tonker, you do realise Holt has scored against United, Chelsea, Newcastle (2) Liverpool and Everton this season?
The guy is a natural finisher. He can score with both feet and is great in the air. He roughs up defenders (ask Ledley King how his afternoon was on Saturday). But off the field he is a genuinely good guy.
To be honest, i'm not fussed if he goes or not. I think England will struggle to make an impact this summer and if this were to have a detrimental effect on Holts performances for his club i'd be gutted.
Also, I will add, we could do a lot worse than Rickie Lambert too. He too has had a phenomenal season, he's another natural goalscorer. We seem to be little light on goalscorers for the national side. Welbeck and Sturridge have pace and do get a few goals, but I don't think either have had a brilliant season. Likewise Defoe, he's not started too often for Spurs this season, also he's had numerous chances for the national team, and never really took them. Crouch, Zamora, Carroll, they've all had below par seasons too...
I'm a Norwich fan, and while I'd be delighted for Mr Holt himself should he get the call, on a selfish note I'd be worried he'd come back crocked.
Personally I couldn't care less what England do in the Euros, decades of gutless, uninterested performances by the so-called cream of our crop have seen to that.
Personally I couldn't care less what England do in the Euros, decades of gutless, uninterested performances by the so-called cream of our crop have seen to that.
anonymous said:
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I don't think its entirely fair though, to compare every striker who makes the step up from Championship level to Prem, and then to international level, to Michael Ricketts. I guess perhaps you could say a similar thing has happened to Andy Carroll, made his mark in the Champ, half a good season and a massive move and then it all goes tits up. Sometimes a player can just come in and deliver. I just feel we need some options up front. Rooneys banned for 2 games, but he'll be in the squad. Sturridge, Welbeck and Campbell (who shouldn't be near the squad at the moment) are all too similar. We have good wingers in Young, Lennon, Walcott, Ox, who could all be capable of putting crosses in and Holt is more than good enough to convert.
I do agree about the fouls side of things. Holt does concede a lot of fouls on defenders, though he doesn't get too many suspensions.
I still think England should be havingf a look at Holt...
P.S, please don't ever mention Ormorod in the same conversation as Holt
andyjo1982 said:
I don't think its entirely fair though, to compare every striker who makes the step up from Championship level to Prem, and then to international level, to Michael Ricketts. I guess perhaps you could say a similar thing has happened to Andy Carroll, made his mark in the Champ, half a good season and a massive move and then it all goes tits up. Sometimes a player can just come in and deliver.
I just feel we need some options up front. Rooneys banned for 2 games, but he'll be in the squad. Sturridge, Welbeck and Campbell (who shouldn't be near the squad at the moment) are all too similar. We have good wingers in Young, Lennon, Walcott, Ox, who could all be capable of putting crosses in and Holt is more than good enough to convert.
I do agree about the fouls side of things. Holt does concede a lot of fouls on defenders, though he doesn't get too many suspensions.
I still think England should be havingf a look at Holt...
P.S, please don't ever mention Ormorod in the same conversation as Holt
Walcott, capable of putting in good crosses?I just feel we need some options up front. Rooneys banned for 2 games, but he'll be in the squad. Sturridge, Welbeck and Campbell (who shouldn't be near the squad at the moment) are all too similar. We have good wingers in Young, Lennon, Walcott, Ox, who could all be capable of putting crosses in and Holt is more than good enough to convert.
I do agree about the fouls side of things. Holt does concede a lot of fouls on defenders, though he doesn't get too many suspensions.
I still think England should be havingf a look at Holt...
P.S, please don't ever mention Ormorod in the same conversation as Holt
andyjo1982 said:
Also, I will add, we could do a lot worse than Rickie Lambert too. He too has had a phenomenal season, he's another natural goalscorer. We seem to be little light on goalscorers for the national side. Welbeck and Sturridge have pace and do get a few goals, but I don't think either have had a brilliant season. Likewise Defoe, he's not started too often for Spurs this season, also he's had numerous chances for the national team, and never really took them. Crouch, Zamora, Carroll, they've all had below par seasons too...
Defoe has scored 16 goals in 20 appearances this season. The problem is if you take a big target man like Holt, they can't stop themselves launching the ball forward at him.obob said:
The problem is if you take a big target man like Holt, they can't stop themselves launching the ball forward at him.
Norwich manage it...Point is, we have nothing to lose this year. England have been awful in recent years and spent millions on managers. The players are embarrassed by the better nations and the media will ruin any sniff we ever have anyway with some 'Rooney is a granny basher' or 'Terry is a racist' headline and the country goes into meltdown.
They should just try a mix of the youth players, senior players who can perform and a couple of unusual risks.
Who says Grant Holt can't score goals for England too? He has done it at every level he has played and makes it look easy at times.
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