The Official Liverpool Thread, Volume 4
Discussion
RedTrident said:
And NO WAY did BR say to FSG, 'no you're ok, keep your 15 million, I only want the lad if we can get him on loan'. FSG are nothing more than a bunch of liars. Where is the evidence to suggest this took place.
Fair enough; where's the evidence that this didn't happen then? All I've seen is different versions of what happened. Not any evidence either way.RedTrident said:
And if we want to roll our eyes about the players they sold I'll raise your PFK and Poulsen with Torres.
Granted we could have kept him when he said he wanted to go at the end of the window. But wisdom (sic) at the time was "any player who doesn't want to play, get rid" and no-one could argue we didn't get a great price for him - and he did virtually nothing at Chelsea for almost a year, so a very good deal, in retrospect.What wasn't a good deal was w
king it all away in a mad panic... No-one is disputing we have a rubbish decision making record in the last couple of years - whether its been KK, Comolli, FSG, IA - we give the impression of being truly incompetent. Except in the income generation department, which seems to be run by someone who does know what they're doing. If only they could apply that to the football side of the club.The overall problem is not unique to Liverpool or FSG. It's just our version of the overall malaise and top flight football eating itself.
Let's be honest: very few football clubs make sense as a business. Insane (and unsustainable) proportions of revenues go straight out of the door in player salaries, these directly influence and inflate transfer fees - which in itself is a mechanism based on failure to honour contracts. It's why the only people who can own football clubs are those with a pile of their own money who can spend it as they wish without answering to anyone and with no need to consider conventional business logic. The problem is that below the Abramovich and Mansour level there are owners very wealthy by common man standards but not infinitely wealthy and mindful of how they made their (finite) cash and now trying to apply the financial sense they used in amassing it to football - and not losing it all. It doesn't work.
There are not enough Abramovichs and Mansours who can spend with impunity to go around though. And yet every club's fans want someone to come along and 'invest' in their club. Net result: in most cases neither owners nor fans will come out of it happy.
John Madejski summed it up perfectly when he put Reading up for sale and said, "Millionaires need not apply."
Let's be honest: very few football clubs make sense as a business. Insane (and unsustainable) proportions of revenues go straight out of the door in player salaries, these directly influence and inflate transfer fees - which in itself is a mechanism based on failure to honour contracts. It's why the only people who can own football clubs are those with a pile of their own money who can spend it as they wish without answering to anyone and with no need to consider conventional business logic. The problem is that below the Abramovich and Mansour level there are owners very wealthy by common man standards but not infinitely wealthy and mindful of how they made their (finite) cash and now trying to apply the financial sense they used in amassing it to football - and not losing it all. It doesn't work.
There are not enough Abramovichs and Mansours who can spend with impunity to go around though. And yet every club's fans want someone to come along and 'invest' in their club. Net result: in most cases neither owners nor fans will come out of it happy.
John Madejski summed it up perfectly when he put Reading up for sale and said, "Millionaires need not apply."
Liverpool Football Club has named its Barclays Premier League squad for the 2012-13 season.
The club has also named a list of U21 players who are eligible to feature above and beyond the initial squad.
Changes to the squad lists may be made during the January transfer window.
Our Barclays Premier League squad: Daniel Agger, Joe Allen, Ossama Assaidi, Jamie Carragher, Sebastian Coates, Joe Cole, Doni, Stewart Downing, Steven Gerrard, Peter Gulacsi, Jordan Henderson, Glen Johnson, Brad Jones, Jose Enrique, Martin Kelly, Lucas Leiva, Jose Reina, Nuri Sahin, Martin Skrtel, Luis Suarez.
U21s: Krisztian Adorjan, Yalany Baio, Tyrell Belford, Villyan Bijev, Fabio Borini, Cameron Brannagan, Nathan Burke, Daniel Cleary, Conor Coady, Ryan Crump, Jack Dunn, Suso, John Flanagan, Ryan Fulton, San Gainford, Niall Heaton, Jose Huertas Ortiz, Jordon Ibe, Lloyd Jones, Jordan Lussey, Joseph Maguire, Ryan McLaughlin, Yusuf Mersin, Adam Morgan, Henoc Mukendi, Michael Ngoo, Alex O'Hanlon, Daniel Pacheco, Marc Pelosi, Kristoffer Petersson, Nathan Quirk, Connor Randall, Jack Robinson, Craig Roddan, Stephen Sama, Jonjo Shelvey, Bradley Smith, Jakub Sokolik, Raheem Sterling, Joao Teixeria, Daniel Trickett-Smith, Daniel Ward, Michael Williams, Danny Wilson, Andre Wisdom, Samed Yesil.
Explanatory note: Clubs can name up to 25 players in their Barclays Premier League squads, with no more than 17 players who do not fulfil the 'Home Grown Player' (HGP) criteria. The remainder of the squad, up to a total of 25 players, must be home grown. An HGP means a player who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).
The club has also named a list of U21 players who are eligible to feature above and beyond the initial squad.
Changes to the squad lists may be made during the January transfer window.
Our Barclays Premier League squad: Daniel Agger, Joe Allen, Ossama Assaidi, Jamie Carragher, Sebastian Coates, Joe Cole, Doni, Stewart Downing, Steven Gerrard, Peter Gulacsi, Jordan Henderson, Glen Johnson, Brad Jones, Jose Enrique, Martin Kelly, Lucas Leiva, Jose Reina, Nuri Sahin, Martin Skrtel, Luis Suarez.
U21s: Krisztian Adorjan, Yalany Baio, Tyrell Belford, Villyan Bijev, Fabio Borini, Cameron Brannagan, Nathan Burke, Daniel Cleary, Conor Coady, Ryan Crump, Jack Dunn, Suso, John Flanagan, Ryan Fulton, San Gainford, Niall Heaton, Jose Huertas Ortiz, Jordon Ibe, Lloyd Jones, Jordan Lussey, Joseph Maguire, Ryan McLaughlin, Yusuf Mersin, Adam Morgan, Henoc Mukendi, Michael Ngoo, Alex O'Hanlon, Daniel Pacheco, Marc Pelosi, Kristoffer Petersson, Nathan Quirk, Connor Randall, Jack Robinson, Craig Roddan, Stephen Sama, Jonjo Shelvey, Bradley Smith, Jakub Sokolik, Raheem Sterling, Joao Teixeria, Daniel Trickett-Smith, Daniel Ward, Michael Williams, Danny Wilson, Andre Wisdom, Samed Yesil.
Explanatory note: Clubs can name up to 25 players in their Barclays Premier League squads, with no more than 17 players who do not fulfil the 'Home Grown Player' (HGP) criteria. The remainder of the squad, up to a total of 25 players, must be home grown. An HGP means a player who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).
DaveR said:
The overall problem is not unique to Liverpool or FSG. It's just our version of the overall malaise and top flight football eating itself.
Let's be honest: very few football clubs make sense as a business. Insane (and unsustainable) proportions of revenues go straight out of the door in player salaries, these directly influence and inflate transfer fees - which in itself is a mechanism based on failure to honour contracts. It's why the only people who can own football clubs are those with a pile of their own money who can spend it as they wish without answering to anyone and with no need to consider conventional business logic. The problem is that below the Abramovich and Mansour level there are owners very wealthy by common man standards but not infinitely wealthy and mindful of how they made their (finite) cash and now trying to apply the financial sense they used in amassing it to football - and not losing it all. It doesn't work.
There are not enough Abramovichs and Mansours who can spend with impunity to go around though. And yet every club's fans want someone to come along and 'invest' in their club. Net result: in most cases neither owners nor fans will come out of it happy.
John Madejski summed it up perfectly when he put Reading up for sale and said, "Millionaires need not apply."
They are two extremes and I want the middle ground. Pretty sure everyone on this thread does.Let's be honest: very few football clubs make sense as a business. Insane (and unsustainable) proportions of revenues go straight out of the door in player salaries, these directly influence and inflate transfer fees - which in itself is a mechanism based on failure to honour contracts. It's why the only people who can own football clubs are those with a pile of their own money who can spend it as they wish without answering to anyone and with no need to consider conventional business logic. The problem is that below the Abramovich and Mansour level there are owners very wealthy by common man standards but not infinitely wealthy and mindful of how they made their (finite) cash and now trying to apply the financial sense they used in amassing it to football - and not losing it all. It doesn't work.
There are not enough Abramovichs and Mansours who can spend with impunity to go around though. And yet every club's fans want someone to come along and 'invest' in their club. Net result: in most cases neither owners nor fans will come out of it happy.
John Madejski summed it up perfectly when he put Reading up for sale and said, "Millionaires need not apply."
m3sye said:
Only readable to those with subs...OK so a monumental cock up has happened and I very much doubt if we the fans will ever fully understand what happened and the why's and wherefore's of the transfer window.
IMVHO it is now time to stand up and be counted and supprort the team through what looks like a very very horrible few months. On the plus side we have a number of young up and coming players that should now get a full run in the first team. Almost reminds of when a young Stevie G and Michael Owen had their debut season.
IMVHO it is now time to stand up and be counted and supprort the team through what looks like a very very horrible few months. On the plus side we have a number of young up and coming players that should now get a full run in the first team. Almost reminds of when a young Stevie G and Michael Owen had their debut season.
im said:
Key terms:"Former"
"I think"
im said:
Nice way of trying to get in the limelightWhat Del Piero said himself is here,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/li...
im said:
Completely understandable rather than controversial that a legend for that club should decide against playing for us.What is shambolic is that we've resorted to trying to sign players like Del Piero. Last time I looked the English Premiership was a competitive league rather than a series of exhibition matches played out by players one step away from the beach or masters football circuit.
As Leonardson says, it is indeed time to get behind the team. On the pitch this is done by cheering at the games (for those of us that go that is, after all how else are you supposed to get behind your team? buy FSG mugs? a Liverpool shirt? Or dare I say getting behind the team means not asking difficult questions?)
As far as people like myself are concerned getting behind the team is by both cheering the team at games and letting FSG know that we're not mugs and pressurising the parasites and shame them into spending some money in January.
RedTrident said:
Completely understandable rather than controversial that a legend for that club should decide against playing for us.
What is shambolic is that we've resorted to trying to sign players like Del Piero. Last time I looked the English Premiership was a competitive league rather than a series of exhibition matches played out by players one step away from the beach or masters football circuit.
As Leonardson says, it is indeed time to get behind the team. On the pitch this is done by cheering at the games (for those of us that go that is, after all how else are you supposed to get behind your team? buy FSG mugs? a Liverpool shirt? Or dare I say getting behind the team means not asking difficult questions?)
As far as people like myself are concerned getting behind the team is by both cheering the team at games and letting FSG know that we're not mugs and pressurising the parasites and shame them into spending some money in January.
If you speak they shall listen Raja....What is shambolic is that we've resorted to trying to sign players like Del Piero. Last time I looked the English Premiership was a competitive league rather than a series of exhibition matches played out by players one step away from the beach or masters football circuit.
As Leonardson says, it is indeed time to get behind the team. On the pitch this is done by cheering at the games (for those of us that go that is, after all how else are you supposed to get behind your team? buy FSG mugs? a Liverpool shirt? Or dare I say getting behind the team means not asking difficult questions?)
As far as people like myself are concerned getting behind the team is by both cheering the team at games and letting FSG know that we're not mugs and pressurising the parasites and shame them into spending some money in January.
m3sye said:
OK they did directly, but if we had carried on with H&G it would not have been long till we were.
Why not wait till Jan Raja, what happens if they spend 15m then on a striker, are they still scumbags for spending a net spend of £28m in one season?
Why even bother bringing Torres into it? sometimes you come across as you genuinely do have a good point then you make yourself look stupid by throwing a comment in you would expect a fan of another team to make. We all know Torres wanted to leave so if you can get 50m for a player do you sell or keep the miserable bast*ard?
So we agree that they've not spunked 100 million of their own money nor saved us from administration. Why not wait till Jan Raja, what happens if they spend 15m then on a striker, are they still scumbags for spending a net spend of £28m in one season?
Why even bother bringing Torres into it? sometimes you come across as you genuinely do have a good point then you make yourself look stupid by throwing a comment in you would expect a fan of another team to make. We all know Torres wanted to leave so if you can get 50m for a player do you sell or keep the miserable bast*ard?
If we wait until January without raising our voices then what we will see in January is further cuts. By your calculations our net spend this season is 13 million. Yep that's 'competing with anyone' right there. Come on admit it, these yanks are over promising and under delivering. Where is the stadium? What is it with this financial fair play nonsense? Its not even come in has it? Do you really think FSG care about the game when they don't even understand it?
The only thing I've seen FSG manage to do in 2 years is increase our revenue, some of that I'm not happy with as ticket prices have gone up and in a worrying interview by Henry he alluded that instead of building/expanding Anfield we could raise ticket prices that would mean we'd get the income of the equivalent of 60,000 seats.
As for bringing up Torres, I didn't see you objecting when Jammy agreed with you and tried to make my point seem unreasonable by defending the owners for getting rid of PFK and Poulson. How can you make the point they (and I'm not even sure what FSG had to do with this) sold a few crap players as a means of defending them? If someone wants to play that game then of course I'll bring up Torres as he was sold under their tenure as well. Surely that's a legitimate point?
FSG are on their way out. They are rapidly reducing expenditure whilst increasing income. Once they've reached an 'optimum' balance here whilst maintaing a reasonable level of performance on the pitch they'll put us up for sale and be gone, maximising their profits. If you look around you'll see that it is not just me with this opinion of them.
Here you go Raja, explode....... 
LIVERPOOL FC has applied for planning permission to put up a marquee behind Anfield to provide corporate hospitality for 500 people.
The marquee will be put on club-owned derelict land, once occupied by homes, in Anfield Road for two years.
"To meet this additional demand and assist the club in remaining competitive with other Premier League clubs, the Club have procured the recent refurbishment of existing facilities and now also propose the introduction of additional accommodation in the form of a temporary marquee structure on land owned by the club at 61-71 Anfield Road and further described in the following Design and Access Statement."
That's from July, we are getting a tent.
(Joking aside it will bring money in but 500 more seats to the corps)
LIVERPOOL FC has applied for planning permission to put up a marquee behind Anfield to provide corporate hospitality for 500 people.
The marquee will be put on club-owned derelict land, once occupied by homes, in Anfield Road for two years.
"To meet this additional demand and assist the club in remaining competitive with other Premier League clubs, the Club have procured the recent refurbishment of existing facilities and now also propose the introduction of additional accommodation in the form of a temporary marquee structure on land owned by the club at 61-71 Anfield Road and further described in the following Design and Access Statement."
That's from July, we are getting a tent.
(Joking aside it will bring money in but 500 more seats to the corps)
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