All together now,...... All together now..... for Merseyside
Discussion
SimonRS said:
It's ironic because they've been going through the "appropriate channels(with untold dignity)" for 23 years. They made their first major breakthrough in their quest for justice last week. It's been a catalyst for mixed emotions, many wishing to publicly celebrate and grieve with their neighbours.
The rivalry between Liverpool and Everton is well documented, and at times nasty. At the end of the day they have put their differences aside over Hillsborough, and Evertonians have always been supportive.
This gesture was another example of Everton FC openly supporting the families and friends of the 96.
Respect, Everton FC.
YNWA
That's fair enough and I don't disagree with the sentiment.The rivalry between Liverpool and Everton is well documented, and at times nasty. At the end of the day they have put their differences aside over Hillsborough, and Evertonians have always been supportive.
This gesture was another example of Everton FC openly supporting the families and friends of the 96.
Respect, Everton FC.
YNWA
What I do find galling is the triumphant nature and continuing insistence that we should all pay special attention to the matter now. Gloating that the Police were dishonest is still gloating and is not in my eyes showing dignity for those who were sadly killed that day.
I would imagine there are many families in Turin who find the prospect of Liverpool supporters and others alongside them triumphantly heralding innocence from the roof tops regards events in the 80s a touch unfortunate, too.
All in all, this sad event happened nearly a quarter of a century ago. By all means encourage quiet commemoration on anniversaries, but to act as if this had happened yesterday is just over the top and unnecessary, in my opinion.
10 Pence Short said:
SimonRS said:
It's ironic because they've been going through the "appropriate channels(with untold dignity)" for 23 years. They made their first major breakthrough in their quest for justice last week. It's been a catalyst for mixed emotions, many wishing to publicly celebrate and grieve with their neighbours.
The rivalry between Liverpool and Everton is well documented, and at times nasty. At the end of the day they have put their differences aside over Hillsborough, and Evertonians have always been supportive.
This gesture was another example of Everton FC openly supporting the families and friends of the 96.
Respect, Everton FC.
YNWA
That's fair enough and I don't disagree with the sentiment.The rivalry between Liverpool and Everton is well documented, and at times nasty. At the end of the day they have put their differences aside over Hillsborough, and Evertonians have always been supportive.
This gesture was another example of Everton FC openly supporting the families and friends of the 96.
Respect, Everton FC.
YNWA
What I do find galling is the triumphant nature and continuing insistence that we should all pay special attention to the matter now. Gloating that the Police were dishonest is still gloating and is not in my eyes showing dignity for those who were sadly killed that day.
I would imagine there are many families in Turin who find the prospect of Liverpool supporters and others alongside them triumphantly heralding innocence from the roof tops regards events in the 80s a touch unfortunate, too.
All in all, this sad event happened nearly a quarter of a century ago. By all means encourage quiet commemoration on anniversaries, but to act as if this had happened yesterday is just over the top and unnecessary, in my opinion.
There is so much emotion and anger over this situation because 96 innocent people died on that day, 41 of them could have been saved, the police covered it up, the people of Liverpool had their reputations tarnished and that there were warnings that something like this could happen yet no action was taken to try and prevent it. There is also a huge amount of frustration that it took 23 years for the truth to come out and now it has the families, clubs, fans can all remember and grieve for the 96 safe in the knowledge that it was not their fault.
Now that the truth is out the football world is showing support and respect to the 96 and their families in their search for justice and accountability.
An almost identical thing happened in 1957 to Manchester United fans. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ma...
On a completely unrelated note and this is probably not the right place to raise this again, but this is the most likely place for someone to notice it. who ever created the Rajanotinvegas account please own up.
Now that the truth is out the football world is showing support and respect to the 96 and their families in their search for justice and accountability.
An almost identical thing happened in 1957 to Manchester United fans. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ma...
On a completely unrelated note and this is probably not the right place to raise this again, but this is the most likely place for someone to notice it. who ever created the Rajanotinvegas account please own up.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 18th September 14:50
I think I understand the points being made about àll too much` and 'its been 23 years for gods sake', but I understand more the reawakened pain that all of these families will be feeling right now.
A friend of mine was in that end on the day and was only saved by a "realy big guy" who lifted him to safety. He looked back and saw that man die before his eyes.
Its not just the families that are feeling the pain of deep wounds. There were thousands at the stadium and hundreds of family members and friends who lost loved ones.
I'm a ManU fan.
I have never gone along with the slurs against the city and people of Liverpool, made by so called educated people who have proven that they were the trash of our society.
I havn't bought a Daily Sun for over 30 years and never will because of their disgusting gutter journalism.
A friend of mine was in that end on the day and was only saved by a "realy big guy" who lifted him to safety. He looked back and saw that man die before his eyes.
Its not just the families that are feeling the pain of deep wounds. There were thousands at the stadium and hundreds of family members and friends who lost loved ones.
I'm a ManU fan.
I have never gone along with the slurs against the city and people of Liverpool, made by so called educated people who have proven that they were the trash of our society.
I havn't bought a Daily Sun for over 30 years and never will because of their disgusting gutter journalism.
so called said:
I think I understand the points being made about à ll too much` and 'its been 23 years for gods sake', but I understand more the reawakened pain that all of these families will be feeling right now.
A friend of mine was in that end on the day and was only saved by a "realy big guy" who lifted him to safety. He looked back and saw that man die before his eyes.
Its not just the families that are feeling the pain of deep wounds. There were thousands at the stadium and hundreds of family members and friends who lost loved ones.
I'm a ManU fan.
I have never gone along with the slurs against the city and people of Liverpool, made by so called educated people who have proven that they were the trash of our society.
I havn't bought a Daily Sun for over 30 years and never will because of their disgusting gutter journalism.
It's not "reawakened" though it's never been quiet. It's been non stop for 23 years. A friend of mine was in that end on the day and was only saved by a "realy big guy" who lifted him to safety. He looked back and saw that man die before his eyes.
Its not just the families that are feeling the pain of deep wounds. There were thousands at the stadium and hundreds of family members and friends who lost loved ones.
I'm a ManU fan.
I have never gone along with the slurs against the city and people of Liverpool, made by so called educated people who have proven that they were the trash of our society.
I havn't bought a Daily Sun for over 30 years and never will because of their disgusting gutter journalism.
As for the "I'm a ManU fan" the fact you've referred to the team that way suggests otherwise.
People are entitled to their views and mine is that the 96 who died were the innocent ones at the front. Mistakes were undoubtedly made but for that to happen something has o go wrong at the back. Those at the back who were forcing their way in shoulder as much blame as the police trying to avoid a crush at the turnstiles.
The "cover up" was amended statements some of which removed some comments that were very damning of the fans that day. Don't let that get I the way of your wailing though.
LoonR1 said:
It's not "reawakened" though it's never been quiet. It's been non stop for 23 years.
As for the "I'm a ManU fan" the fact you've referred to the team that way suggests otherwise.
People are entitled to their views and mine is that the 96 who died were the innocent ones at the front. Mistakes were undoubtedly made but for that to happen something has o go wrong at the back. Those at the back who were forcing their way in shoulder as much blame as the police trying to avoid a crush at the turnstiles.
The "cover up" was amended statements some of which removed some comments that were very damning of the fans that day. Don't let that get I the way of your wailing though.
Yes, I agree, reawakening was incorrect as they have fighting ingnorant biggots and far worse for all that time.As for the "I'm a ManU fan" the fact you've referred to the team that way suggests otherwise.
People are entitled to their views and mine is that the 96 who died were the innocent ones at the front. Mistakes were undoubtedly made but for that to happen something has o go wrong at the back. Those at the back who were forcing their way in shoulder as much blame as the police trying to avoid a crush at the turnstiles.
The "cover up" was amended statements some of which removed some comments that were very damning of the fans that day. Don't let that get I the way of your wailing though.
Not sure what stating my team allege fe suggests other that to point out that there are plenty of people with no alliance with liverpool FC or City who may be able to have a level of understanding to what they have gone through.
To describe the outcry as wailing would make me wonder if you too work for Murdoch.
As a neutral Spud , I believe that it was right for Everton to show solidarity with their neighbours, Liverpool, at the earliest possible occasion after the publication of last week's damning report.
The Newcastle game was the first opportunity that they had to demonstrate their support. So, they did the right thing at the right moment, IMO.
The Newcastle game was the first opportunity that they had to demonstrate their support. So, they did the right thing at the right moment, IMO.
CraigMST said:
Some absolute nobheads in this thread.
And i'm not surprised who they are neither.
Great thing Everton done last night, I expect nothing less from them though.
I find it quite interesting that by having a slightly different opinion to yours makes me "an absolute nobhead", I'm guessing the others as you refer to it in plural are 10PS and Hackney for daring to have a different opinion too.And i'm not surprised who they are neither.
Great thing Everton done last night, I expect nothing less from them though.
so called said:
Yes, I agree, reawakening was incorrect as they have fighting ingnorant biggots and far worse for all that time.
Not sure what stating my team allege fe suggests other that to point out that there are plenty of people with no alliance with liverpool FC or City who may be able to have a level of understanding to what they have gone through.
To describe the outcry as wailing would make me wonder if you too work for Murdoch.
To save you wondering - I don't.Not sure what stating my team allege fe suggests other that to point out that there are plenty of people with no alliance with liverpool FC or City who may be able to have a level of understanding to what they have gone through.
To describe the outcry as wailing would make me wonder if you too work for Murdoch.
LoonR1 said:
People are entitled to their views and mine is that the 96 who died were the innocent ones at the front. Mistakes were undoubtedly made but for that to happen something has to go wrong at the back. Those at the back who were forcing their way in shoulder as much blame as the police trying to avoid a crush at the turnstiles.
This point is what sticks in my mind. Mistakes were made by the police and the cover up was disgusting, But there must have been a stupid amount of pushing and shoving for the invents to have unfolded as they did. Some blame should be landed at the feet of those who kick-started the events. Nice gesture from Everton though, makes you realise when all is said and done there's bigger things then football.
MrMagoo said:
LoonR1 said:
People are entitled to their views and mine is that the 96 who died were the innocent ones at the front. Mistakes were undoubtedly made but for that to happen something has to go wrong at the back. Those at the back who were forcing their way in shoulder as much blame as the police trying to avoid a crush at the turnstiles.
This point is what sticks in my mind. Mistakes were made by the police and the cover up was disgusting, But there must have been a stupid amount of pushing and shoving for the invents to have unfolded as they did. Some blame should be landed at the feet of those who kick-started the events. Nice gesture from Everton though, makes you realise when all is said and done there's bigger things then football.
The gates were opened, and the fans were desperate to see the game, you can't have expected them to collectively judge the situation. The police are supposed to do that, it's called "crowd control". All the evidence has been exposed, no-one's blaming the supporters.
Go to 3.40 on this video. This shows what happens when fans try and "jib" the ground en masse.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/78...
We are supposed to believe that three years later there was not ticketless fans?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/78...
We are supposed to believe that three years later there was not ticketless fans?
digikal said:
Go to 3.40 on this video. This shows what happens when fans try and "jib" the ground en masse.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/78...
We are supposed to believe that three years later there was not ticketless fans?
Careful you don't stereotype anyone there.http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/78...
We are supposed to believe that three years later there was not ticketless fans?
Hackney said:
Careful you don't stereotype anyone there.
Not stereotyping anyone, could easily have been United that day, United fans still to this day jib into grounds. Both clubs have far more fans than tickets for big games and thus there will always be people who will do whatever it takes to get in the ground.More recently there was a very dangerous crush for United in Lille, when the same thing happened.
digikal said:
Not stereotyping anyone, could easily have been United that day, United fans still to this day jib into grounds. Both clubs have far more fans than tickets for big games and thus there will always be people who will do whatever it takes to get in the ground.
More recently there was a very dangerous crush for United in Lille, when the same thing happened.
Seen it a few times personally, especially the CL matches. Madird in 2003 was insane, as was the police reaction to keep us out with batons used mercilessly. Of course they got abuse for doing that, but if they'd let it develop what could've happened? Damned if they do and damned if they don't.More recently there was a very dangerous crush for United in Lille, when the same thing happened.
Amazing how it was commented on as a bit of fun, yet the rush as the camera pans out shows how quickly a crush can develop, was that down to policing?
digikal said:
Both clubs have far more fans than tickets for big games and thus there will always be people who will do whatever it takes to get in the ground
True, I think that's also an issue for police and stewards. They know(or should know) what they're dealing with. It's nice of you to highlight an example involving man utd, not many would.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff