So... Black players union?
Discussion
Broken Hero said:
essexplumber said:
I don't see hoards of white players etc running off to start a white only union in light of Rio Ferdinands anti-white outburst.
Which anti- white outburst?
What a load of b
ks. 'Let's create a black players union to fight against discrimination' you couldn't make this up! I also feel this whole racism in the premier league bks has been blown way out of proportion. I don't think for one minute Suarez and Terry are a couple of racists. s yes, but not racists.
Question is, what's the solution to kick out racism from the game? I personally have no idea. But do feel there needs to be a major reshuffle within the FA and UEFA. Apologies for spelling.
ks. 'Let's create a black players union to fight against discrimination' you couldn't make this up! I also feel this whole racism in the premier league bks has been blown way out of proportion. I don't think for one minute Suarez and Terry are a couple of racists. s yes, but not racists. Question is, what's the solution to kick out racism from the game? I personally have no idea. But do feel there needs to be a major reshuffle within the FA and UEFA. Apologies for spelling.
blindswelledrat said:
essexplumber said:
RF tweeted anti-white comments toward Ashley Cole. He insinuated that there was something wrong with being white.
What exactly did he say?As a white man I take that to mean that RF thinks that being white is a negative thing, he thinks that AC should lean more toward black people and not white.
Hence why I belive his comments to be anti_white.
essexplumber said:
It was something along the lines of "AC, you have let the side down you choc ice".
As a white man I take that to mean that RF thinks that being white is a negative thing, he thinks that AC should lean more toward black people and not white.
Hence why I belive his comments to be anti_white.
Whilst on balance I agree, Im sure he would argue it away as saying it refers to someone who doesn't acknowledge thier roots or similar and that he would say similar about "wiggers" and you're a bit stumped with that one, regardless of the fact you dont believe it.As a white man I take that to mean that RF thinks that being white is a negative thing, he thinks that AC should lean more toward black people and not white.
Hence why I belive his comments to be anti_white.
blindswelledrat said:
essexplumber said:
It was something along the lines of "AC, you have let the side down you choc ice".
As a white man I take that to mean that RF thinks that being white is a negative thing, he thinks that AC should lean more toward black people and not white.
Hence why I belive his comments to be anti_white.
Whilst on balance I agree, Im sure he would argue it away as saying it refers to someone who doesn't acknowledge thier roots or similar and that he would say similar about "wiggers" and you're a bit stumped with that one, regardless of the fact you dont believe it.As a white man I take that to mean that RF thinks that being white is a negative thing, he thinks that AC should lean more toward black people and not white.
Hence why I belive his comments to be anti_white.
Rio retweeeted a racist insult, calling Ashley Cole a choc ice. Black on the outside, white on the inside.
The reason for this is that Cole backed Terry in his court case. The insult to Cole was made because he failed to back a black man and instead said what he saw and heard on the day.
The feeling of Rio was that Cole should have sided with someone of the same race, regardless of what he thought to be the truth. If that's not outrageously racist, I don't know what is! If he thought Cole was lying in court, then he should have said so. He's entitled to hold that opinion. But he didn't.
I'm white but I'd back a black man against a white man if I thought the black man was in the right. If other white people object to that and see me as a race traitor, then fk 'em.
The reason for this is that Cole backed Terry in his court case. The insult to Cole was made because he failed to back a black man and instead said what he saw and heard on the day.
The feeling of Rio was that Cole should have sided with someone of the same race, regardless of what he thought to be the truth. If that's not outrageously racist, I don't know what is! If he thought Cole was lying in court, then he should have said so. He's entitled to hold that opinion. But he didn't.
I'm white but I'd back a black man against a white man if I thought the black man was in the right. If other white people object to that and see me as a race traitor, then f
k 'em.blindswelledrat said:
Negative Creep said:
Is "wigger" not an offensive term as well?
True enough, I am just suggesting that it isn't neccesarily anti-black as both black and white people would use it to describe a person who fits the descriptionI'd never condone racism, and only an idiot would want a return to the scenes we'd see in thr 70s and 80s. However looked at completely objectively, does it make sense that calling someone a f
king is regarded as normal banter, but calling someone a fking black is a disgrace and ends up in court?TwigtheWonderkid said:
Rio retweeeted a racist insult, calling Ashley Cole a choc ice. Black on the outside, white on the inside.
The reason for this is that Cole backed Terry in his court case. The insult to Cole was made because he failed to back a black man and instead said what he saw and heard on the day.
The feeling of Rio was that Cole should have sided with someone of the same race, regardless of what he thought to be the truth. If that's not outrageously racist, I don't know what is! If he thought Cole was lying in court, then he should have said so. He's entitled to hold that opinion. But he didn't.
I'm white but I'd back a black man against a white man if I thought the black man was in the right. If other white people object to that and see me as a race traitor, then fk 'em.
Using the term choc ice to describe a black man isn't anti white, if anything it's anti black.The reason for this is that Cole backed Terry in his court case. The insult to Cole was made because he failed to back a black man and instead said what he saw and heard on the day.
The feeling of Rio was that Cole should have sided with someone of the same race, regardless of what he thought to be the truth. If that's not outrageously racist, I don't know what is! If he thought Cole was lying in court, then he should have said so. He's entitled to hold that opinion. But he didn't.
I'm white but I'd back a black man against a white man if I thought the black man was in the right. If other white people object to that and see me as a race traitor, then f
k 'em.If anything,Cole was motivated by club loyalty to his captain and knew that because he was black he's testimony would hold more weight than say Suarez running to Terry's defence.
The key issue here is that it appears that Terry got a lighter sentence than Suarez. Was that because he's white and English? Nor has he been vilified in the same way as Suarez. If anything, from my point of view, Terry had no claim to cultural ignorance and should have got the same length ban.
Negative Creep said:
I can see what you mean, and ultimately only Rio will know what he meant by it. However given the context I can't see it as anything other than him calling Cole a race traitor.
Agree completely, my point was merely that the water is muddy-able hence the media havent really been able to go to town on Ferdinand. Or chosen not to.The more I hear from teh Ferdinands, the more I think they have an enormous chip on thier shoulder.
That cringeworthy 'joint statement' they issued the other night about the massive battle ahead that we must all fight together etc. which was ironic because the opening line of the statement was "Its has been 18 months since THE incident" i.e. acknowledging that it was a complete one-off. Its pretty astonishing how exaggerated one insignificant incident has become and how it has spiralled into this enormous countrywide problem that doesnt exist
RedTrident said:
Using the term choc ice to describe a black man isn't anti white, if anything it's anti black.
The key issue here is that it appears that Terry got a lighter sentence than Suarez.
I don't see how choc ice is anti black, but it matters not, it's racist, that's the point. And as such, Rio is not a fit and proper person to be head of an anti racist organisation, especially as he has never apologised for the insult.The key issue here is that it appears that Terry got a lighter sentence than Suarez.
I agree that the discrepancy between Suarez and Terry's punishments is hard to understand.
It appears that some people only think that being a racist extends to being "anti-coloured"...calling me a sweaty sock or calling a Welshman a Taff or an Englishman a Guff etc is pretty much the same as calling someone that word that shouldn't be used.
I know it's degrogatory and I know this comes from its historical uses etc...but when it's all boiled down, we're all flesh and blood and we all have our physical and cultural differences. Learning to understand these differences and have it not matter is where we should all strive to be.
I know it's degrogatory and I know this comes from its historical uses etc...but when it's all boiled down, we're all flesh and blood and we all have our physical and cultural differences. Learning to understand these differences and have it not matter is where we should all strive to be.
messcotti said:
It appears that some people only think that being a racist extends to being "anti-coloured"...calling me a sweaty sock or calling a Welshman a Taff or an Englishman a Guff etc is pretty much the same as calling someone that word that shouldn't be used.
I know it's degrogatory and I know this comes from its historical uses etc...but when it's all boiled down, we're all flesh and blood and we all have our physical and cultural differences. Learning to understand these differences and have it not matter is where we should all strive to be.
of course the colour of someone's skin doesn't really tell you much about cultural differencesI know it's degrogatory and I know this comes from its historical uses etc...but when it's all boiled down, we're all flesh and blood and we all have our physical and cultural differences. Learning to understand these differences and have it not matter is where we should all strive to be.
Me and some black guy from Leeds have less 'cultural differences' with each other than with a white Bosnian Muslim or a Kenyan tribesman
TwigtheWonderkid said:
RedTrident said:
Using the term choc ice to describe a black man isn't anti white, if anything it's anti black.
The key issue here is that it appears that Terry got a lighter sentence than Suarez.
I don't see how choc ice is anti black, but it matters not, it's racist, that's the point. And as such, Rio is not a fit and proper person to be head of an anti racist organisation, especially as he has never apologised for the insult.The key issue here is that it appears that Terry got a lighter sentence than Suarez.
I agree that the discrepancy between Suarez and Terry's punishments is hard to understand.
As to it being racist, yes I agree but it sure isn't an anti white term as suggested. I've always considered to be comparable to being called a 'sell out'
RedTrident said:
Well being someone who has been referred to as both choc ice and coconut by other black people I considered it to be an insult questioning my authenticity as a black person.
As to it being racist, yes I agree but it sure isn't an anti white term as suggested. I've always considered to be comparable to being called a 'sell out'
But by being a "choc-ice" is the slur not hinting at you being too white? As if it were a bad thing to be white.As to it being racist, yes I agree but it sure isn't an anti white term as suggested. I've always considered to be comparable to being called a 'sell out'
That is racist, full stop. If I call a white person a "wigger" or "jafakan" for acting black am I not saying that being black is a bad thing?
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