Rangers & Celtic - Coming To The EPL Very Soon Apparently!

[digikal]

Grandfondo said:

Why?
Celtic in the EPL would become as big as MU!

Not sure if serious.

[Grandfondo]

digikal said:

Grandfondo said:

Why?
Celtic in the EPL would become as big as MU!

Not sure if serious.

Totally!

[Gun]

Grandfondo said:

digikal said:

Grandfondo said:

Why?
Celtic in the EPL would become as big as MU!

Not sure if serious.

Totally!

They really wouldn't.

[Grandfondo]

Gun said:

Grandfondo said:

digikal said:

Grandfondo said:

Why?
Celtic in the EPL would become as big as MU!

Not sure if serious.

Totally!

They really wouldn't.

They already have the global fan base and on the pitch with no TV money punched above their financial weight in the CL!
Within 5 years of being in the EPL they would be a regular top 4 team!
But this will not happen because as someone said "turkeys ain't going to vote for Xmas"

[iim]

I've seen Celtic and Rangers at WHL, Highbury and West Ham in pre-season matches and they carry far more away support than Man Utd, Liverpool or anyone else have ever done - especially at WHL. They are in all parts of the ground not just the allocated away end as their fanaticism to get tickets is far greater.

[aaak]

Celtic (& to a slightly lesser extent Rangers) have a worldwide appeal because of nationality, not just some slinky advertising campaign with a preseason friendly thrown in. Few english appreciate how big Celtic are in Ireland and therefore with the Irish diaspora around the globe.
I'm a Celtic a fan of 40 years but I'm a protestant of norse genealogy, to irish catholics celtic is a religion unto itself. Part of what they stand for and believe in
I don't think that exists anywhere else in northern europe other than maybe St Pauli -who, of course, are closely linked with Celtic.

[RichB]

iim said:

I've seen Celtic and Rangers at WHL, Highbury and West Ham in pre-season matches and they carry far more away support than Man Utd, Liverpool or anyone else have ever done - especially at WHL. They are in all parts of the ground not just the allocated away end as their fanaticism to get tickets is far greater.

Well that could well be the attraction of just seeing ether team play someone other than Rangers or Celtic.

[iim]

And how many Rangers fans were in Manchester in 2008? 150,000 apparently.



No EPL team could/would get that amount of support in a UEFA cup final in Glasgow. I know Rangers fans who hire small planes from Belfast to get over for a big match.

[RichB]

I really don't know why you're trying to turn your original post into an argument. It's all hypothetical in any case and unlikely ever to happen.

[digikal]

iim said:

I've seen Celtic and Rangers at WHL, Highbury and West Ham in pre-season matches and they carry far more away support than Man Utd, Liverpool or anyone else have ever done - especially at WHL. They are in all parts of the ground not just the allocated away end as their fanaticism to get tickets is far greater.

Thats because its a one off and a novelty, United's away support sells out every game several times over year in year out at every ground in the country, including selling out the away section and taking as many home end tickets as they can too. For example season in season out 12-15000 United season ticket holders will apply for a ticket for Villa away.

We took 6000+ to Barnsley in an early round of the Carling Cup the other year on a cold midweek night

The reason we cant get many fans to Spurs away is because firstly your poxy local council half our allocation and secondly your home supporters will take all home end tickets before they would even go on general sale, thats why when we play you tickets for our end are 200-300

Below you can see an image of football shirts sold worldwide, which gives you a guide as to the popularity of clubs:-



Celtic nowhere to be seen.

Then I will guide you to the Premier League viewing figures that show United are the world's most watched football team

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/10/28/exc...

Then we have a look at Celtics attendances:-

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/footba...

"Celtic publicised a figure of 49,428 on the SPL website for their game against Ross County at Parkhead in December 20,497 more than the real attendance of 28,931"

Then from Celtics own website, some of their away allocations are on a first come first served basis, this would never happen at United and I am pretty sure never at Liverpool either.

http://www.celticfc.net/downloads/AwayGuide2012.pd...

Once the novelty wore off from them being in the Premier League they would be at Newcastle's level at best, mid-table Premier league clubs. I wouldnt expect either club to get out of the Championship (if they were entered in that division) in a hurry and FFP if it ever comes in would be a huge limit on buying their way to success. The 90's may have seen both clubs in the top half on the Premier League but that ship has sailed.

I would also suggest and without anything to back it up that there are just as many United fans in Ireland as there are Celtic. Both Glasgow clubs seriously overestimate how they are viewed and how popular they are outside of their bubble.

It is the same theory when a new club gets promoted to the Premier League for the first season or two they take their full allocation at Old Trafford as its a novelty to go there, but by year two or three they struggle to take half the allocation.

Edited by digikal on Monday 25th March 23:39

[Grandfondo]

I have already said it won't happen because the bottom half of the EPL are scared stiff of being left out of the SKY gravy train!
As for the shirt sales don't you think the fact SKY showing the EPL all over the world would help Celtic?

The attendances through the turnstiles reflect the fact that season ticket holders pick and choose their games now the league is won and the fact Ross County the newly premoted club (my home town club) is not a great attraction!

Anyway Celtic is a debt free club who have very little TV money coming in and still reached the same stages as MU and further than other EPL teams this year so if there was an extra few million coming in then who knows!

Still the first Brittish club to win the European Cup!

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Of course Celtic and Rangers have great away support, it's such a novelty to play away at another big club that they are deperate to see it. If it was happening on a regular basis, that fanatisism would soon wain.

[iim]

digikal said:

I would also suggest and without anything to back it up that there are just as many United fans in Ireland as there are Celtic.

You are joking right?



As for shirt sales equating to away support Chelsea are 2nd in one of those tables!

The most popular English team in Ireland will be Liverpool - they have very close ties traditionally with Ireland. And for all your United bias they would never in a million years take 150,000+ to Glasgow for a UEFA Cup final against FC Zenit St Petersberg. Indeed, its well documented that in 2003 around 80,000 Celtic fans travelled to watch the club in the UEFA Cup Final in Seville. Their fanaticism is also far greater than United's or anybody else in the UK's.

As you've been told (by a Scot) almost everybody in Scotland supports either Celtic or Rangers - the same is not true in England of any English club(s).

And you're nuts if you think that these 2 wouldn't sell out their ticket allocations for away games in the EPL. Not only is their the obvious religious rivalry fuelling this fanaticism there is also the Nationalistic one of Scotland v England.

Anyway, this thread isn't a willy waving competition its about Celtic & Rangers joining the EPL, lets get back on topic.

Edited by iim on Tuesday 26th March 09:24

[mikemc88]

iim said:

digikal said:

I would also suggest and without anything to back it up that there are just as many United fans in Ireland as there are Celtic.

You are joking right?



As for shirt sales equating to away support

Chelsea are 2nd in one of those tables!

Edited by iim on Tuesday 26th March 08:51

Wouldn't say it is ridiculous. All my cousins in Ireland follow English teams and have the shirts, none really follow Celtic. Seems to be the same when you look around that there are more United, Arsenal, Liverpool shirts than Celtic. Probably different across the rest of the country but that's my experience anyway.

[mercfunder]

iim said:

And how many Rangers fans were in Manchester in 2008? 150,000 apparently.

And they behaved so well, why would anyone want them back?

[iim]

mikemc88 said:

iim said:

digikal said:

I would also suggest and without anything to back it up that there are just as many United fans in Ireland as there are Celtic.

You are joking right?



As for shirt sales equating to away support

Chelsea are 2nd in one of those tables!

Wouldn't say it is ridiculous. All my cousins in Ireland follow English teams and have the shirts, none really follow Celtic. Seems to be the same when you look around that there are more United, Arsenal, Liverpool shirts than Celtic. Probably different across the rest of the country but that's my experience anyway.

You've kinda made my point.

I never said the Irish don't follow the EPL - Of course they do - but the split among the Irish is between far more EPL teams than it is Scottish teams. My best mate is an Irish pilot who supports Leeds and Rangers. This is common throughout Ireland - its an EPL team and one of either Rangers or Celtic.

[iim]

mercfunder said:

iim said:

And how many Rangers fans were in Manchester in 2008? 150,000 apparently.

And they behaved so well, why would anyone want them back?

Agreed. Policing is clearly an issue as the clubs have to pay for that themselves.

[mikemc88]

iim said:

mikemc88 said:

iim said:

digikal said:

I would also suggest and without anything to back it up that there are just as many United fans in Ireland as there are Celtic.

You are joking right?



As for shirt sales equating to away support

Chelsea are 2nd in one of those tables!

Wouldn't say it is ridiculous. All my cousins in Ireland follow English teams and have the shirts, none really follow Celtic. Seems to be the same when you look around that there are more United, Arsenal, Liverpool shirts than Celtic. Probably different across the rest of the country but that's my experience anyway.

You've kinda made my point.

I never said the Irish don't follow the EPL - Of course they do - but the split among the Irish is between far more EPL teams than it is Scottish teams. My best mate is an Irish pilot who supports Leeds and Rangers. This is common throughout Ireland - its an EPL team and one of either Rangers or Celtic.

Oh definitely, but with my cousins and their mates it has always been they support an EPL team and would do anything to go to one of the games. But with the scottish team they will say "I guess Celtic but don't really follow them" or something. Wouldn't watch them on TV or particularly follow them like they do the EPL sides.

If (they won't) Rangers / Celtic were to join the EPL then they would side with the English team IMO.

[simoid]

iim said:

mercfunder said:

iim said:

And how many Rangers fans were in Manchester in 2008? 150,000 apparently.

And they behaved so well, why would anyone want them back?

Agreed. Policing is clearly an issue as the clubs have to pay for that themselves.

Over a hundred thousand folk drinking all day, and a few dozen arrests. Not too shabby if you ask me.

[Grandfondo]

simoid said:

iim said:

mercfunder said:

iim said:

And how many Rangers fans were in Manchester in 2008? 150,000 apparently.

And they behaved so well, why would anyone want them back?

Agreed. Policing is clearly an issue as the clubs have to pay for that themselves.

Over a hundred thousand folk drinking all day, and a few dozen arrests. Not too shabby if you ask me.[/quo
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"not to shabby" go onto YouTube and look at" rangers in Manchester riots "and the hundreds of CCTV clips of the "well behaved rangers fans and you will get an idea why they are not wanted back!