The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
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technodup said:
LoonyTunes said:
6 goals in 3 games at the World Cup is barnstorming stuff
3 penalties. Barnstorming is a bit over the top.Each penalty has been for a foul on him.
Well that was fun! Reason grey hairs exist I reckon
Loftus-Cheek needs to start and Ali needs to be rested, possibly until the end of the WC. He has offered nothing and you can't afford passengers at a WC.
Every English player needs to look at Kane and Maguire as role models. Men not boys, awesome performances.
Sterling played well but we still (not just Sterling) lack any sort if guile or finesse in the final third. Getting there seems quite easy for us, but once we're there :-/ < ------ Since Euro 96 this has been true for the majority of games.
All IMO of course, I love the drama but I think we were outplayed for the last 20+ minutes of full time, which worries me.
Loftus-Cheek needs to start and Ali needs to be rested, possibly until the end of the WC. He has offered nothing and you can't afford passengers at a WC.
Every English player needs to look at Kane and Maguire as role models. Men not boys, awesome performances.
Sterling played well but we still (not just Sterling) lack any sort if guile or finesse in the final third. Getting there seems quite easy for us, but once we're there :-/ < ------ Since Euro 96 this has been true for the majority of games.
All IMO of course, I love the drama but I think we were outplayed for the last 20+ minutes of full time, which worries me.
DuncanM said:
Sterling played well but we still (not just Sterling) lack any sort if guile or finesse in the final third. Getting there seems quite easy for us, but .
I watched Sterling closely. I can't recall him making a single successful pass or shot after receiving the ball. Just losing it, every time. On reflection I think we did very well last night to survive a bruising encounter with the opposition doing their best to wind us up and cheat their way to victory. (why they chose to do that when they seemed better players than us is a mystery) .
In similar WC matches we've failed this test with better more experienced players. Think back to Beckham's petulant kick against the Argies (down to 10 men and lost on pens) and Rooney's reaction against Portugal (down to 10 men and lost on pens). Henderson nearly got us down to 10 men but we got through this time.
Just checking the QF odds on Betfair and only one team are odds-on to win in 90 minutes...England! Amazing, down to the lower quality of the opposition no doubt and closeness of the other games.
The other half seems to have the best 4 teams left and it will make for some fabulous games to come. Can't wait.
On balance and with a following wind we should beat Sweden I reckon and then a 50/50 game against either Croatia or Russia (rubbish but home support) to make the Final (which will be a shot at it but we'll get stuffed there probably by France). Who wouldn't have taken that at the start?
For me the Lingard/Ali/Sterling attack which was so good against Pub Team Panama was shown up last night against stronger opposition and created zero. Rashford and RLC, who changed the game against Tunisia when they came on, to start for me.
Think our defence has been awesome though and Pickford the right choice in goal (due to his mental strength).
Come on England.
Oh and meant to add Southgate deserves credit for apparently putting so much effort into practising penalties and studying the opposition. Likely made the difference between going through and going out. Someone should have asked Hoddle what he thought of that (famous for bragging we didn't practice them under his tenure when we lost them).
In similar WC matches we've failed this test with better more experienced players. Think back to Beckham's petulant kick against the Argies (down to 10 men and lost on pens) and Rooney's reaction against Portugal (down to 10 men and lost on pens). Henderson nearly got us down to 10 men but we got through this time.
Just checking the QF odds on Betfair and only one team are odds-on to win in 90 minutes...England! Amazing, down to the lower quality of the opposition no doubt and closeness of the other games.
The other half seems to have the best 4 teams left and it will make for some fabulous games to come. Can't wait.
On balance and with a following wind we should beat Sweden I reckon and then a 50/50 game against either Croatia or Russia (rubbish but home support) to make the Final (which will be a shot at it but we'll get stuffed there probably by France). Who wouldn't have taken that at the start?
For me the Lingard/Ali/Sterling attack which was so good against Pub Team Panama was shown up last night against stronger opposition and created zero. Rashford and RLC, who changed the game against Tunisia when they came on, to start for me.
Think our defence has been awesome though and Pickford the right choice in goal (due to his mental strength).
Come on England.
Oh and meant to add Southgate deserves credit for apparently putting so much effort into practising penalties and studying the opposition. Likely made the difference between going through and going out. Someone should have asked Hoddle what he thought of that (famous for bragging we didn't practice them under his tenure when we lost them).
Edited by Northbloke on Wednesday 4th July 11:35
ferrisbueller said:
Munter said:
I'm new to this football malarky. The new lady is keen on it, so I'm settling in to watch the England games.
I'm enjoying what seems to be the 5 or 6 minutes of quality football that happens in each half. But the shear amount of cheating in every game, trying to intimidate the ref, moving the ball when the ref's not looking, etc. I don't get it. How have the people who run the sport let it get so bad. It's madness. It's no wonder there are press stories about the struggle to find officials for grass roots football if people think that kind of behaviour is acceptable.
Rules I'd implement:
Deliberately touching the Ref = Red Card, plus additional 2 match ban
Intimidating behaviour or language towards the Ref = Red Card
More than one player talking to the ref from a single team = yellow cards for all involved
Inappropriate activity caught by VAR out of sight of the ref (e.g. digging up the penalty spot) = fans excluded from next 2 games & not broadcast live in that nation (give it a 50 min delay).
Minor infractions that don't deserve a yellow (e.g. moving the ball forward before taking a free kick/rubbing out temporary marks, probably spotted by VAR) = 5 min "sin bin".
As a relative outsider players are taking the piss out of the rule book and need to stomped on harder than they think is possible.
Absolutely agree with the sentiment. To see sI'm enjoying what seems to be the 5 or 6 minutes of quality football that happens in each half. But the shear amount of cheating in every game, trying to intimidate the ref, moving the ball when the ref's not looking, etc. I don't get it. How have the people who run the sport let it get so bad. It's madness. It's no wonder there are press stories about the struggle to find officials for grass roots football if people think that kind of behaviour is acceptable.
Rules I'd implement:
Deliberately touching the Ref = Red Card, plus additional 2 match ban
Intimidating behaviour or language towards the Ref = Red Card
More than one player talking to the ref from a single team = yellow cards for all involved
Inappropriate activity caught by VAR out of sight of the ref (e.g. digging up the penalty spot) = fans excluded from next 2 games & not broadcast live in that nation (give it a 50 min delay).
Minor infractions that don't deserve a yellow (e.g. moving the ball forward before taking a free kick/rubbing out temporary marks, probably spotted by VAR) = 5 min "sin bin".
As a relative outsider players are taking the piss out of the rule book and need to stomped on harder than they think is possible.
t like this at the pinnacle of the sport is a joke. Antics that will be replicated at every level of the game. I'd like to see a Nigel Owens level of control and mutual respect. It's a long way back from where the game is now.I doubt FIFA will address it. Bring in VAR to spot issues. Spot an issue which is a red card situation and give a yellow.
I don't think I've ever seen opposition players deliberately scuffing up the pitch before so that was quite a moment.
Durzel said:
Wouldn't be England if they didn't put the whole nation through the ringer in every match. Stoppage time equaliser and penalties... I feel at least 5 years older today.
Like you I feel 5 years older too! I'm only mid 40's but that game really stressed me out towards the end. I don't ever remember England games making me feel that tense 20 years ago. My Mrs said the same too. So chuffed we're through because I wasn't sure if we'd beat them at the start of the game. Really happy with the team as a unit, and Southgate is creating something pretty solid with his leadership.
HRL said:
Not sure why Driver101 is appearing to stick up for the Colombians. Their behaviour was disgusting throughout the match.
Yes a couple of England players succumbed to the near constant fouling and acting but I think the team showed remarkable restraint all things considered.
I completely agree, they lost their heads after Columbia equalised and for the first fifteen minutes of extra time, but were remarkably calm otherwise, especially during the penalty shootout. Colombia were absolutely despicable, no respect for the other team shown whatsoever. I'm amazed none of their players got two yellows.Yes a couple of England players succumbed to the near constant fouling and acting but I think the team showed remarkable restraint all things considered.
I suspect Driver101 is either a) Colombian, b) an ABE supporter or c) someone who spunked all his money up the wall backing Colombia to go through.
Did anyone else see the Colombian guy on the sideline that barged into I think it was Sterling?
The official had a word with him where he denied any wrongdoing and then as soon as the official left he turned around to the Colombian coach and they both smirked.
They knew what they were trying to do, and so did the rest of the Colombian squad. Dirty, dirty tactics.
The official had a word with him where he denied any wrongdoing and then as soon as the official left he turned around to the Colombian coach and they both smirked.
They knew what they were trying to do, and so did the rest of the Colombian squad. Dirty, dirty tactics.
HRL said:
Not sure why Driver101 is appearing to stick up for the Colombians. Their behaviour was disgusting throughout the match.
Yes a couple of England players succumbed to the near constant fouling and acting but I think the team showed remarkable restraint all things considered.
I'm not defending Colombia at all. Their behaviour was awful at times last night. I'm merely responded to a post about why the Colombians might have felt cheated. They had big calls go against them which have been ignored. Yes a couple of England players succumbed to the near constant fouling and acting but I think the team showed remarkable restraint all things considered.
Their conduct was awful last night and it shouldn't be tolerated getting on the ref's back and grappling. When then concentrated on playing football they were the better team.
Driver101 said:
I'm not defending Colombia at all. Their behaviour was awful at times last night. I'm merely responded to a post about why the Colombians might have felt cheated. They had big calls go against them which have been ignored.
Their conduct was awful last night and it shouldn't be tolerated getting on the ref's back and grappling. When then concentrated on playing football they were the better team.
Apart from the throw in - what else went against them?Their conduct was awful last night and it shouldn't be tolerated getting on the ref's back and grappling. When then concentrated on playing football they were the better team.
Puggit said:
My 8.45 train from Reading to Paddington was suspiciously full. Normally these later peak time trains (ie exepensive!) are quite empty, and then the early cheap trains are full again.
Busy and quiet?Everyone is slowly retreating now, the excitement on pause until Saturday, do think there are going to be some sleepy people this afternoon (myself included)
Driver101 said:
CaptainSlow said:
He quite obviously felt there was a distraction to the players that needed to be addressed before play could continue. I can't reference the exact rule however it does exist.
I can however reference exact rules why we should have been 2-0 up playing against 10 players at this point in the game.
How often are freekicks taken when the other team isn't prepared? I can however reference exact rules why we should have been 2-0 up playing against 10 players at this point in the game.
The same thing has happened in other games where opposing teams have taken advantage of other players waiting on the original ball.
It was Young who chose to throw the ball into play. You can't then call a halt to play as it didn't go your way.
I would be very surprised if there was an actual rule to cover this.
Brave Fart said:
Munter, since you're new to watching football, you won't have seen a ref such as Piereluigi Collina. He was a proper official and would never have put up with a fraction of the nonsense from Colombia last night. The match official last night was from the USA and clearly the occasion was too much him.
Collina is actually overseeing the refereeing at this World Cup so hopefully they'll address shocking behaviour such as Colombia's in future. Someone else talked about Maguire and Lingard diving - I disagree, the former was a loss of balance and the latter was arguably a penalty. If Colombia were a ten on the naughtiness scale, we were a 2 at most.
Final point - injuries.....looked to me like Ashley Young was struggling, Dele Alli clearly isn't fit, and Vardy is injured I believe. Actually this is good, because we can bring in Rose, Loftus-Cheek and Welbeck who are as good if not better players.
Lovely weather, England in the quarters, and we don't even have to put up with "come on Andy" shouts at Wimbledon. Life is good!
I suspect the Welbeck is a better player comment is clearly a gag. Collina is actually overseeing the refereeing at this World Cup so hopefully they'll address shocking behaviour such as Colombia's in future. Someone else talked about Maguire and Lingard diving - I disagree, the former was a loss of balance and the latter was arguably a penalty. If Colombia were a ten on the naughtiness scale, we were a 2 at most.
Final point - injuries.....looked to me like Ashley Young was struggling, Dele Alli clearly isn't fit, and Vardy is injured I believe. Actually this is good, because we can bring in Rose, Loftus-Cheek and Welbeck who are as good if not better players.
Lovely weather, England in the quarters, and we don't even have to put up with "come on Andy" shouts at Wimbledon. Life is good!
Driver101 said:
I'm not defending Colombia at all. Their behaviour was awful at times last night. I'm merely responded to a post about why the Colombians might have felt cheated. They had big calls go against them which have been ignored.
Their conduct was awful last night and it shouldn't be tolerated getting on the ref's back and grappling. When then concentrated on playing football they were the better team.
I think England also had some pretty good calls go against them, Kane was pulled over before the eventual penalty and Barrios should've been sent off to name but two. The ref lost control and started to bottle big decisions, but how anyone could argue that Columbia were the better team is beyond me, they only got going after full time and were intent on spoiling up to that point, a clear indication that they knew there was only one way to beat us. One of their coaching staff even shoulder barged Sterling when he was subbed, absolute disgrace.Their conduct was awful last night and it shouldn't be tolerated getting on the ref's back and grappling. When then concentrated on playing football they were the better team.
If we want to win tne tournament we need to improve.
We need more of a goal tnreat from open play.
The one player who just might provide that is rashford.
If he plays more and has a sort of owenish impact then anything is possible.
We haven’t got anyone else and we won’t win without improving.
Southgate waied an age before bringing rashford on.
We need more of a goal tnreat from open play.
The one player who just might provide that is rashford.
If he plays more and has a sort of owenish impact then anything is possible.
We haven’t got anyone else and we won’t win without improving.
Southgate waied an age before bringing rashford on.
Driver101 said:
CaptainSlow said:
Driver101 said:
London424 said:
A second ball was on the pitch. It got kicked off as the throw was going to happen, but was going to come back onto the pitch off the hoarding.
The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
What Maquire was expecting has nothing to do with it. The ball didn't come back in to play and Young had restarted play from the correct position. The reason it didn't was the lino decided to stop it...and if you've watched any football you know the lino never, ever touches the ball. They signal and watch the ball dribble past their feet.
Maguire was fully expecting the ball to come back onto the pitch so wasn't paying attention to the throw in.
It was England who chose to restart the game.
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