Discussion
Mr Snrub said:
That's a very important point, but problem is as soon as you raise it you'll be accused of blaming the victim
The point about victim blaming is that whilst it's wise not to get so drunk you don't know what's happening, you don't deserve to be assaulted or worse for being unwise.
It's sensible to lock my car, but if I don't, it shouldn't be stolen. It's the thief who is to blame for it being stolen, not me.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Mr Snrub said:
That's a very important point, but problem is as soon as you raise it you'll be accused of blaming the victim
The point about victim blaming is that whilst it's wise not to get so drunk you don't know what's happening, you don't deserve to be assaulted or worse for being unwise.
It's sensible to lock my car, but if I don't, it shouldn't be stolen. It's the thief who is to blame for it being stolen, not me.
It's a subtle problem. Making yourself vulnerable to crime does not make you deserving of being the victim. Going out with the intention of getting smashed and if possible having casual sex with a stranger is more problematic than going out meaning to get smashed and being taken advantage of as a result. It's a messy and unresolved area of human behaviour. I think in some ways it is a reflection upon the way that some parts of our society have been changed by female emancipation and others have not - which creates inconsistencies in the way that we think about these issues and the way that men and women behave. If a man wakes up next to a strange woman he wouldn't normally touch with a bargepole and very little memory of how it happened, it's a joke about the walk of shame. Roles reversed, it's a potential sex crime. The stakes are arguably higher for a woman, because she is at risk of pregnancy, though an unwanted (by him) pregnancy is also going to have long term effects on his life, over which he has no say. And we have a situation where the expectations of polite (and political) society about how men should behave (not just in a sexual context) are not matched by those of many women. Transitional phase, I think, there's been a lot of change over the last 60 years or so, which needs to bed in.
There's no misunderstanding when stealing a car. Even if the car is unlocked you know it's not legal to take it.
When it comes to sex with drunk women, where do you find that line?
How can you begin to judge when she has crossed the line where she's incapable of giving consent?
There's plenty of people who go out on a regular basis and appear to be fine at the time. The following morning the text messages and calls are often trying to piece together what actually happened for half the previous night.
It's impossible to tell when many people are too far gone. When you've had a fair amount to drink yourself your own judgement it clouded too.
Drink makes people behave in weird ways. Add in drugs with the drink and you're in more danger of someone being mixed up the next day.
When it comes to sex with drunk women, where do you find that line?
How can you begin to judge when she has crossed the line where she's incapable of giving consent?
There's plenty of people who go out on a regular basis and appear to be fine at the time. The following morning the text messages and calls are often trying to piece together what actually happened for half the previous night.
It's impossible to tell when many people are too far gone. When you've had a fair amount to drink yourself your own judgement it clouded too.
Drink makes people behave in weird ways. Add in drugs with the drink and you're in more danger of someone being mixed up the next day.
Mr Snrub said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Mr Snrub said:
That's a very important point, but problem is as soon as you raise it you'll be accused of blaming the victim
The point about victim blaming is that whilst it's wise not to get so drunk you don't know what's happening, you don't deserve to be assaulted or worse for being unwise.
It's sensible to lock my car, but if I don't, it shouldn't be stolen. It's the thief who is to blame for it being stolen, not me.
Mr Snrub said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Mr Snrub said:
That's a very important point, but problem is as soon as you raise it you'll be accused of blaming the victim
The point about victim blaming is that whilst it's wise not to get so drunk you don't know what's happening, you don't deserve to be assaulted or worse for being unwise.
It's sensible to lock my car, but if I don't, it shouldn't be stolen. It's the thief who is to blame for it being stolen, not me.
GarryDK said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If the thief was caught, would you expect them to get sympathy because temptation was put in their way? Perhaps a shorter sentence? I hope not. Thieves should not steal cars. Men should not rape women. Regardless of how easy the target.
100% correct
GarryDK said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If the thief was caught, would you expect them to get sympathy because temptation was put in their way? Perhaps a shorter sentence? I hope not. Thieves should not steal cars. Men should not rape women. Regardless of how easy the target.
100% correctHow many of us blokes on here have been involved in roasting a girl the way that these footballers have/do? How many of us have done this and had our brother and a mate outside of the window videoing it?
It has been ruled that no rape occurred on the weight of the evidence. However, I would call it abuse by consent. Total exploitation in my book. Whilst it is not a crime it is certainly morally reprehensible behaviour and shows a complete lack of respect for women. Is it the first time this has happened with footballers? I bet it happened several times in several places this weekend just gone and will happen next weekend, the weekend after and every weekend after that.
It has been ruled that no rape occurred on the weight of the evidence. However, I would call it abuse by consent. Total exploitation in my book. Whilst it is not a crime it is certainly morally reprehensible behaviour and shows a complete lack of respect for women. Is it the first time this has happened with footballers? I bet it happened several times in several places this weekend just gone and will happen next weekend, the weekend after and every weekend after that.
Trophy Husband said:
How many of us blokes on here have been involved in roasting a girl the way that these footballers have/do? How many of us have done this and had our brother and a mate outside of the window videoing it?
It has been ruled that no rape occurred on the weight of the evidence. However, I would call it abuse by consent. Total exploitation in my book. Whilst it is not a crime it is certainly morally reprehensible behaviour and shows a complete lack of respect for women. Is it the first time this has happened with footballers? I bet it happened several times in several places this weekend just gone and will happen next weekend, the weekend after and every weekend after that.
When was the last time you said "may I have your consent please?" Before doing the dirty? Consent will always be an odd discussion when alcohol is involved it makes things worse. I have woken up in the morning stark balls naked next to a girl and couldnt remember a thing from the night before. Was I raped?It has been ruled that no rape occurred on the weight of the evidence. However, I would call it abuse by consent. Total exploitation in my book. Whilst it is not a crime it is certainly morally reprehensible behaviour and shows a complete lack of respect for women. Is it the first time this has happened with footballers? I bet it happened several times in several places this weekend just gone and will happen next weekend, the weekend after and every weekend after that.
GarryDK said:
Trophy Husband said:
How many of us blokes on here have been involved in roasting a girl the way that these footballers have/do? How many of us have done this and had our brother and a mate outside of the window videoing it?
It has been ruled that no rape occurred on the weight of the evidence. However, I would call it abuse by consent. Total exploitation in my book. Whilst it is not a crime it is certainly morally reprehensible behaviour and shows a complete lack of respect for women. Is it the first time this has happened with footballers? I bet it happened several times in several places this weekend just gone and will happen next weekend, the weekend after and every weekend after that.
When was the last time you said "may I have your consent please?" Before doing the dirty? Consent will always be an odd discussion when alcohol is involved it makes things worse. I have woken up in the morning stark balls naked next to a girl and couldnt remember a thing from the night before. Was I raped?It has been ruled that no rape occurred on the weight of the evidence. However, I would call it abuse by consent. Total exploitation in my book. Whilst it is not a crime it is certainly morally reprehensible behaviour and shows a complete lack of respect for women. Is it the first time this has happened with footballers? I bet it happened several times in several places this weekend just gone and will happen next weekend, the weekend after and every weekend after that.
Trophy Husband said:
With the greatest of respect it's difficult for a woman to rape a man without the man having a boner would you not say? I would suggest the existence of a boner may well be deemed implied consent wouldn't you? The existence of a va9ina does not imply consent though does it?
Strap on?Trophy Husband said:
With the greatest of respect it's difficult for a woman to rape a man without the man having a boner would you not say? I would suggest the existence of a boner may well be deemed implied consent wouldn't you?
Spiked with Viagra? Trophy Husband said:
The existence of a va9ina does not imply consent though does it?
Exactly my point, because she was plastered and cant remember consenting meant it was rape (in the polices eyes), and that she couldnt remember meant she was incapable of consenting, which is an exceptionally weak argument. Trophy Husband said:
With the greatest of respect it's difficult for a woman to rape a man without the man having a boner would you not say? I would suggest the existence of a boner may well be deemed implied consent wouldn't you? The existence of a va9ina does not imply consent though does it?
Absolutely not. No more than a woman being sexually aroused grants you consent.popeyewhite said:
Trophy Husband said:
I would suggest the existence of a boner may well be deemed implied consent wouldn't you?
No. You can't be the only bloke who's got a boner when he didn't want one. Female on male rape is fairly well documented.Man sees va9ina, oh, look it's one of them, geronimo.
Physiological debate but an important difference.
Morning Glory, yes. Pi55 proud, yes. Not up for it? No. Good god, sometimes mine rejects my hand!
Legally a woman cannot rape. Rape is defined as the insertion of the penis into mouth, anus or vagina of another without their consent. Insertion of strap ons, bottles etc is not rape, but a serious sexual assault. To rape, you need a real penis.
A woman can be convicted of rape, as part of joint enterprise, if she for example holds down the victim whilst the man does the raping.
A woman can be convicted of rape, as part of joint enterprise, if she for example holds down the victim whilst the man does the raping.
otolith said:
Trophy Husband said:
With the greatest of respect it's difficult for a woman to rape a man without the man having a boner would you not say? I would suggest the existence of a boner may well be deemed implied consent wouldn't you? The existence of a va9ina does not imply consent though does it?
Absolutely not. No more than a woman being sexually aroused grants you consent.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff