The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
ascayman said:
Cheib said:
So Jeremy Wilson and David Orenstein are both briefing Mustafi is done for £35 mil and Perez is done for £17 mil and that it takes " total transfer spending to £100mil".
Damn wenger and his non spending!!!Cheib said:
ascayman said:
Cheib said:
So Jeremy Wilson and David Orenstein are both briefing Mustafi is done for £35 mil and Perez is done for £17 mil and that it takes " total transfer spending to £100mil".
Damn wenger and his non spending!!!
ascayman said:
Cheib said:
ascayman said:
Cheib said:
So Jeremy Wilson and David Orenstein are both briefing Mustafi is done for £35 mil and Perez is done for £17 mil and that it takes " total transfer spending to £100mil".
Damn wenger and his non spending!!!Very last minute and no clue about the 'late blooming' striker as he is being described. If mustafi is decent and can work with Koscielny then great as per was a liability in open play last season. Two effective young centre backs would be epic, just need to hold on to Sanchez and ozil now.
jammy_basturd said:
ascayman said:
Cheib said:
ascayman said:
Cheib said:
So Jeremy Wilson and David Orenstein are both briefing Mustafi is done for £35 mil and Perez is done for £17 mil and that it takes " total transfer spending to £100mil".
Damn wenger and his non spending!!!As a Liverpool fan, who's club has long underachieved, had the likes of Hodgson as manager, the likes of Konchesky on the pitch, and had the worst owners ever seen in the top flight, and hence been hours away from insolvency, I find the self pity in here cringeworthy. There's 90 odd clubs in the country who would trade places with you in a heartbeat. Get some perspective.
Turquoise said:
The wailing on here has been pitiful. They are only behind the Manchester clubs and Chelsea with regard to finances and have a great stadium, yet you'd think they are about to be asset stripped.
As a Liverpool fan, who's club has long underachieved, had the likes of Hodgson as manager, the likes of Konchesky on the pitch, and had the worst owners ever seen in the top flight, and hence been hours away from insolvency, I find the self pity in here cringeworthy. There's 90 odd clubs in the country who would trade places with you in a heartbeat. Get some perspective.
Liverpool fans always forget about Dalglish when they mention the bad managers they've had!!As a Liverpool fan, who's club has long underachieved, had the likes of Hodgson as manager, the likes of Konchesky on the pitch, and had the worst owners ever seen in the top flight, and hence been hours away from insolvency, I find the self pity in here cringeworthy. There's 90 odd clubs in the country who would trade places with you in a heartbeat. Get some perspective.
I seem to remember a lot of whining from your lot regarding American owners so I find it a bit rich coming from a Liverpool fan regarding our current plight.The other 90 clubs don't get robbed at the turnstiles or when their buying a hot dog.
Raygun said:
Turquoise said:
The wailing on here has been pitiful. They are only behind the Manchester clubs and Chelsea with regard to finances and have a great stadium, yet you'd think they are about to be asset stripped.
As a Liverpool fan, who's club has long underachieved, had the likes of Hodgson as manager, the likes of Konchesky on the pitch, and had the worst owners ever seen in the top flight, and hence been hours away from insolvency, I find the self pity in here cringeworthy. There's 90 odd clubs in the country who would trade places with you in a heartbeat. Get some perspective.
Liverpool fans always forget about Dalglish when they mention the bad managers they've had!!As a Liverpool fan, who's club has long underachieved, had the likes of Hodgson as manager, the likes of Konchesky on the pitch, and had the worst owners ever seen in the top flight, and hence been hours away from insolvency, I find the self pity in here cringeworthy. There's 90 odd clubs in the country who would trade places with you in a heartbeat. Get some perspective.
I seem to remember a lot of whining from your lot regarding American owners so I find it a bit rich coming from a Liverpool fan regarding our current plight.The other 90 clubs don't get robbed at the turnstiles or when their buying a hot dog.
Challo said:
Going on the Liverpool thread is cringworthy. Constantly moaning about the team, signings, managers etc...and still think they are a huge club. Maybe in the 70's-80's but not now.
Liverpool - 55,000 managers at every home game and several million on online forums. Every single one of them seems to know bett than whoever' s in charge. They're not always wrong to be fair....
Turquoise said:
The wailing on here has been pitiful. They are only behind the Manchester clubs and Chelsea with regard to finances and have a great stadium, yet you'd think they are about to be asset stripped.
As a Liverpool fan, who's club has long underachieved, had the likes of Hodgson as manager, the likes of Konchesky on the pitch, and had the worst owners ever seen in the top flight, and hence been hours away from insolvency, I find the self pity in here cringeworthy. There's 90 odd clubs in the country who would trade places with you in a heartbeat. Get some perspective.
So say for a second any of those 90 clubs did actually get to trade places with Arsenal, do you think that after 10 or so years of being in that position, going through exactly what Arsenal have gone through, the fans of whichever club it was would be happy as Larry with the situation? As a Liverpool fan, who's club has long underachieved, had the likes of Hodgson as manager, the likes of Konchesky on the pitch, and had the worst owners ever seen in the top flight, and hence been hours away from insolvency, I find the self pity in here cringeworthy. There's 90 odd clubs in the country who would trade places with you in a heartbeat. Get some perspective.
The aspirations and expectations of every club is based upon their resources (and to a certain extent) their recent history. Are you suggesting that only fans of the club that is bottom of League 2 have any right to be thoroughly cheesed off with their predicament, and every other club should just be grateful because there is another club worse off? What about the non-league clubs, surely any of those would give anything to be bottom of league two?
Baring the occasional anomaly (Leicester winning the league etc), every club has it's realistic targets to aim for- whether that is winning the league, getting top 4, avoiding relegation, or getting promotion from the league below. Arsenal have consistently failed to achieve their target (or even look like reaching it), by consistently making the same mistakes season after season. Other clubs have failed to reach their targets too, granted, but have at least showed some ambition and embraced change in an attempt to improve things. Arsenal however have not.
I would argue we've not even had one of the anomaly seasons- i.e. I think it's fair to say Liverpool's target is a top 4 finish, and despite failing in that for several seasons, they had one season where they were a whisker away from winning the league. Whilst Arsenal's consistent Top 3 or 4 finishes and last-16 Champs League exits might be a source of jealousy to other clubs, to a club that has the resources to challenge for the League and at least reach the Quarters/Semis of the CL it is a source of consistent frustration.
Every club should want to better itself, but it's the seeming complete lack of that ambition at Arsenal (despite the publicly available finances, the huge new TV revenue that every other club is making use of, endless promises that the move to the emirates would signal a new dawn for the club etc etc) for year after year after year after year, which is precisely what is getting to the fans.
That's my take on it anyway.
London424 said:
I guess at least fans had heard of these two rather than the two looking like coming in 
I hadn't heard of Viera, Petit, Anelka or Nasri (amongst others) before they signed for Arsenal.Positive news regarding transfers, very disappointed it's taken so long but pleased the remaining positions that need strengthening are about to be addressed it seems.
London424 said:
I guess at least fans had heard of these two rather than the two looking like coming in
- He rates him
Turquoise said:
The wailing on here has been pitiful. They are only behind the Manchester clubs and Chelsea with regard to finances and have a great stadium, yet you'd think they are about to be asset stripped.
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We're ahead of Chelsea now on financials. Roman's stopped funding his plaything presumably as he's no longer got the biggest wallet. .
m3sye said:
London424 said:
I guess at least fans had heard of these two rather than the two looking like coming in
- He rates him
Good piece on Perez here, writte last Dec so a "neutral" perspective
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/dec/...
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/dec/...
Raygun said:
First two games are against Liverpool and the reigning champions would it of been a good idea to get any new signings in before the season started????
Have to agree here.If Arsenal lose tomorrow & United, Chelsea & City win that will be 8 points adrift , i reckon that would put paid to any title dreams.
Surely top teams have to be prepared from day 1 not day 21.
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