The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4

[Black can man]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I am happy to report that Chelsea have no hooligan issues at all. Every one of our fans has Mensa membership, and at half time can often be found standing around the windswept concourses sipping Lapsang Shouchong and discussing Chekhov.

[TEKNOPUG]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

TEKNOPUG said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

silverfoxcc said:

I discount Chelsea as they just bought everything. Without the roubles they would be still be championship level

In the 6 year period leading up to Abromovic getting involved, we won 2 FA Cups and were competing in the CL by finishing top 4. And beating Spuds 6-1 at WHL. But don't let the facts get in the way of trotting out stuff that makes you feel good.

You were bankrupt at the end though to be fair and would have followed Leeds and Portsmouth to the ultimate conclusion had the Russian not stepped in.

Indeed. Just as Spuds were bankrupt when Robert Maxwell stepped in to save the day.

Sorry, not Robert Maxwell.....unwitting Mirror Group pensioners.

Glass houses and all that.

It was Sugar actually, not Maxwell. Maxwell never put a pound into Spurs. And yes, we were winning European trophies and FA Cups whilst you were yo-yoing between divisions. And our financial issues were down to poor investments and stadium construction, not blowing it all on players & agents. Either way, I'd imagine that most clubs could have some success if they took out loans and spent all the money in the bank on players. Do Leeds and Pompey fans look back fondly on their successes of the last couple of decades, whilst spending the rest of the time and the foreseeable future languishing in the lower leagues? Chelsea's success pre RA would only be relevant if you were now playing Burton & Barnsley each week.

But I digress, as this is a Gooner thread, here's something to cheer them up. Arsene is already signing up new players for next season...

[Eddie Strohacker]

TEKNOPUG said:

It was Sugar actually, not Maxwell. Maxwell never put a pound into Spurs. And yes, we were winning European trophies and FA Cups whilst you were yo-yoing between divisions. And our financial issues were down to poor investments and stadium construction, not blowing it all on players & agents. Either way, I'd imagine that most clubs could have some success if they took out loans and spent all the money in the bank on players. Do Leeds and Pompey fans look back fondly on their successes of the last couple of decades, whilst spending the rest of the time and the foreseeable future languishing in the lower leagues? Chelsea's success pre RA would only be relevant if you were now playing Burton & Barnsley each week.

But I digress, as this is a Gooner thread, here's something to cheer them up. Arsene is already signing up new players for next season...

That's not true, as a matter of fact. Maxwell lent Scholar just over a million to finance the fag end of Lineker's deal from Barcelona.

However, on the more substantive point of Maxwell at Spurs: Bullst. Never happened.

[Glassman]

I was with mates in a (very busy) Barnet pub amongst a fairly even mix of spuds and goons. It was all quite cautious in terms of crowd support in front of the screens, but as soon as the second goal went in, the attitude in a lot of the spurs fans changed. Many of them just got really angry and aggressive. It wasn't aimed directly towards anyone but I (we) have no doubt it was provocation. They wanted a reaction. And this wasn't just my opinion, but three or four spuds in our crowd also felt the same.

[Ascayman]

Eddie Strohacker said:

However, on the more substantive point of Maxwell at Spurs: Bullst. Never happened.

This has been pointed out to twig before he chooses not to listen because it suits his justification.

[TEKNOPUG]

Eddie Strohacker said:

That's not true, as a matter of fact. Maxwell lent Scholar just over a million to finance the fag end of Lineker's deal from Barcelona.

However, on the more substantive point of Maxwell at Spurs: Bullst. Never happened.

Yes, he lent money to Scholar, not to Spurs.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Ascayman said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

However, on the more substantive point of Maxwell at Spurs: Bullst. Never happened.

This has been pointed out to twig before he chooses not to listen because it suits his justification.

Maxwell stepped in to bail Schiolar, and thus Spurs, out, which is what I said and is true. I never said he became chairman.

[Eddie Strohacker]

No he didn't. It's well documented he did no such thing. He lent money to buy a player & that's it, bailing the club out is once again, bullst & yes, Maxwell lent money to Scholar, the chairman of the board of Tottenham in order for Tottenham to finance the purchase of a player for Tottenham, so let's not dance on the head of a pin over provenance of cash, solicitors agreements or any other nonsense shall we?

Back to the Arsenal I think.

[Cupramax]

TEKNOPUG said:

But I digress, as this is a Gooner thread, here's something to cheer them up. Arsene is already signing up new players for next season...

Gunnersaurus would be an improvement on several players performances yesterday

[Cheib]

Stories of people a long way down the season ticket waiting list (i.e. were 10,000 plus down the list last year) getting offered a season ticket for next year. I think I was no 35,000 or so last year so give it another year and I should be in with a shout!

[jammy-git]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I am happy to report that Chelsea have no hooligan issues at all. Every one of our fans has Mensa membership, and at half time can often be found standing around the windswept concourses sipping Lapsang Shouchong and discussing Chekhov.

Chekhov?! Peasants.

[aeropilot]

Cupramax said:

While we were paying for the Emirates ensuring we were top 4 was a good thing, it allowed us to pay the stadium off quickly, but since then there has been absolutely no drive or desire from the board down to take that big step onwards that the stadium was supposed to allow us to do.

Yes, but the big-step onwards that building the stadium was supposed to give, was prior to Silent Stan taking control in 2011......thus rendering that reason as null-and-void.
The only big step onwards the stadium provides since then is a to provide another means for Silent Stan to buy up an ever increasing amount of Texas. And its all it ever will be. It will be interesting to see what Europa League football will mean for us next year, or rather the impact on SS's financial dealings.

It amazes me that other club fans continually make comment about RA's spending money at Chelsea, but, compared to virtually all of the other 'big' club owners, hes nearly always at a match, he was even at the Bridge watching the FA Youth Cup final last week! That's more than can be said of our absent US owner (as well as the ones from Liverpool and Man U)

[Glassman]

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[anonymous-user]

Our team needs at least 5 or 6 new players. We should off load Ozil, Walcott, Bellerin, Gabriel, Giroud, Mustafi, Xhaka, Mertesacker, and Wenger. If this don't happen we just stay in the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th zone. We might as well be in 7th place rather than 4th as we're never gonna win the Champions League, at least we avoid the humiliation of the February exit like we normally do.

[aeropilot]

Raygun said:

Our team needs at least 5 or 6 new players. We should off load Ozil, Walcott, Bellerin, Gabriel, Giroud, Mustafi, Xhaka, Mertesacker, and Wenger. If this don't happen we just stay in the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th zone. We might as well be in 7th place rather than 4th as we're never gonna win the Champions League, at least we avoid the humiliation of the February exit like we normally do.

Yep.

Our owner doesn't want to compete with Chelsea, City & Utd or for titles.

So that leaves us in the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th battle with Liverpool, Everton and Spurs (although, on pitch at the moment, Spurs are way above us, and will only likely drop back into the 5-7th battle when they loose their manager to a bigger club (inevitable) and they sell some of their current squad to help pay for the new stadium (likely)

[Black can man]

aeropilot said:

Yep.

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So that leaves us in the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th battle with Liverpool, Everton and Spurs (although, on pitch at the moment, Spurs are way above us, and will only likely drop back into the 5-7th battle when they loose their manager to a bigger club (inevitable) and they sell some of their current squad to help pay for the new stadium (likely)

Hurting isn't it

[Cheib]

aeropilot said:

Cupramax said:

While we were paying for the Emirates ensuring we were top 4 was a good thing, it allowed us to pay the stadium off quickly, but since then there has been absolutely no drive or desire from the board down to take that big step onwards that the stadium was supposed to allow us to do.

Yes, but the big-step onwards that building the stadium was supposed to give, was prior to Silent Stan taking control in 2011......thus rendering that reason as null-and-void.
The only big step onwards the stadium provides since then is a to provide another means for Silent Stan to buy up an ever increasing amount of Texas. And its all it ever will be. It will be interesting to see what Europa League football will mean for us next year, or rather the impact on SS's financial dealings.

It amazes me that other club fans continually make comment about RA's spending money at Chelsea, but, compared to virtually all of the other 'big' club owners, hes nearly always at a match, he was even at the Bridge watching the FA Youth Cup final last week! That's more than can be said of our absent US owner (as well as the ones from Liverpool and Man U)

Definitely starting to have an impact....plenty of tickets available on the Ticket Exchange for Man U this weekend (would normally be none)...that will still be shown as a sell out though because they're season ticket holders. More of a concern for the board will be the amount of tickets not sold for Sunderland...there are currently 80% of tickets in some blocks not sold with tickets on general sale.

I just can't see Wenger getting a two year renewal on current terms/mandate. They just cannot have faith that he can turn this round. One well known supporter posed a question on Twitter yesterday "Which current PL manager would have done worse with this squad than Wenger" Not an easy question to answer....

[bobo]

Raygun said:

Our team needs at least 5 or 6 new players. We should off load Ozil, Walcott, Bellerin, Gabriel, Giroud, Mustafi, Xhaka, Mertesacker, and Wenger. If this don't happen we just stay in the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th zone. We might as well be in 7th place rather than 4th as we're never gonna win the Champions League, at least we avoid the humiliation of the February exit like we normally do.

i dont agree with that. the team / players are punching well below their weight.

sure dump ligue 2 giroud, bfg and 'oh no i gave the ball away i better smile ... but my hair looks good' ramsey but the rest can work with a better more aggressive tactically astute manager. 75pc of football is physiology not necessarily skill set. i agree we need to strengthen but to blame the players here is completely missing the point.

[TEKNOPUG]

bobo said:

Raygun said:

Our team needs at least 5 or 6 new players. We should off load Ozil, Walcott, Bellerin, Gabriel, Giroud, Mustafi, Xhaka, Mertesacker, and Wenger. If this don't happen we just stay in the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th zone. We might as well be in 7th place rather than 4th as we're never gonna win the Champions League, at least we avoid the humiliation of the February exit like we normally do.

i dont agree with that. the team / players are punching well below their weight.

sure dump ligue 2 giroud, bfg and 'oh no i gave the ball away i better smile ... but my hair looks good' ramsey but the rest can work with a better more aggressive tactically astute manager. 75pc of football is physiology not necessarily skill set. i agree we need to strengthen but to blame the players here is completely missing the point.

Yes, no, maybe. I'd suggest that there have been 5 years of either under investment or poor buys. Ozil & Sanchez seemed to be signings purely to placate the fans. The general quality of the squad has at best stagnated compared to immediate rivals over the same period. Which players would the clubs above you covet? Sanchez obviously. Ozil perhaps. Maybe Bellerin/Kos. But the rest? None of them would get a kick at Chelsea, Spurs or City. I certianly think that your current squad is not playing to it's ability but also that just changing manager is not going to see a marked improvment in fortunes.

[bobo]

TEKNOPUG said:

Yes, no, maybe. I'd suggest that there have been 5 years of either under investment or poor buys. Ozil & Sanchez seemed to be signings purely to placate the fans. The general quality of the squad has at best stagnated compared to immediate rivals over the same period. Which players would the clubs above you covet? Sanchez obviously. Ozil perhaps. Maybe Bellerin/Kos. But the rest? None of them would get a kick at Chelsea, Spurs or City. I certianly think that your current squad is not playing to it's ability but also that just changing manager is not going to see a marked improvment in fortunes.

perhaps, perhaps not.... not but i'm of the opinion (and i have been consistent on here for over three years with it) tell me a top 10 EPL manager that would do worse than AW with that lot?

depends how you quantify 'marked improvement'....