The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4

[anonymous-user]

TEKNOPUG said:

Surely Usamanov is also primarily interested in the financial returns (albeit he may have greater on field ambitions) so he's never going to pay over the odds?

I'm guessing he's a bit more like Abramovich, carefree with his money and rewards winners generously but not managers who think fourth place is good enough every year.

[Glassman]

Alfahorn said:

He's dismissive of everyone , the fans, the media when they try and challenge him.

This season he will mostly be blaming the hostile atmosphere.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10888...

[aeropilot]

Alfahorn said:

For this club to move forward firstly we need to resolve the issues at board level. Kroenke has no interest in the club other than milking it financially, somehow we need him forced out and I suspect Usmanov is going to have to offer a staggering financial package to get rid of him.

Indeed........but I feel Kroenke will not sell to Usmanov no matter what the price, on a point of principle.

So....

My predictions for the next 12 months:-

Wenger will stay for at least another 2 years.
Sanchez will leave in the summer.
AW will spend strong money on more mediocrity again in the summer (who will then be bench warmers)
Usmanov will make one more enhanced offer (which will be rejected)
Usmanov will then sell his shares to Kroenke giving him full control.
We'll get dumped out of the Europa league before the last 16.
We'll finish in 5th/6th at end of next season.

[TEKNOPUG]

Raygun said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Surely Usamanov is also primarily interested in the financial returns (albeit he may have greater on field ambitions) so he's never going to pay over the odds?

I'm guessing he's a bit more like Abramovich, carefree with his money and rewards winners generously but not managers who think fourth place is good enough every year.

He'd just buy someone else though if that was the case, no? Why leave his money at Arsenal for years when there are any number of clubs he could buy and do a Roman? I can only guess he thinks he'll make an even greater return if he was running the club than Stan.

Edited by TEKNOPUG on Monday 22 May 09:14

[Dinlowgoon]

I put the blame wholeheartedly at the fans who continue to renew their absurdly inflated season tickets. They hold the key to stop this,only by throwing them back will we see change.
I honestly thought the worm had turned at the Sunderland game when the ground was half empty - FFS hit them where it hurts.

[mylesmcd]

Wenger is disorganised, arrogant, stubborn, selfish, egotistical, and dictatorial, his attitude is abhorrent. He's dismissive of everyone , the fans, the media when they try and challenge him. He's a thoroughly nasty piece of work who is only interested in Arsene Wenger.
[/quote]


Hahaha, stop it. Really. With out him the club would not be where it is today - financially or football wise. You fail to relaise that even with 10's of millions spent on a team there is no guarantee of playing better than we have been.

Wenger has been ham hocked by Stan. He loves the Club too much to walk away but has been given zero backing in the transfer market to go after large targets we need - you only have to look at the other Stan clubs to realize this.

On a different note, the Uzi bid is dead and gone. The going public with it was 'toys out of pram' as the arrogance of Stan meant he didnt even reply to the bid.

[TEKNOPUG]

mylesmcd said:

Wenger has been ham hocked by Stan. He loves the Club too much to walk away but has been given zero backing in the transfer market to go after large targets we need - you only have to look at the other Stan clubs to realize this.

Apart from the £32m he spent in 2014. And the £77.5m in 2015. And £20m in 2016. And £87m last year.....

£216m net transfer spend in 4 years....

Sure it would always be nice to have more to spend but you're hardly being run on a shoe string. Is it not also the case that AW is mis-spending what money he has been given? He's spending an awful lot of money on not very good players - or certainly players that don't return on the pitch, the investment made? Is giving him more money just going to result in more mediocre players and bigger flops?

[London424]

Zero backing in the transfer market? What rubbish. 3rd highest net spenders in the last 5 years. Able to bring in big money signings if you want. Plenty of funds available. It's Wenger and his stubborn streak thinking that you don't really need the players or only need a tweak or two.

[TEKNOPUG]

London424 said:

Zero backing in the transfer market? What rubbish. 3rd highest net spenders in the last 5 years. Able to bring in big money signings if you want. Plenty of funds available. It's Wenger and his stubborn streak thinking that you don't really need the players or only need a tweak or two.

Paying Aaron Ramsey, Walcott and Giroud £100k+ a week is hardly an excuse for pleading poverty. Stupidity maybe...

Mind you, they're paying Wenger more than all the players, which makes the board somewhat profligate.

[mylesmcd]

TEKNOPUG said:

mylesmcd said:

Wenger has been ham hocked by Stan. He loves the Club too much to walk away but has been given zero backing in the transfer market to go after large targets we need - you only have to look at the other Stan clubs to realize this.

Apart from the £32m he spent in 2014. And the £77.5m in 2015. And £20m in 2016. And £87m last year.....

£216m net transfer spend in 4 years....

Sure it would always be nice to have more to spend but you're hardly being run on a shoe string. Is it not also the case that AW is mis-spending what money he has been given? He's spending an awful lot of money on not very good players - or certainly players that don't return on the pitch, the investment made? Is giving him more money just going to result in more mediocre players and bigger flops?

£216 million in 4 years, or £54m a season. You feel that is on par with the rest of the clubs competing for the Premiership? Against the back drop of the highest prices on any PL team?

I agree that we are not ran on a shoestring for sure and there have been some massively disappointing buys/players. I guess I feel for Wenger a bit, as he looked genuinely disturbed yesterday and in the back of my mind when he goes we will have a lengthy period of instability until the good times return.
I think we all agree that change is needed and we our out of control of where that change is coming from.....if at all.

[aeropilot]

TEKNOPUG said:

Is it not also the case that AW is mis-spending what money he has been given? He's spending an awful lot of money on not very good players - or certainly players that don't return on the pitch, the investment made? Is giving him more money just going to result in more mediocre players and bigger flops?

This.

Apart from Sanchez who was an absolute bargain....and Cech and Welbeck who were value for money buys (maybe Belerin as well) I'd agree AW has paid too much money for too little quality, which given his supposed reputation, is a continual mystery to me....other than to prove he is way out of touch now.

[aeropilot]

TEKNOPUG said:

Mind you, they're paying Wenger more than all the players, which makes the board somewhat profligate.

Exactly..........he's being paid (and has been for at least 5 years now) way to much for his ability and results.

[joema]

Just angry at Stan because he won't sack Wenger?

Plenty of cash available and other teams success with less spend shows money isn't always key.
And money doesn't always buy decent players. I'm sure we can list plenty of signings bought in good faith that haven't worked out who showed plenty of promise.

What is frustrating is the last run we've been on has been decent. don't know why it took so long to switch to 3 at the back. Wenger is to blame for a bit but a lot of it has to be players. They are the ones on the pitch at the end of the day.

Good result yesterday with 10 men. Shame for Rob Holding to give away a pen but he looks really promising. Bit of an issue with centre backs now though... BFG?

[aeropilot]

joema said:

Just angry at Stan because he won't sack Wenger?

Hardly....


Angry at 'The Club' for allowing a person with no interest in football, or wanting to win trophies, become the majority shareholder in the club in the first place.


The fact that AW gives Stan precisely what Stan wants is just a product of the fact that we are stuck with Stan.

[Adam B]

Raygun said:

As I said before if Kronke and Wenger decide to stay and the quality of football stays the same the cost of season tickets and refreshments should at least be halved from their current prices to reflect this.

cloudcuckooland

Dinlowgoon said:

I put the blame wholeheartedly at the fans who continue to renew their absurdly inflated season tickets. They hold the key to stop this,only by throwing them back will we see change.
I honestly thought the worm had turned at the Sunderland game when the ground was half empty - FFS hit them where it hurts.

reality

[Blib]

Is it correct that it was Terry's idea that he should be substituted in the 26th minute?

[mylesmcd]

I know we all have Arseblog on tap here but;

Stan has issued a statement that he isn't and never was selling.

[m3sye]

Blib said:

Is it correct that it was Terry's idea that he should be substituted in the 26th minute?

You in the wrong thread?

[Alfahorn]

mylesmcd said:

Hahaha, stop it. Really. With out him the club would not be where it is today - financially or football wise. You fail to relaise that even with 10's of millions spent on a team there is no guarantee of playing better than we have been.

I don't fail to realise anything.

The argument the club wouldn't be where it is today is now as tired an excuse as his methods, tactics, repetitive and delusional press conferences.

He's had money and largely wasted it. It's time to stop making excuses for him, he's doesn't deserve it. He's a football manager not an accountant and on football matters he's underachieving.

As you rightly say. There is no guarantee we'll be more successful with another manager, coaching set up or board but we need to try. That is the fundamental point, success isn't a divine right neither is pretty football but we must make changes. The club needs a rethink simple as that.

[TEKNOPUG]

Surely it's better to fail aiming high, than to succeed aiming low? That seems to be the fundamental problem at Arse. The club's only aspiration and indeed expectation is to qualify for the CL. That means that AW has been under minimal scrutiny & pressure for the last 10 years. There is no ambition from the club to achieve more and this must have an effect on the players. Which is why they never achieve more than is expected of them.

Qualify for the CL and get out of the group. That's it. You can argue that 4th is a realistic expectation when competing against the resources of Manchesters and Chelsea. But getting knocked out in the last 16 for 7 years running cannot possibly be acceptable for the club with the 7th highest revenue in the world. I can't imagine anything other club in the top 16 rich list thinking the manager was meeting expectations and should continue.