The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
mylesmcd said:
In other news; I expect Ozil and Sanchez to be tidied up now that Wenger has signed.
Arseblog is carrying stories that there are final big money offers on the table now.
Every cloud?
Is that a good thing or not though? My understanding was that Sanchez was frustrated with the performances and attitude of the team/players (Wenger). With Wenger staying, that's unlikely to change Sanchez's view. If he'll stay if you throw enough cash at him, does that throw into question his motovation next season? Do you risk him going through the motions, happy to collect his pay?Arseblog is carrying stories that there are final big money offers on the table now.
Every cloud?
Alfahorn said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40073103
There you go. As expected.
The Dictator just waiting for that good news story.
Disappointed...but as you say, hardly unexpected!There you go. As expected.
The Dictator just waiting for that good news story.
Driver101 said:
It was his chance to go out on a high.
Yep. Because he's a f
king stupid bd that doesn't recognise even now that he's yesterday's man it's not a surprise he's signed. It'll only take 1 defeat next season for the abuse to start and I think it will be considerably worse than this year.
He's utterly f
king moronic and self obsessed. TEKNOPUG said:
Is that a good thing or not though? My understanding was that Sanchez was frustrated with the performances and attitude of the team/players (Wenger). With Wenger staying, that's unlikely to change Sanchez's view. If he'll stay if you throw enough cash at him, does that throw into question his motovation next season? Do you risk him going through the motions, happy to collect his pay?
Yep, I think he and Ozil should get out while they have the chance to achieve something in their careers. Dinlowgoon said:
Yipper said:
Think Arsenal fans get carried away and ideas above their station. Wenger has a win ratio of 58% and has won an average of 0.76 trophies per year since he joined Arsenal in 1996. That compares with Arsenal FC's overall record of 0.27 trophies per year between 1893 and 1996. His performance is way above-average for Arsenal.
A perfect example of how stats can be misleading. So you consider losing to Bayern 10-2 over 2 legs and finishing mid table progress over the last year ?One game does not a season make.
Where has that fire and enthusiasm been all season ? - down to the manager to install it and nurture.
Arsenal need to get realistic. They are not a superclub, like Real Madrid, and have never won a proper European trophy. An experienced hand who keeps the club profitable and wins the odd domestic cup is about the best Arsenal can (and should) hope for at the moment.
Yipper said:
Arsenal need to get realistic. They are not a superclub, like Real Madrid, and have never won a proper European trophy. An experienced hand who keeps the club profitable and wins the odd domestic cup is about the best Arsenal can (and should) hope for at the moment.
1) Gooners are entirely realistic, with the stadium and the enormous revenues we aspire to being a superclub - i.e. Top 10 in Europe. For that to happen routine quarter-final placing in the ECL and EPL Championships at least once every 4 years has to happen2) Define a proper European trophy, you must mean more than the ECL or you would have said that. UEFA cup winners 1969/70. Cup Winners Cup Champs 1993/94
3) The odd domestic cup is for the likes of Spurs to aspire to - with the correct management the long overdue next step up is entirely possible.
Trophybloo said:
Yipper said:
Arsenal need to get realistic. They are not a superclub, like Real Madrid, and have never won a proper European trophy. An experienced hand who keeps the club profitable and wins the odd domestic cup is about the best Arsenal can (and should) hope for at the moment.
1) Gooners are entirely realistic, with the stadium and the enormous revenues we aspire to being a superclub - i.e. Top 10 in Europe. For that to happen routine quarter-final placing in the ECL and EPL Championships at least once every 4 years has to happen2) Define a proper European trophy, you must mean more than the ECL or you would have said that. UEFA cup winners 1969/70. Cup Winners Cup Champs 1993/94
3) The odd domestic cup is for the likes of Spurs to aspire to - with the correct management the long overdue next step up is entirely possible.
Wenger's managerial record is 3 times better than the Arsenal average. He is an above-average and perfectly good manager for a second-tier club (in global terms) like Arsenal.
Trophybloo said:
Yipper said:
Arsenal need to get realistic. They are not a superclub, like Real Madrid, and have never won a proper European trophy. An experienced hand who keeps the club profitable and wins the odd domestic cup is about the best Arsenal can (and should) hope for at the moment.
1) Gooners are entirely realistic, with the stadium and the enormous revenues we aspire to being a superclub - i.e. Top 10 in Europe. For that to happen routine quarter-final placing in the ECL and EPL Championships at least once every 4 years has to happen2) Define a proper European trophy, you must mean more than the ECL or you would have said that. UEFA cup winners 1969/70. Cup Winners Cup Champs 1993/94
3) The odd domestic cup is for the likes of Spurs to aspire to - with the correct management the long overdue next step up is entirely possible.
How long can the tv deal keep going on when there has been such a dramatic decline in people watching? Viewing figures are down 40% now with the average viewing numbers only 1m for a premier game like on Sky.
It's over £11 per viewer per game on average. I noticed that the last games of the season for the London clubs were only managing around 650,000 viewers. That's over £16 per viewer on the current Sky deal. Can it really continue?
Yipper said:
Again, slightly overinflated expectations. Arsenal are not even in the top-20 biggest stadiums by capacity in the European Champions League countries. Lots of bigger clubs out there.
Most expensive season tickets in Europe, and 7th richest club, gives the fans a right to have expectations to match that expense and value........Driver101 said:
The issue is the standard of football in England is on the decline. The gap between the the best is increasing and the rest is closing. It now feels like a shock when an English cup manages to beat an elite club.
How long can the tv deal keep going on when there has been such a dramatic decline in people watching? Viewing figures are down 40% now with the average viewing numbers only 1m for a premier game like on Sky.
It's over £11 per viewer per game on average. I noticed that the last games of the season for the London clubs were only managing around 650,000 viewers. That's over £16 per viewer on the current Sky deal. Can it really continue?
I feel like you're mixing causation and correlation.How long can the tv deal keep going on when there has been such a dramatic decline in people watching? Viewing figures are down 40% now with the average viewing numbers only 1m for a premier game like on Sky.
It's over £11 per viewer per game on average. I noticed that the last games of the season for the London clubs were only managing around 650,000 viewers. That's over £16 per viewer on the current Sky deal. Can it really continue?
I'd say the standard within the PL is getting better. The lower and mid-table clubs are all of a decent standard and the top six has been much closer in quality in the past few years. We aren't doing well in Europe at the moment (though we've had an English club in the final of the EL and win the EL in the last two years). Is the standard of the PL clubs getting worse in comparison to the European clubs or are our clubs facing too many games in a season - or are they prioritising the PL because is more competitive than ever?
Again with the viewing figures, is that down to the quality on offer in the PL, or more with the rising cost of Sky/BT Sports subscriptions versus the prevalence and ease of online streaming?
Yipper said:
Dinlowgoon said:
Yipper said:
Think Arsenal fans get carried away and ideas above their station. Wenger has a win ratio of 58% and has won an average of 0.76 trophies per year since he joined Arsenal in 1996. That compares with Arsenal FC's overall record of 0.27 trophies per year between 1893 and 1996. His performance is way above-average for Arsenal.
A perfect example of how stats can be misleading. So you consider losing to Bayern 10-2 over 2 legs and finishing mid table progress over the last year ?One game does not a season make.
Where has that fire and enthusiasm been all season ? - down to the manager to install it and nurture.
Whilst it's true that the top 3 or 4 clubs in Europe are better than the best English clubs at the moment, that doesn't reflect the strength of their respective leagues. Real and Barca are basically state sponsored, have their own TV deals, benefit from tax breaks and even then commit fraud to seek an advantage. Sevilla in 4th aren't even in the top 30 richest clubs in Europe. And the fact that Juve, Bayern, Madrid etc have such lack of competition in their own leagues, can only help their CL campaigns. There is no money and no strength in depth in any of the other countries. This is another example of confusing individual clubs with national leagues.
United have just broke the transfer record - how are they a feeder for anyone? And they've won the EL and are only the 6th best team in England.
Driver101 said:
The issue is the standard of football in England is on the decline. The gap between the the best is increasing and the rest is closing. It now feels like a shock when an English cup manages to beat an elite club.
How long can the tv deal keep going on when there has been such a dramatic decline in people watching? Viewing figures are down 40% now with the average viewing numbers only 1m for a premier game like on Sky.
It's over £11 per viewer per game on average. I noticed that the last games of the season for the London clubs were only managing around 650,000 viewers. That's over £16 per viewer on the current Sky deal. Can it really continue?
You're only including private viewers though. SKY charge huge amounts to businesses - pubs, bars, clubs etc. You need to take into account all they revenue and viewers also. Also, the TV rights are now split between SKY & BT - so the costs are shared but also the deals are driven up by the competition.How long can the tv deal keep going on when there has been such a dramatic decline in people watching? Viewing figures are down 40% now with the average viewing numbers only 1m for a premier game like on Sky.
It's over £11 per viewer per game on average. I noticed that the last games of the season for the London clubs were only managing around 650,000 viewers. That's over £16 per viewer on the current Sky deal. Can it really continue?
TEKNOPUG said:
You're only including private viewers though. SKY charge huge amounts to businesses - pubs, bars, clubs etc. You need to take into account all they revenue and viewers also. Also, the TV rights are now split between SKY & BT - so the costs are shared but also the deals are driven up by the competition.
Sky's profits are falling too. BT are constantly being accused of funding the football deal through other parts of the business.Pubs used to be busy years ago for football. That's not the case anymore for anything other than big games.
aeropilot said:
Yipper said:
Again, slightly overinflated expectations. Arsenal are not even in the top-20 biggest stadiums by capacity in the European Champions League countries. Lots of bigger clubs out there.
Most expensive season tickets in Europe, and 7th richest club, gives the fans a right to have expectations to match that expense and value........jammy-git said:
It's looking increasingly likely that Auba will leave BVB - just the type of player to make you title challengers next season?
Wouldn't he just. Long list of admirers though.....I have a feeling Arsenal will go after the player they think will be the next big star. They were reportedly close to getting Mbappe last year....so bigger balls might have got that done. Kind of depends in whether Sanchez stays...if he stays they might go for the next big star....if not they kind of have to go for someone proven...not just massive potential.
The biggest single criticism of Wenger has to be the inability Arsenal have had to close deals over the years....so near but so far on so many great players.
What they really need to do is cull some dead wood. Last 1st team player "in his prime" that got shown the door was Gervinho I reckon...Poldi left the year after but that was more a "end of career" move
jammy-git said:
I feel like you're mixing causation and correlation.
I'd say the standard within the PL is getting better. The lower and mid-table clubs are all of a decent standard and the top six has been much closer in quality in the past few years. We aren't doing well in Europe at the moment (though we've had an English club in the final of the EL and win the EL in the last two years). Is the standard of the PL clubs getting worse in comparison to the European clubs or are our clubs facing too many games in a season - or are they prioritising the PL because is more competitive than ever?
Again with the viewing figures, is that down to the quality on offer in the PL, or more with the rising cost of Sky/BT Sports subscriptions versus the prevalence and ease of online streaming?
The top 6 are closer as the best teams have declined in quality. The top have come down rather than the rest come up. This also shows through the European average compared to the rest. I'd say the standard within the PL is getting better. The lower and mid-table clubs are all of a decent standard and the top six has been much closer in quality in the past few years. We aren't doing well in Europe at the moment (though we've had an English club in the final of the EL and win the EL in the last two years). Is the standard of the PL clubs getting worse in comparison to the European clubs or are our clubs facing too many games in a season - or are they prioritising the PL because is more competitive than ever?
Again with the viewing figures, is that down to the quality on offer in the PL, or more with the rising cost of Sky/BT Sports subscriptions versus the prevalence and ease of online streaming?
There's only 1 English team ranked in the top UEFA rankings and that's Chelsea in 10th. They weren't in Europe this season and none of the other teams have done enough to see any improvement.
England came extremely close to losing its 4th Champions League place last year.
The streaming is an issue, but people aren't willing to pay for the football is a growing issue. Sky has more TV subscribers than ever, but people watching football is going the other way. The main reason for Sky tv for me is the Sports.
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