The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4

[TEKNOPUG]

aeropilot said:

TEKNOPUG said:

As for Aubameyang, I hardly see Arsenal as much of a step up from Dortmund. I expect there would be a lot of teams interesting in signing him, so you'd again have to wonder why he would choose Arsenal.

From what I've read this morning, Arsenal isn't his first choice, but it seems, no one else is that interested in him, maybe see him as toxic?
His missed this weekends game due to an off-pitch disciplinary issue it seems, so the PL clubs with some sense perhaps don't want to touch him?

If that's true, then I can definitely see him at the Emirates next season......

You mean no one else is that interested in meeting his salary demands?

Edited by TEKNOPUG on Monday 15th January 12:06

[jammy-git]

For Malcom, Arsenal would be a step up.

For Aubameyang, it looks like he's just Sanchez 2.0.

[TEKNOPUG]

jammy-git said:

For Malcom, Arsenal would be a step up.

For Aubameyang, it looks like he's just Sanchez 2.0.

It's a step up from Bordeaux but then so is any club in the EPL. The question is whether it's the right step for his career ambitions and you'd have to say that right now, Arsenal really isn't the place to be if you want to better yourself and progress. So you'd have to think that either he's badly advised or it's all about the money and only about the money.

[jammy-git]

I’d say it’s the right move for Malcom. He’s not going to win any leagues with Arsenal but he could always get a Europa League trophy or FA Cup or something.

It’s definitely a step up from Bordeaux and if he improves then Arsenal work well as a feeder club to the likes of Liverpool and Utd.

[aeropilot]

jammy-git said:

I’d say it’s the right move for Malcom. He’s not going to win any leagues with Arsenal but he could always get a Europa League trophy or FA Cup or something.

It’s definitely a step up from Bordeaux and if he improves then Arsenal work well as a feeder club to the likes of Liverpool and Utd.

This.

Sadly, I think the 2nd point is now the view that players and their agents view Arsenal as a club, and that's not going to change under the ownership of Silent Stan.

[TEKNOPUG]

jammy-git said:

I’d say it’s the right move for Malcom. He’s not going to win any leagues with Arsenal but he could always get a Europa League trophy or FA Cup or something.

It’s definitely a step up from Bordeaux and if he improves then Arsenal work well as a feeder club to the likes of Liverpool and Utd.

Is he going to be surrounded by coaches and a manager that are going to make him a better player? Looking at how Walcott, Ox and Wilshere's careers have stalled, I'd suggest not. Is he going to be playing with model pros that will install a winning mentality, again, the evidence suggests otherwise. Is he going to be regularly playing in the CL?

[jammy-git]

What other options does he have? I’ve not heard many other clubs that are in for him?

[aeropilot]

jammy-git said:

What other options does he have? I’ve not heard many other clubs that are in for him?

Exactly.

With someone that has his goal strike rate, you'd think there would be the big half dozen or so European clubs would be all over him like a rash for the past 18 months or so, yet he re-signed for BD, and yet now all of a sudden he wants out....
I think the bigger clubs view him as bad news, so he (or rather his agent) are trawling him around the 2nd tier as a stop gap to maybe getting the bigger boys interested again in a couple of years time.......???

[aeropilot]

On more amusing news.....

Stoke have appointed Paul Lambert as manager

That should definitely see them as a Championship side next season then


(mind you a lot of people thought Palace were crazy appointing Hodgson, but he seems to have defied the predictions so far!)

[London424]

aeropilot said:

jammy-git said:

I’d say it’s the right move for Malcom. He’s not going to win any leagues with Arsenal but he could always get a Europa League trophy or FA Cup or something.

It’s definitely a step up from Bordeaux and if he improves then Arsenal work well as a feeder club to the likes of Liverpool and Utd.

This.

Sadly, I think the 2nd point is now the view that players and their agents view Arsenal as a club, and that's not going to change under the ownership of Silent Stan.

I'm not sure what people are expecting the owner to do. Arsenal spend fortunes, they just spend it on dross. They also pay loads in wages, again, often on mediocre players. Both of those things combined with abject management of the contract situation of star players means you have a ststorm.

Arsene is in total control at the club, so it all comes back to him.

[TEKNOPUG]

aeropilot said:

jammy-git said:

What other options does he have? I’ve not heard many other clubs that are in for him?

Exactly.

With someone that has his goal strike rate, you'd think there would be the big half dozen or so European clubs would be all over him like a rash for the past 18 months or so, yet he re-signed for BD, and yet now all of a sudden he wants out....
I think the bigger clubs view him as bad news, so he (or rather his agent) are trawling him around the 2nd tier as a stop gap to maybe getting the bigger boys interested again in a couple of years time.......???

He's asking for too much money. It's no different from trying to sell any other product. Simple supply and demand. If he lowered his wages/BD asking price, there would be more interested parties. He could pretty much choose any club in Europe to play for but clearly clubs don't think he's worth as much as he does.

[Byker28i]

jammy-git said:

I’d say it’s the right move for Malcom. He’s not going to win any leagues with Arsenal but he could always get a Europa League trophy or FA Cup or something.

It’s definitely a step up from Bordeaux and if he improves then Arsenal work well as a feeder club to the likes of Liverpool and Utd.

Arsenal as a feeder club...

[jammy-git]

Only a few clubs in the World that aren't a feeder club. What matters is where you are on the pecking order!

[anonymous-user]

London424 said:

I'm not sure what people are expecting the owner to do. Arsenal spend fortunes, they just spend it on dross. They also pay loads in wages

If the manager is spending big money on mediocre players and the team is going backwards surely it's down to the owner to sack him?
It would of only become an issue with the owner when Wenger didn't qualify for the Champions League but as he's down to leave next year I'm guessing he will put up with it short term anyway because any other manager in Wenger's position would have been sacked by now, every time we have an embarassment like sunday I'm expecting Wenger to be sacked but unfortunately it seems he can get away with anything.
Whatever people think of Wenger he must have skin an inch thick, he don't seem to be bothered the club going down the pan along as he gets his huge salary.

[Puggit]

[aeropilot]

Raygun said:

London424 said:

I'm not sure what people are expecting the owner to do. Arsenal spend fortunes, they just spend it on dross. They also pay loads in wages

If the manager is spending big money on mediocre players and the team is going backwards surely it's down to the owner to sack him?

By all accounts it was only the owner that wanted him to stay last year......

But then the owner knows the square root of fk all about football anyway, and doesn't seem the least bit interested on what happens on the pitch, as long as the $$$ keep rolling in.

[Glassman]

From an Arsenal point of view, the Sanchez situation is a shambles, but how shambolic does it threaten to become given that Citeh (his preferred destination) have declared themselves out of meeting Arsenal's valuation of him?

If Citeh have pulled out, there's an offer on the table from United. Now unless one of the other top flight European clubs come in with a train load of cash, this can only be for all but guaranteed CL exposure next season... as well as the colossal salary?

ETA: Chelsea have entered the arena.

Edited by Glassman on Monday 15th January 22:11

[jammy-git]

Tbh, I think this paints Arsenal in a very minor shade of better light regarding Sanchez. If Sanchez is being a tt about moving to City, one can only imagine how difficult he's been with Arsenal!

[aeropilot]

jammy-git said:

Tbh, I think this paints Arsenal in a very minor shade of better light regarding Sanchez. If Sanchez is being a tt about moving to City, one can only imagine how difficult he's been with Arsenal!

Indeed.

One can only assume though that his wage demands haven't gone up since the summer, as then the only reason the deal fell through was we pulled the plug - supposedly?


And yet we might seem to want to go through the same again with Aubameyang.

[Glassman]

aeropilot said:

yet we might seem to want to go through the same again with Aubameyang.

In all fairness, Iwobi does need someone he can out to play with.