The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4

[Byker28i]

Wenger stayed on because he wanted to beat Fergusons record, that was it. He didn't let players go or have new contracts because he had them for this season. He was promising them results in his last season, whilst thinking he could leave the club in shambles so he looked even better when the next manager failed.
It was all about Wengers legacy, not Arsenal this season.

Wiltshire offered less salary for his new contract? If he can keep up current form and not get injured he'll be very attractive on a free in the summer.

[BlackLabel]

Arsenal have a fairly long list of players with expiring contracts next summer too:

Ramsey, Walcott, Giroud, Wellbeck, Monreal, Cech and a few other lesser known names.

Why are Arsenal so st at sorting out their contracts way before they expire like other top clubs do?

[Glassman]

Might just be me, but Lacazette is looking more and more full of regret signing for Arsenal. He just doesn't look happy at all.

[Cupramax]

BlackLabel said:

Arsenal have a fairly long list of players with expiring contracts next summer too:

Ramsey, Walcott, Giroud, Wellbeck, Monreal, Cech and a few other lesser known names.

Why are Arsenal so st at sorting out their contracts way before they expire like other top clubs do?

Walcott confirmed gone to Everton so that's one less problem...

Glassman said:

Might just be me, but Lacazette is looking more and more full of regret signing for Arsenal. He just doesn't look happy at all.

Cant say I blame him, walking into an almighty ststorm.

[Byker28i]

Cooking pot (le creuset) looked a great buy at the start of the season. I thought his off the ball running was brilliant.
Looks like the dressing room has got to him?

[jammy-git]

Cupramax said:

Glassman said:

Might just be me, but Lacazette is looking more and more full of regret signing for Arsenal. He just doesn't look happy at all.

Cant say I blame him, walking into an almighty ststorm.

Quite. Imagine joining a team only to see anyone with a semblance of talent walking out the door in the opposite direction!

[theplayingmantis]

Ascayman said:

Obviously not.

Clubs dont put out full teams in the early rounds but thats different to saying that nobody cares about the FA Cup, thats just nonsense, ask Managers like Mourinho, or players like Rooney, John Terry and Frank Lampard, or the Liverpool, city and wigan fans etc etc

ok the big clubs still dearly value the cup and dont field weakened teams. The PL isn't all that matters to these clubs now and those aspiring to get into it.

said players are really likely to talk down the FA's premier competition...managers too...

Lets ask fans of small clubs who historically have 0 success whether the FA cup means a lot to them.

Go and ask Mick McCarthy. Hes very forthright and will give you straight answer.

Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 17th January 18:11

[theplayingmantis]

Byker28i said:

Cooking pot (le creuset) looked a great buy at the start of the season. I thought his off the ball running was brilliant.
Looks like the dressing room has got to him?

no, wenger. and the unsuitable style of play

[theplayingmantis]

Byker28i said:

Wenger stayed on because he wanted to beat Fergusons record, that was it. He didn't let players go or have new contracts because he had them for this season. He was promising them results in his last season, whilst thinking he could leave the club in shambles so he looked even better when the next manager failed.
It was all about Wengers legacy, not Arsenal this season.

Wiltshire offered less salary for his new contract? If he can keep up current form and not get injured he'll be very attractive on a free in the summer.

wenger is too blind to realise hes tarnishing his legacy every game that goes by. He is leaving he club in a worse position than he found it (which contrary to revisionists, was in a pretty good place). Hes ego has led him to stay for at the very least 5 years too many.

[theplayingmantis]

BlackLabel said:

Arsenal have a fairly long list of players with expiring contracts next summer too:

Ramsey, Walcott, Giroud, Wellbeck, Monreal, Cech and a few other lesser known names.

Why are Arsenal so st at sorting out their contracts way before they expire like other top clubs do?

Because we are ineptly managed by a person who has had sole control over every aspect of the club for decades. Only now is that being challenged in the background by some good non Wenger approved appointments.

Of those who does any arsenal fan actually want to keep?

Monreal has been ok pigeonholed into the wrong position, but no more than ok, and is no great left back. Giroud as backup but not on improved wages. the rest most would gladly let go today.

Ramsey, promising before injury, since then has had a 3rd of season where he looked very good, the rest very poor.
Walcott, cant believe Everton have been daft enough to sign him.
Giroud, ok backup
Wellbeck, united reject, trys,just hasnt the talent
Monreal, Average
Cech, theres a reason he was allowed to leave Chelsea for us...

[Ascayman]

theplayingmantis said:

Ascayman said:

Obviously not.

Clubs dont put out full teams in the early rounds but thats different to saying that nobody cares about the FA Cup, thats just nonsense, ask Managers like Mourinho, or players like Rooney, John Terry and Frank Lampard, or the Liverpool, city and wigan fans etc etc

ok the big clubs still dearly value the cup and dont field weakened teams. The PL isn't all that matters to these clubs now and those aspiring to get into it.

said players are really likely to talk down the FA's premier competition...managers too...

Lets ask fans of small clubs who historically have 0 success whether the FA cup means a lot to them.

Go and ask Mick McCarthy. Hes very forthright and will give you straight answer.

Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 17th January 18:11

What are you blabbering on about? you said the fa cup was meaningless since utd devalued it, now you seem to be saying it means something to the big clubs only? Make your mind up. .

Ok I'll go speak to Mick McCarthy ill look his number up in the book. In the meantime you go speak to some Wigan and pompy fans...

[Glassman]

theplayingmantis said:

Because we are ineptly managed by a person who has had sole control over every aspect of the club for decades. Only now is that being challenged in the background by some good non Wenger approved appointments.

Of those who does any arsenal fan actually want to keep?

Monreal has been ok pigeonholed into the wrong position, but no more than ok, and is no great left back. Giroud as backup but not on improved wages. the rest most would gladly let go today.

Ramsey, promising before injury, since then has had a 3rd of season where he looked very good, the rest very poor.
Walcott, cant believe Everton have been daft enough to sign him.
Giroud, ok backup
Wellbeck, united reject, trys,just hasnt the talent
Monreal, Average
Cech, theres a reason he was allowed to leave Chelsea for us...

We had Joel Campbell on fire. he wasn't banging in goals but for every minute he was on the pitch he would give his all. What did Wenger do? Loan him out and kept Walcott... who other than the odd goal here and there did what he's always done: disappoint.

[Glassman]

Walnut is a toffee.

[theplayingmantis]

Ascayman said:

theplayingmantis said:

Ascayman said:

Obviously not.

Clubs dont put out full teams in the early rounds but thats different to saying that nobody cares about the FA Cup, thats just nonsense, ask Managers like Mourinho, or players like Rooney, John Terry and Frank Lampard, or the Liverpool, city and wigan fans etc etc

ok the big clubs still dearly value the cup and dont field weakened teams. The PL isn't all that matters to these clubs now and those aspiring to get into it.

said players are really likely to talk down the FA's premier competition...managers too...

Lets ask fans of small clubs who historically have 0 success whether the FA cup means a lot to them.

Go and ask Mick McCarthy. Hes very forthright and will give you straight answer.

Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 17th January 18:11

What are you blabbering on about? you said the fa cup was meaningless since utd devalued it, now you seem to be saying it means something to the big clubs only? Make your mind up. .

Ok I'll go speak to Mick McCarthy ill look his number up in the book. In the meantime you go speak to some Wigan and pompy fans...

i was being sarcastic, but that was seemingly lost on you.

both clubs you mentioned would swap that for being in the PL in a heartbeat, theirs been recentish articles on both in the game supplement in the times. The fans of the big 4 plus city, rightly or wrongly don't care much about the fa cup. even spurs fans who haven't won it it decades would rather be in their utopian top 4 that they've finally sneaked into over the last couple of seasons than a cup win.

Maybe some fans of small clubs are bothered about it but when it comes to the elite its the league and CL that success is measured by.

if you wanna have a word with mick he can often be found in a couple pubs near ramsholt.

[theplayingmantis]

Glassman said:

theplayingmantis said:

Because we are ineptly managed by a person who has had sole control over every aspect of the club for decades. Only now is that being challenged in the background by some good non Wenger approved appointments.

Of those who does any arsenal fan actually want to keep?

Monreal has been ok pigeonholed into the wrong position, but no more than ok, and is no great left back. Giroud as backup but not on improved wages. the rest most would gladly let go today.

Ramsey, promising before injury, since then has had a 3rd of season where he looked very good, the rest very poor.
Walcott, cant believe Everton have been daft enough to sign him.
Giroud, ok backup
Wellbeck, united reject, trys,just hasnt the talent
Monreal, Average
Cech, theres a reason he was allowed to leave Chelsea for us...

We had Joel Campbell on fire. he wasn't banging in goals but for every minute he was on the pitch he would give his all. What did Wenger do? Loan him out and kept Walcott... who other than the odd goal here and there did what he's always done: disappoint.

agree, joel wasn't the most polished but he put a shift in and was very effective more often than not but didn't get a chance. Same with Serge Gnabry who will be worldy player and was doing very well at Bayern now. sent to stoke as he questioned Wenger where AW knew Pulis wouldn't play him and then sold on the cheap without getting annother chance. He was frightening when he first burst into the side taking on players with the ball. Instead wengers love child iwobi (who he wont even drop after a blatnat breach of club rules) was preferred regardless of on pitch performance.

the club is rotten, but the manger is the biggest issue closely followed by the facilitating owner. Its sad what AW has become.

[Cupramax]

theplayingmantis said:

Because we are ineptly managed by a person who has had sole control over every aspect of the club for decades. Only now is that being challenged in the background by some good non Wenger approved appointments.

Of those who does any arsenal fan actually want to keep?

Monreal has been ok pigeonholed into the wrong position, but no more than ok, and is no great left back. Giroud as backup but not on improved wages. the rest most would gladly let go today.

Ramsey, promising before injury, since then has had a 3rd of season where he looked very good, the rest very poor.
Walcott, cant believe Everton have been daft enough to sign him.
Giroud, ok backup
Wellbeck, united reject, trys,just hasnt the talent
Monreal, Average
Cech, theres a reason he was allowed to leave Chelsea for us...

Ramsey, for all his faults always gives 100% he's a keep for me...

Monreal was a leftback before he came to us... or are you talking about playing him as temp centreback? Average? I'd say he's been one of the better performers over the past few seasons barring a few bad games one season, cant remember if it was his first or second.

Walcott, good luck, wonder if Everton are paying him £110k pw, i doubt it.

Welbeck, the only issue seems to be he doesnt fit our style of play, he always works hard which is more than some, even if theres been little end product. Seems to stick the ball in the net whenever he's had an England shirt on.

Cech, A goalie that cant save pens? the less said the better.

[stevep944]

Cech: i know he got badly injured, but IMO any goalie that needs to wear a crash hat on the pitch shouldn't be playing. It just tells the opposition he is scared, can't get stuck in, and cannot command his area. We should never have bought him.

[jammy-git]

theplayingmantis said:

wenger is too blind to realise hes tarnishing his legacy every game that goes by. He is leaving he club in a worse position than he found it (which contrary to revisionists, was in a pretty good place). Hes ego has led him to stay for at the very least 5 years too many.

The last four league finishes before Wenger turned up were 4th, 10th, 4th and 12th.

[Glassman]

theplayingmantis said:

Wenger is too blind to realise he's tarnishing his legacy every game that goes by.

He's well beyond that; tarnishing? Corroded to excess as the MOT fail sheet used to say.

[aeropilot]

theplayingmantis said:

Ascayman said:

theplayingmantis said:

Ascayman said:

theplayingmantis said:

Ascayman said:

Arsenal finished 2nd season before last and have won 3 FA Cups in 4 years.

Tainted legacy or ungrateful fans...

fa cup that no one cares about since united devalued it and 2nd in a 1 horse race...yeah we are so ungrateful...

WALOB.

how so?

The FA cup, its ridiculous to suggest that no one has cared about it for the last 17 years, completely ridiculous. No proper football fan would say that.

im not a proper fan then...

the big clubs have been fielding weakened team in it ever since. its willful blindness to claim they haven't. even those who haven't won a pot in years like totnum don't go all out for it.

The traditionalists and BBC maintain the magic of the FA cup but since the premier league ate itself and money became the be all and end all the cup has been dying ever since.

Even the BBC and the FA themselves aren't blameless.

Being an old git, I can remember the old days of the FA Cup being on a Saturday, covered by both BBC Grandstand and ITV World of Sport at the same time on TV, all the build up with cameras etc on the team coaches on the way to Wembley, all sorts of pre-match stuff, leading up to the 3pm kick-off.
The climax of each season.

The PL and CL have killed the FA Cup, and so have the FA by changing its own traditions, so its no wonder its not perceived to be the competition it was decades ago, well not for the bigger PL teams its not. Yes, if they win, like we have in recent years, but its clearly 3rd best trophy now, or maybe even 4th in rank, not effectively equal 1st as was in days of old.