The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
JNW1 said:
leglessAlex said:
The Wenger of the past few years has looked out of touch and the commentary has reflected that. But overall? He made a pretty big impact in English football, 3 League titles and 7 FA Cups isn't awful either. Better than Liverpool and Spurs, and the same amount of League titles as City in that time.
I agree! Ok, he's looked a bit past his sell-by date for a little while but overall his contribution has been massive and some of the disrespectful comments thrown his direction have been undeserved IMO. I genuinely hope he can go out on a high by winning the Euorpa League and enjoys whatever he chooses to do when he leaves Arsenal.Cheib said:
JNW1 said:
leglessAlex said:
The Wenger of the past few years has looked out of touch and the commentary has reflected that. But overall? He made a pretty big impact in English football, 3 League titles and 7 FA Cups isn't awful either. Better than Liverpool and Spurs, and the same amount of League titles as City in that time.
I agree! Ok, he's looked a bit past his sell-by date for a little while but overall his contribution has been massive and some of the disrespectful comments thrown his direction have been undeserved IMO. I genuinely hope he can go out on a high by winning the Euorpa League and enjoys whatever he chooses to do when he leaves Arsenal.For the past few seasons you can see how poor they have become and with no longer guaranteeing champions league football eventually money talks. Its a shame as once a fantastic manager, but these last few years have really tarnished his once great legacy.
Sparkyhd said:
It's fantastic how the press can switch immediately from slagging off mode to eulogy mode.
I don't think that's all that strange or even all that hypocritical as some people have been saying/implying that it is (not aimed at you in particular, just in general).Last game, we'd just lost to Newcastle after being 1-0 up, we'd still managed to be pointless away in 2018, and it at least looked like Wenger was doing what he seemed to always do. He didn't blame the players, but he also didn't seem to see the faults and issues in the team. After many years of this, what are the pundits and press supposed to do? Sure, some people went too far, but generally the criticism has been consistent and valid.
Now it's different. He's seemed to admit that he can't get Arsenal to the top anymore (whether this was his decision or not remains to be seen) and so it's time to say goodbye and look at his career as a whole. If you talk about this season, criticism is completely valid. If you look at his career as a whole, he's done some great things. I don't see anything wrong with the press now choosing to focus on that instead rather than the recent poor results.
Anyway, I think the club, the fans and the pundits stayed supporting Wenger through many many years of 'poor' results. Yes, the last few years have been different, but that's because they have seen real, proper decline in league performances and without the excuse of not having the money for top players.
I think it's nice that now he's going, a lot of fans and pundits are saying "Right, lets let the bad form be put aside, lets get one last trophy and lets wish Arsene all the best". Hopefully in a few years a major trophy will have been won and the club will be on the up again.
As a gooner in the 'Wenger out' camp for a while now, its good news but also sad.
Can look back on some great memories, the Invincibles seaon may never be done again, some of the finest players ever to grace the EPL like Henry, Bergkamp, and Pires. And of course Tony Adams thumping in that 4th goal against Everton in 98 to win the league. Magic stuff!
Can look back on some great memories, the Invincibles seaon may never be done again, some of the finest players ever to grace the EPL like Henry, Bergkamp, and Pires. And of course Tony Adams thumping in that 4th goal against Everton in 98 to win the league. Magic stuff!
Edited by stevep944 on Friday 20th April 17:19
MOBB said:
I'm happy he's going, but also sad at the same time
Agreed! Can't believe it has finally happened! I don't want Vieira, I think any improvement would soon wear off and I'm not a fan of Bodge, I think Suarez carried him to his near league title.
Edited by Allyc85 on Friday 20th April 19:09
anniesdad said:
Well I for one will miss Arsene and his zip. 
My team have had some massive ding dongs with his over the years and as a result I've got some great memories from those games. I hope that you gooners do give him the respect that he deserves. He's never waivered from his beliefs. Beliefs that got him and you fans some fantastic title wins and that should never be forgotten as you might never see one again.
If you are a PHer, congratulations Arsene on a fantastic career. Enjoy your retirement.
He's not been doing the job for free you know.My team have had some massive ding dongs with his over the years and as a result I've got some great memories from those games. I hope that you gooners do give him the respect that he deserves. He's never waivered from his beliefs. Beliefs that got him and you fans some fantastic title wins and that should never be forgotten as you might never see one again.
If you are a PHer, congratulations Arsene on a fantastic career. Enjoy your retirement.
Sparkyhd said:
It's fantastic how the press can switch immediately from slagging off mode to eulogy mode.
Absolutely, f
king hypocrites, especially Mourinho. I've waited years for this dictator to be removed or stand down. This is one of the greatest days ever for me, I despise and loathe Wenger and I'm not going to change my stance just because he's finally going.
Arsenal Football Club is a far worse state on the pitch than when he arrived at the club.
Good Riddance.
jammy-git said:
I foresee Arsenal going through the same sort of period as when Fergy retired at Utd. The only difference is Fergy retired with Utd as champions (though the team was old/st). Wenger is retiring with Arsenal in mid-table.
And whoever inherited Utd has poisoned chalice of high expectation and aging squad, at least expectations should be lower at arsenal after a few years of under performancet). Wenger is retiring with Arsenal in mid-table.Sorry, spurs fan here.
I thought Wenger was the bks.
Like Levy, he was a bussiness man, keeping your owners interested in their investment.
He could've bought Pogba and we all know what happened there.
He did spend big on some ste, under pressure from you lot.
He earned Arse a lot of money even they were doing bad.
He earned himself a lot of money doing it.
He is one of the best (top flight managers) we've ever seen.
He probably had more money to spend, bit like
Poch, but thought No!
Your next manager needs to be like Poch and buy £5 mill players and turn them into the Deli's, you know the score with spurs cheap buys.
He did buy some proppa ste recently, ok they score goals, but pound for pound you'd have been better off spending peanuts on Alli, son. Bet ya wished ya kept Kane.
GIVE THAT MAN A GOOD SEND OFF, if you win the euro or not.
I thought Wenger was the b
ks. Like Levy, he was a bussiness man, keeping your owners interested in their investment.
He could've bought Pogba and we all know what happened there.
He did spend big on some s
te, under pressure from you lot.He earned Arse a lot of money even they were doing bad.
He earned himself a lot of money doing it.
He is one of the best (top flight managers) we've ever seen.
He probably had more money to spend, bit like
Poch, but thought No!
Your next manager needs to be like Poch and buy £5 mill players and turn them into the Deli's, you know the score with spurs cheap buys.
He did buy some proppa s
te recently, ok they score goals, but pound for pound you'd have been better off spending peanuts on Alli, son. Bet ya wished ya kept Kane.GIVE THAT MAN A GOOD SEND OFF, if you win the euro or not.
Alfahorn said:
Arsenal Football Club is a far worse state on the pitch than when he arrived at the club.
Not really, about level. Rioch finished 5th, this season you'll finish 6th. Rioch went out of the cup in R3, same as Wenger. Rioch lost in the league cup semi, Wenger lost in the final.Of course of the pitch you're in a much better state, new ground built and paid for, squillions in the bank.
It is interesting looking at some of the vitriol aimed at Wenger recently before the announcement, which all comes from a position of expectation - in factual terms if he wins the Europa cup then that will be 4 trophies in the last 5 years.
That is the same 5 years that Poch has been in charge and won nothing. And 3 years of Klopp winning nothing (though maybe this year).
Good luck to Wenger, he made a huge difference to arsenal!
That is the same 5 years that Poch has been in charge and won nothing. And 3 years of Klopp winning nothing (though maybe this year).
Good luck to Wenger, he made a huge difference to arsenal!
RacingPete said:
It is interesting looking at some of the vitriol aimed at Wenger recently before the announcement, which all comes from a position of expectation - in factual terms if he wins the Europa cup then that will be 4 trophies in the last 5 years.
That is the same 5 years that Poch has been in charge and won nothing. And 3 years of Klopp winning nothing (though maybe this year).
Good luck to Wenger, he made a huge difference to arsenal!
He did indeed, three league titles and seven FA Cups and he came oh so close to winning a Champions League in 2006, it would be a fitting send off if he was to win the Europa League in what would be his last game in charge of the Gunners.That is the same 5 years that Poch has been in charge and won nothing. And 3 years of Klopp winning nothing (though maybe this year).
Good luck to Wenger, he made a huge difference to arsenal!
I find it sad, yet predictable that the vitriol is coming from so called fans of Arsenal and in particular the gobs
tes on Arsenal TV. Thankfully fans of other clubs are showing the man the respect that he deserves. Maybe those who have been calling for him to go will in the fullness of time truly appreciate what they have just lost.The next manager is a big step in the future of Arsenal, ask Liverpool or Man Utd or anyone else who has been in a similar position. Getting it right is difficult, get it wrong and you could be waiting 30 years or more.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Alfahorn said:
Arsenal Football Club is a far worse state on the pitch than when he arrived at the club.
Not really, about level. Rioch finished 5th, this season you'll finish 6th. Rioch went out of the cup in R3, same as Wenger. Rioch lost in the league cup semi, Wenger lost in the final.Of course of the pitch you're in a much better state, new ground built and paid for, squillions in the bank.
I'm not naive. I don't believe things are going to improve instantly and it may take a 2-3 years to improve the squad and make them competitive again.
Arsene Wenger has unraveled all the good work he did. It's a massive job to repair the damage he has done.
In the last ten years any big team that turns up to play Arsenal normally wins, never get any further than the second round of the Champions League(when we were qualifying last) and then play a decent side and lose heavily. It's been so predictable. Wenger has been earning a fortune. If he would've owned up to the problems it would of been a start.
Good riddance Wenger and fans of other teams spare us the patronising 'how we'll rue the day he leaves'
Good riddance Wenger and fans of other teams spare us the patronising 'how we'll rue the day he leaves'
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