The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
cbmotorsport said:
Cupramax said:
I agree on most of that, but Song was decent as a defensive mid and Diabys problem wasn’t talent, he was a worldy on his day but had that Sunderland clogger Dan Smith not ruined his ankle things would have been somewhat different I have no doubt.
The fact that he was given contract after contract in much the same, but equally sad, as also Cazorla is mis management on Wengers side.
It's all tied into the nicey nicey Arsenal way, big contrats, repeat contracts, unfathomable faith in average players. One big happy (mediocre) family. We need someone with a bit of steel in there. We seem to want to be a business, charge top dollar, create a worldwide brand etc but you can't have it both ways. The fact that he was given contract after contract in much the same, but equally sad, as also Cazorla is mis management on Wengers side.
theplayingmantis said:
Ructions said:
RacingPete said:
It is interesting looking at some of the vitriol aimed at Wenger recently before the announcement, which all comes from a position of expectation - in factual terms if he wins the Europa cup then that will be 4 trophies in the last 5 years.
That is the same 5 years that Poch has been in charge and won nothing. And 3 years of Klopp winning nothing (though maybe this year).
Good luck to Wenger, he made a huge difference to arsenal!
He did indeed, three league titles and seven FA Cups and he came oh so close to winning a Champions League in 2006, it would be a fitting send off if he was to win the Europa League in what would be his last game in charge of the Gunners.That is the same 5 years that Poch has been in charge and won nothing. And 3 years of Klopp winning nothing (though maybe this year).
Good luck to Wenger, he made a huge difference to arsenal!
I find it sad, yet predictable that the vitriol is coming from so called fans of Arsenal and in particular the gobs
tes on Arsenal TV. Thankfully fans of other clubs are showing the man the respect that he deserves. Maybe those who have been calling for him to go will in the fullness of time truly appreciate what they have just lost.The next manager is a big step in the future of Arsenal, ask Liverpool or Man Utd or anyone else who has been in a similar position. Getting it right is difficult, get it wrong and you could be waiting 30 years or more.
some seriously stupid no nothing 'football' fans here.
theplayingmantis said:
JNW1 said:
leglessAlex said:
The Wenger of the past few years has looked out of touch and the commentary has reflected that. But overall? He made a pretty big impact in English football, 3 League titles and 7 FA Cups isn't awful either. Better than Liverpool and Spurs, and the same amount of League titles as City in that time.
I agree! Ok, he's looked a bit past his sell-by date for a little while but overall his contribution has been massive and some of the disrespectful comments thrown his direction have been undeserved IMO. I genuinely hope he can go out on a high by winning the Euorpa League and enjoys whatever he chooses to do when he leaves Arsenal.To all those Gooners who've been moaning constantly about Wenger for what seems like an eternity, all I can say is us Leeds fans would have been more than happy to have swapped places - and underachieved to the same degree - over the last 14 years; being in the Premier League isn't a right never mind being at the very top of it (or "only" in the top 4!).
And I ask again, who over the last decade - apart from the two Manchester clubs and Chelsea - have a better record of winning trophies and qualifying for the Champions League than Arsenal? Yes I'm sure you'd have liked to have won more but that applies to probably every other club as well and most would have been delighted to have such an awful manager and endure the "failure" Arsenal have experienced. Contrary to what you believe, the Arsenal glass is still more half full than half empty!
I think there's a general acceptance the time had come for Wenger to go and personally I think it's a shame he didn't after winning the FA Cup last year. However, in his time with Arsenal I think he did a lot for the club and also brought much to the Premier League; IMO it's actually quite sad so many Gooners seem unwilling to acknowledge that and instead want to dance on his grave....
theplayingmantis said:
WonkeyDonkey said:
Always enjoyed watching Arsenal play under Wenger.
End of an era for me, growing up it was always about Wenger and Ferguson's teams. Now every team just has their merry go round of managers and players.
I'm pretty sure no player has become a better player since leaving Wengers arsenal team though.
End of an era for me, growing up it was always about Wenger and Ferguson's teams. Now every team just has their merry go round of managers and players.
I'm pretty sure no player has become a better player since leaving Wengers arsenal team though.
RacingPete said:
theplayingmantis said:
Ructions said:
RacingPete said:
It is interesting looking at some of the vitriol aimed at Wenger recently before the announcement, which all comes from a position of expectation - in factual terms if he wins the Europa cup then that will be 4 trophies in the last 5 years.
That is the same 5 years that Poch has been in charge and won nothing. And 3 years of Klopp winning nothing (though maybe this year).
Good luck to Wenger, he made a huge difference to arsenal!
He did indeed, three league titles and seven FA Cups and he came oh so close to winning a Champions League in 2006, it would be a fitting send off if he was to win the Europa League in what would be his last game in charge of the Gunners.That is the same 5 years that Poch has been in charge and won nothing. And 3 years of Klopp winning nothing (though maybe this year).
Good luck to Wenger, he made a huge difference to arsenal!
I find it sad, yet predictable that the vitriol is coming from so called fans of Arsenal and in particular the gobs
tes on Arsenal TV. Thankfully fans of other clubs are showing the man the respect that he deserves. Maybe those who have been calling for him to go will in the fullness of time truly appreciate what they have just lost.The next manager is a big step in the future of Arsenal, ask Liverpool or Man Utd or anyone else who has been in a similar position. Getting it right is difficult, get it wrong and you could be waiting 30 years or more.
some seriously stupid no nothing 'football' fans here.
We've not seen most of these things for years at Arsenal, and I think they form the very core of good management.. and not just within football.
RacingPete said:
I shall repeat my question as a stupid no nothing 'football' fan - what do you class as good for a manager (purely to educate us no nothing 'football' fans)?
its been said countless times on here before, but for the willfully ignorant:someone who does tactics,
someone who takes into account he oppo
someone who spends the funds available to them
someone who doesn't keep playing crap players who everyone says are not good enough
someone who doesn't keep and overly reward said players
someone who addresses the glaring deficiencies in the team that have existed for years
someone who ego/vanity project doesn't get in the way of trying to compete
JNW1 said:
theplayingmantis said:
JNW1 said:
leglessAlex said:
The Wenger of the past few years has looked out of touch and the commentary has reflected that. But overall? He made a pretty big impact in English football, 3 League titles and 7 FA Cups isn't awful either. Better than Liverpool and Spurs, and the same amount of League titles as City in that time.
I agree! Ok, he's looked a bit past his sell-by date for a little while but overall his contribution has been massive and some of the disrespectful comments thrown his direction have been undeserved IMO. I genuinely hope he can go out on a high by winning the Euorpa League and enjoys whatever he chooses to do when he leaves Arsenal.To all those Gooners who've been moaning constantly about Wenger for what seems like an eternity, all I can say is us Leeds fans would have been more than happy to have swapped places - and underachieved to the same degree - over the last 14 years; being in the Premier League isn't a right never mind being at the very top of it (or "only" in the top 4!).
And I ask again, who over the last decade - apart from the two Manchester clubs and Chelsea - have a better record of winning trophies and qualifying for the Champions League than Arsenal? Yes I'm sure you'd have liked to have won more but that applies to probably every other club as well and most would have been delighted to have such an awful manager and endure the "failure" Arsenal have experienced. Contrary to what you believe, the Arsenal glass is still more half full than half empty!
I think there's a general acceptance the time had come for Wenger to go and personally I think it's a shame he didn't after winning the FA Cup last year. However, in his time with Arsenal I think he did a lot for the club and also brought much to the Premier League; IMO it's actually quite sad so many Gooners seem unwilling to acknowledge that and instead want to dance on his grave....
we have had a wage spend varying between 2nd to 4th in this period however we have not competed. scraping the top 4 when we have twice the budget of spurs or a Leicester etc is not progress. the team is getting worse, resources are wasted, tactics are not done etc etc given the resources we have we should be making a decent fist of the league and even more so the CL.
cbmotorsport said:
It's all tied into the nicey nicey Arsenal way, big contrats, repeat contracts, unfathomable faith in average players. One big happy (mediocre) family. We need someone with a bit of steel in there. We seem to want to be a business, charge top dollar, create a worldwide brand etc but you can't have it both ways.
^ That is exactly it, we need a bit steel, it's been weak and predictable for a long time. https://news.sky.com/story/ian-wrights-memorabilia...
If the purchasing dealer is digging his heels in, surely bid for the items from behind a mate's persona?
If the purchasing dealer is digging his heels in, surely bid for the items from behind a mate's persona?
aeropilot said:
mylesmcd said:
Sky reporting that Gazidis wants Arteta.
Waow...
Hopefully Pep will tell him he's not ready, and he'll listen.Waow...
It’d be staggering if the club went for such an ingenue. Or Henry for that matter.
My personal opinion is that the club would do well by just securing a big name who’ll do a 2yr stint to stabilise the club whilst the long term option is identified.
The foundations that have been laid over last 18 months with a DoF, and the other positions to help with a post-Wenger transition aren’t deep enough yet to carry a novice who hasn’t even managed a club before.
By the same token, launching straight into another long term manager, and hoping to get it right immediately - too much luck involved.
The whole thing smacks of Tom Landry and the Dallas Cowboys c.late 80s. Expect fallow years before the next dynasty starts to flourish.
My point of the question of what do you rate as good for a manager or club is to try to see if winning trophies is key to being happy and content with the manager...
You can have all the improvements and filling the gaps etc, but the way to measure that is with trophies, look at Poch (yeah, whatever, I go on about it but it is a good case study of a manager who has done all the things you think are good), and now 5 years in there are questions about him/team bottling it, and never winning any trophies.
So I take it most would prefer to have a team that challenges for the title and goes far in the champions league without winning them... But at least has hope! Over winning 3 FA Cups in 5 years.
You can have all the improvements and filling the gaps etc, but the way to measure that is with trophies, look at Poch (yeah, whatever, I go on about it but it is a good case study of a manager who has done all the things you think are good), and now 5 years in there are questions about him/team bottling it, and never winning any trophies.
So I take it most would prefer to have a team that challenges for the title and goes far in the champions league without winning them... But at least has hope! Over winning 3 FA Cups in 5 years.
gooner1 said:
Dinlowgoon said:
Aspergers or articulate c*nt bubble who loves himself. I'll have No 1 please.
Same as. fking Sunday Times supporter.Probably only watched a game from a hospitality box, if at all.
my lack of social awareness aside it seems your agreeing with my point that has now disappeared (probably for the best). about AW i mean.
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