The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4

[mylesmcd]

anyone care to guess who the new manager is going to be?

[so called]

mickk said:

Black can man said:

Fellaini eh ! He had no idea where that header was heading .

It vanished inside his hair.

Looking at the replays, I'm pretty sure it was a different ball that came out.

[Adam B]

theplayingmantis said:

souness is bitter about 89 (even though he wasnt there anymore), and your archtypal moaning miserable scot. that said imo one of the best pundits there are, tells it like it is unlike the other milksops on sky (redknapp especially, henry too, even neville - who slates us as crap allt he time, then says the fans have no right to want the manager to go and never says its the manager who is ultimately at fault), and has been calling wenger out for 10 years.

respect to souness. getting him into the club for 3 months would be an eye opener and a rocket to many.

+1 a pundit not afraid to say it as he sees it and not sit on the fence, though I like Neville and Henry to an extent. Redknapp and Wright are godawful and can't speak proper innit

[theplayingmantis]

mylesmcd said:

anyone care to guess who the new manager is going to be?

someone cheap and malleable. arteta, viera, martinez, rodgers.

[aeropilot]

mylesmcd said:

anyone care to guess who the new manager is going to be?

I still wouldn't bet against it being Luis Enrique despite the current rumours that the club has cooled its pursuit of him, supposedly due to his demands of a £200m transfer budget to overhaul the squad.

If true though, then Allegri could still be in the frame, although if its true the job come with a minimal warchest then Ancellotti could still be a contender, as I think they will need to be sensible and appoint someone with a decent PL track record, not a coach with no PL experience if they are going to have to work with what they've got.

I'm also worried about the cluelessness of the club in this position, and we'll all be in WTF mode on the announcement.....

[StonedRollin]

aeropilot said:

.....................and we'll all be in WTF mode on the announcement.....

Just like we were with AW!

[leglessAlex]

theplayingmantis said:

leglessAlex said:

I thought Mavropanos and Chambers looked more solid than Mustafi and Koscielny have recently. Maitland-Niles did well too, but I think he needs to track back more if he is going to play deep like that.

But it doesn't really matter does it? At least, not for this season. Wenger has shown repeatedly that he won't drop players if they play badly. Graeme Souness is an unbearable tit, but he was entirely correct when he was ranting about Xhaka at half time. Lots of players in the team seem to make the same mistakes again and again, yet they still start the next match. Too comfortable. Everyone in the team is too comfortable.

souness is bitter about 89 (even though he wasnt there anymore), and your archtypal moaning miserable scot. that said imo one of the best pundits there are, tells it like it is unlike the other milksops on sky (redknapp especially, henry too, even neville - who slates us as crap allt he time, then says the fans have no right to want the manager to go and never says its the manager who is ultimately at fault), and has been calling wenger out for 10 years.

respect to souness. getting him into the club for 3 months would be an eye opener and a rocket to many.

Yeah, you're right, it's unfair of me to call him a tit as he really knows his stuff and doesn't shy away from strong and valid criticism.

God I'd love to get someone like him into the club that would enforce the very simple but very fair policy that mistakes will be punished and if you're not good enough, you don't play.

I'm a very new fan and so I don't have the investment in the club that some of you guys have, but that really is the one thing above all else that has mystified me about Wenger, his refusal to drop under-performing players.

Still! All that is behind us now, and I can have the hope that whoever comes in, even if it's Rodgers or Arteta, won't do that.

[cbmotorsport]

It's a dangerous game for the club. Go for someone inexperienced or unheard of, and if they don't work out, and prove to be worse than Wenger, the backlash will be extreme.

I think it has to be a big name, and I think we can attract the right person, we're a fantastic project for the right person. The club will need to back them though, continuing on and trying to pick up Wengers legacy and get a tune out of it will not work.

[TEKNOPUG]

cbmotorsport said:

It's a dangerous game for the club. Go for someone inexperienced or unheard of, and if they don't work out, and prove to be worse than Wenger, the backlash will be extreme.

I think it has to be a big name, and I think we can attract the right person, we're a fantastic project for the right person.

Is it though? Unless the club are prepared to back the manager with big transfer funds, then it becomes a poison chalice. Arsenal can be forgiven for not winning the league but for the club with the 6th biggest revenue in the world, your CL performances for example, are appalling. All the other clubs in the top 10 are regular semi/finalists. Is it just down to Wenger or the clubs lack of ambition (financially)?

We all know that Stan isn't interesting in "winning", he just wants to spend the least amount of money that ensures his profits continue. If that remains the case, then no "big name" manager is going to be able to compete in the short term. So it looks less of an attractive prospect (save for the wages). Also, there will continue to be a big disconnect between the owner's aspirations and the fans. In that scenario, you'd be better off employing Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche and giving them a few years to build a squad on a tighter budget.

If I was Gazidis, I'd be on the phone to Benitez - not sure if he constitutes a "big name" but he ticks all the boxes; Domestic & European success, attractive football, proven he can work on a lesser budget than the top clubs (Newcastle, Liverpool, Valencia) etc.

Edited by TEKNOPUG on Monday 30th April 14:28

[theplayingmantis]

TEKNOPUG said:

cbmotorsport said:

It's a dangerous game for the club. Go for someone inexperienced or unheard of, and if they don't work out, and prove to be worse than Wenger, the backlash will be extreme.

I think it has to be a big name, and I think we can attract the right person, we're a fantastic project for the right person.

Is it though? Unless the club are prepared to back the manager with bug transfer funds, then it becomes a poison chalice. Arsenal can be forgiven for not winning the league but for the club with the 6th biggest revenue in the world, your CL performances for example, are appalling. All the other clubs in the top 10 are regular semi/finalists. Is it just down to Wenger or the clubs lack of ambition (financially)?

We all know that Stan isn't interesting in "winning", he just wants to spend the least amount of money that ensures his profits continue. If that remains the case, then no "big name" manager is going to be able to compete in the short term. So it looks less of an attractive prospect (save for the wages). Also, there will continue to be a big disconnect between the owner's aspirations and the fans. In that scenario, you'd be better off employing Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche and giving them a few years to build a squad on a tighter budget.

If I was Gazidis, I'd be on the phone to Benitez - not sure if he constitutes a "big name" but he ticks all the boxes; Domestic & European success, attractive football, proven he can work on a lesser budget than the top clubs (Newcastle, Liverpool, Valencia) etc.

if the fund is 50m and i doubt it given latest accounts, and new sponsorships deals (CL football isint the money spinner it was, now the PL money is so obscene, CL doesn't make that much difference relatively, it starts to hurt after a few seasons in terms of sponsors etc, but in turn player remuneration/bonus should drop), then that's not including sales of the dross. 40m for ramsey, yes please, 25m for mustafi to china, yes please etc etc.

of the big managers id love allegri but it wont be the only relasitic big name i think we may get due to the bpards ambition is ancellotti and id like that but, i don't see him fitting Ivans statement. its goign to be someone grateful for a job at a club of our size, calibre. if its 0 credentials other than being nice and playing naive football eddie howe or arteta i take it all back and would rather have the old fool back.

ultimately the club are in the top 10 of richest clubs in the world, its an attractive job.

[leglessAlex]

TEKNOPUG said:

If I was Gazidis, I'd be on the phone to Benitez - not sure if he constitutes a "big name" but he ticks all the boxes; Domestic & European success, attractive football, proven he can work on a lesser budget than the top clubs (Newcastle, Liverpool, Valencia) etc.

I'm not sure about the bold bit. Effective, yes, but attractive? He can be very defensive at times even if he never quite parks the bus like Jose does.

Of course, that said, his defensive strength is something we have been begging for for ages. Add to that his known ruthlessness when it comes to dropping those that don't perform and I'd be incredibly happy if they managed to sign him.

[jammy-git]

theplayingmantis said:

TEKNOPUG said:

cbmotorsport said:

It's a dangerous game for the club. Go for someone inexperienced or unheard of, and if they don't work out, and prove to be worse than Wenger, the backlash will be extreme.

I think it has to be a big name, and I think we can attract the right person, we're a fantastic project for the right person.

Is it though? Unless the club are prepared to back the manager with bug transfer funds, then it becomes a poison chalice. Arsenal can be forgiven for not winning the league but for the club with the 6th biggest revenue in the world, your CL performances for example, are appalling. All the other clubs in the top 10 are regular semi/finalists. Is it just down to Wenger or the clubs lack of ambition (financially)?

We all know that Stan isn't interesting in "winning", he just wants to spend the least amount of money that ensures his profits continue. If that remains the case, then no "big name" manager is going to be able to compete in the short term. So it looks less of an attractive prospect (save for the wages). Also, there will continue to be a big disconnect between the owner's aspirations and the fans. In that scenario, you'd be better off employing Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche and giving them a few years to build a squad on a tighter budget.

If I was Gazidis, I'd be on the phone to Benitez - not sure if he constitutes a "big name" but he ticks all the boxes; Domestic & European success, attractive football, proven he can work on a lesser budget than the top clubs (Newcastle, Liverpool, Valencia) etc.

if the fund is 50m and i doubt it given latest accounts, and new sponsorships deals (CL football isint the money spinner it was, now the PL money is so obscene, CL doesn't make that much difference relatively, it starts to hurt after a few seasons in terms of sponsors etc, but in turn player remuneration/bonus should drop), then that's not including sales of the dross. 40m for ramsey, yes please, 25m for mustafi to china, yes please etc etc.

of the big managers id love allegri but it wont be the only relasitic big name i think we may get due to the bpards ambition is ancellotti and id like that but, i don't see him fitting Ivans statement. its goign to be someone grateful for a job at a club of our size, calibre. if its 0 credentials other than being nice and playing naive football eddie howe or arteta i take it all back and would rather have the old fool back.

ultimately the club are in the top 10 of richest clubs in the world, its an attractive job.

From what I've read, the problem isn't the amount of cash you have for transfer fees, but the amount available for wages under FFP.

[aeropilot]

TEKNOPUG said:

cbmotorsport said:

It's a dangerous game for the club. Go for someone inexperienced or unheard of, and if they don't work out, and prove to be worse than Wenger, the backlash will be extreme.

I think it has to be a big name, and I think we can attract the right person, we're a fantastic project for the right person.

Is it though? Unless the club are prepared to back the manager with big transfer funds, then it becomes a poison chalice. Arsenal can be forgiven for not winning the league but for the club with the 6th biggest revenue in the world, your CL performances for example, are appalling. All the other clubs in the top 10 are regular semi/finalists. Is it just down to Wenger or the clubs lack of ambition (financially)?

We all know that Stan isn't interesting in "winning", he just wants to spend the least amount of money that ensures his profits continue. If that remains the case, then no "big name" manager is going to be able to compete in the short term. So it looks less of an attractive prospect (save for the wages). Also, there will continue to be a big disconnect between the owner's aspirations and the fans. In that scenario, you'd be better off employing Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche and giving them a few years to build a squad on a tighter budget.

If I was Gazidis, I'd be on the phone to Benitez - not sure if he constitutes a "big name" but he ticks all the boxes; Domestic & European success, attractive football, proven he can work on a lesser budget than the top clubs (Newcastle, Liverpool, Valencia) etc.

I don't disagree with any of that, I think its spot on with Silent Stan (or rather it seems his son is the one pulling the strings now) and it seems the club have cooled their interest in Enrique purely for this reasons.........he wants a big budget and they aren't prepared to stump it up for a huge squad overhaul.

So, yes, Rafa wouldn't be a bad fit in all honesty, as we'll need someone that knows the PL and can work with what he's got for a season at least.
Again, Ancellotti could fit that bill as well I think....although less recent PL experience, but its better than none at all.

[TEKNOPUG]

theplayingmantis said:

TEKNOPUG said:

cbmotorsport said:

It's a dangerous game for the club. Go for someone inexperienced or unheard of, and if they don't work out, and prove to be worse than Wenger, the backlash will be extreme.

I think it has to be a big name, and I think we can attract the right person, we're a fantastic project for the right person.

Is it though? Unless the club are prepared to back the manager with bug transfer funds, then it becomes a poison chalice. Arsenal can be forgiven for not winning the league but for the club with the 6th biggest revenue in the world, your CL performances for example, are appalling. All the other clubs in the top 10 are regular semi/finalists. Is it just down to Wenger or the clubs lack of ambition (financially)?

We all know that Stan isn't interesting in "winning", he just wants to spend the least amount of money that ensures his profits continue. If that remains the case, then no "big name" manager is going to be able to compete in the short term. So it looks less of an attractive prospect (save for the wages). Also, there will continue to be a big disconnect between the owner's aspirations and the fans. In that scenario, you'd be better off employing Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche and giving them a few years to build a squad on a tighter budget.

If I was Gazidis, I'd be on the phone to Benitez - not sure if he constitutes a "big name" but he ticks all the boxes; Domestic & European success, attractive football, proven he can work on a lesser budget than the top clubs (Newcastle, Liverpool, Valencia) etc.

if the fund is 50m and i doubt it given latest accounts, and new sponsorships deals (CL football isint the money spinner it was, now the PL money is so obscene, CL doesn't make that much difference relatively, it starts to hurt after a few seasons in terms of sponsors etc, but in turn player remuneration/bonus should drop), then that's not including sales of the dross. 40m for ramsey, yes please, 25m for mustafi to china, yes please etc etc.

of the big managers id love allegri but it wont be the only relasitic big name i think we may get due to the bpards ambition is ancellotti and id like that but, i don't see him fitting Ivans statement. its goign to be someone grateful for a job at a club of our size, calibre. if its 0 credentials other than being nice and playing naive football eddie howe or arteta i take it all back and would rather have the old fool back.

ultimately the club are in the top 10 of richest clubs in the world, its an attractive job.

The problem is that you need to be spending £50m net every season just to stand still. Which coincidently is what EPL clubs are guaranteed to earn from CL qualification. So it may be true for the likes of United, Citeh and Chelski, that missing out on £50m has little impact, but with the purse strings as tight as the are at Arsenal, it would seem imperative that they are regular Cl qualifiers.

[TEKNOPUG]

leglessAlex said:

TEKNOPUG said:

If I was Gazidis, I'd be on the phone to Benitez - not sure if he constitutes a "big name" but he ticks all the boxes; Domestic & European success, attractive football, proven he can work on a lesser budget than the top clubs (Newcastle, Liverpool, Valencia) etc.

I'm not sure about the bold bit. Effective, yes, but attractive? He can be very defensive at times even if he never quite parks the bus like Jose does.

Of course, that said, his defensive strength is something we have been begging for for ages. Add to that his known ruthlessness when it comes to dropping those that don't perform and I'd be incredibly happy if they managed to sign him.

He's no Jose though.

[leglessAlex]

TEKNOPUG said:

leglessAlex said:

TEKNOPUG said:

If I was Gazidis, I'd be on the phone to Benitez - not sure if he constitutes a "big name" but he ticks all the boxes; Domestic & European success, attractive football, proven he can work on a lesser budget than the top clubs (Newcastle, Liverpool, Valencia) etc.

I'm not sure about the bold bit. Effective, yes, but attractive? He can be very defensive at times even if he never quite parks the bus like Jose does.

Of course, that said, his defensive strength is something we have been begging for for ages. Add to that his known ruthlessness when it comes to dropping those that don't perform and I'd be incredibly happy if they managed to sign him.

He's no Jose though.

Damn right he's not.

[StonedRollin]

jammy-git said:

From what I've read, the problem isn't the amount of cash you have for transfer fees, but the amount available for wages under FFP.

That's going on the assumption that we don't sell. I think anyone coming in is likely to offload a number of first team players in the midfield and defence to be honest.

[jammy-git]

Who have you got left on big wages to get rid of to afford the big wages of someone incoming?

Even if you offloaded 2 or 3 to bring in 1, your squad isn't exactly large as it is.

[IrateNinja]

Mertesacker goes in the summer, Cazorla and Koscielny can barely manage a game a week (as much as it pains me to say). Monreal is getting on a bit. Ospina doesn't convince.

A lot £££ per week there.

[aeropilot]

IrateNinja said:

Cazorla and Koscielny can barely manage a game a week (as much as it pains me to say).

Santi has played a game since Oct 2016..........