The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
stu1984 said:
The way I currently see it, based on what I have seen in pre-season and on the additions to the squads, is that City and Liverpool look a fair way (8-10 points maybe) ahead of the chasing pack. With Utd, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea, fighting to fill the last 2 top four spaces...
This is the way I see it too.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45094538
Kroenke trying to buy all of arsenal. We all knew it was coming.
Kroenke trying to buy all of arsenal. We all knew it was coming.
Glassman said:
There's a lot of work to be done, and there will be a few ups and downs yet.
To be fair to Emery, it's his first season and he's taking over a squad that was lacking in many areas.
So far so good I think.
Yup....I think there's potentially one very good addition in Torreira, an upgrade (Leno for Ospina)....not really sure what I think about Sokratis. Lichsteiner is definitely an upgrade on the back up right back we didn't have last year. To be fair to Emery, it's his first season and he's taking over a squad that was lacking in many areas.
So far so good I think.
All that is pretty peripheral though....there isn't a single player who can look at last season and say they can't improve (maybe PEA given his 10 goals in 15 games is the exception).
Emery has to find a playing style that works for this squad and find it pretty quickly...I don't reckon we'll have a real idea about this squad until after Christmas. We've certainly got a big enough squad to play a decent team in the Europa League, that has to get serious focus this year as it's our most realistic chance of getting back in the Champions League.
Oh and by Thursday night ideally Ramsey and Nelson will have signed new contracts and Perez, Welbeck, Jenkinson, Campbell, Ospina and Holding will have found new homes.
scrubchub said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45094538
Kroenke trying to buy all of arsenal. We all knew it was coming.
I'm not sure what difference it'll make to us, other than the fact that he can now buy 100% of the club and run it as a private company. As majority shareholder, and with Usminov not on the board he had complete control anyway.Kroenke trying to buy all of arsenal. We all knew it was coming.
Usminov is a bit of a shady character anyway, not really a good fit for a club that has always tried to do things with class and integrity. (although having said that, Kronke's faux pas are well publicised too)
I just hope that somehow we don't slip further into perenial mid table mediocrity like the rest of his sports franchises.
Edited by cbmotorsport on Tuesday 7th August 09:14
cbmotorsport said:
Usminov is a bit of a shady character anyway, not really a good fit for a club that has always tried to do things with class and integrity.
What multi-billionaire's in this modern world are not shady characters.....especially those who want to buy into football?I think the days of class and integrity are long gone in the world of football, naïve to think otherwise.
cbmotorsport said:
I just hope that somehow we don't slip further into perenial mid table mediocrity like the rest of his sports franchises.
That is the very real fear........Only thing is he does seem to be letting his son be more involved than himself now, so maybe that might be the difference.......or not!?
Time will tell.
aeropilot said:
What multi-billionaire's in this modern world are not shady characters.....especially those who want to buy into football?
I think the days of class and integrity are long gone in the world of football, naïve to think otherwise.
Agreed, and I'm not naive but how we are perceived still seems to be important to Arsenal...and Kronke is a better fit with that in mind than Usminov. I think the days of class and integrity are long gone in the world of football, naïve to think otherwise.
cbmotorsport said:
aeropilot said:
What multi-billionaire's in this modern world are not shady characters.....especially those who want to buy into football?
I think the days of class and integrity are long gone in the world of football, naïve to think otherwise.
Agreed, and I'm not naive but how we are perceived still seems to be important to Arsenal...and Kronke is a better fit with that in mind than Usminov. I think the days of class and integrity are long gone in the world of football, naïve to think otherwise.
And, I'd rather have a shady character that at least was a footie fan, rather than Kronke, that I doubt would know what a football was if it hit him square in the face.
Kronke's only interest is the bottom line of the accounts sheets...............
Arsenal Supporters Trust not happy.......
BBC said:
While Kroenke says taking sole ownership will benefit the club, the Arsenal Supporters' Trust (AST) called the news "a dreadful day" for the Gunners.
"Stan Kroenke taking the club private will see the end of supporters owning shares in Arsenal and their role upholding custodianship values," said an AST statement.
AST added that by becoming the 100% owner, Kroenke would be able to take "detrimental actions" such as paying "management fees and dividends without any check or balance".
It added: "The AST is also extremely concerned to note that this purchase is being funded by a loan.
"The AST is wholly against this takeover which marks a very sad day for Arsenal football club."
"Stan Kroenke taking the club private will see the end of supporters owning shares in Arsenal and their role upholding custodianship values," said an AST statement.
AST added that by becoming the 100% owner, Kroenke would be able to take "detrimental actions" such as paying "management fees and dividends without any check or balance".
It added: "The AST is also extremely concerned to note that this purchase is being funded by a loan.
"The AST is wholly against this takeover which marks a very sad day for Arsenal football club."
jammy-git said:
London424 said:
cbmotorsport said:
lemmingjames said:
Kroenke Out placards soon?
There certainly will be the minute he dares to take money out of his asset. The genesis of the AST was a club backed scheme to allow fans to buy shares by allowing the AST to split each Arsenal share so that fans could "sub-particpate" e.g. Arsenal shares were £10,000 each....each of those shares were split into 100 of £100. The club stopped supporting that years ago. It was a good idea but it became irrelevant but it seems to me the people behind it still use it as a way of promoting their beliefs...their beliefs have merit but they are just their beliefs.
The reality is that the hung shareholder structure we had was the worst thing possible...two billionaires who clearly didn't like each other so there was no possibility of anything happening with the club. Now there is a possibility that we could get some external investment with 100% ownership...that's what you have to hope for. People wanted Usmanov because he wasn't Kronke and he said he'd invest money in the club....but he also said he'd never sell to Kronke....so he was clearly full of s
t and his money is of dubious origin. The one thing I didn't want Arsenal being used for was some kind of money laundering operation which isn't far from what Abramovich has done with Chelsea. Arsenal are pretty much strapped for cash in their ability to compete with the other Top 6 clubs so I don't really see Kronke wanting to weaken the balance sheet. He wants the asset he owns to increase in value....weakening it's finances won't achieve that. The Glazer's took money out of Man Utd in an era when Utd had massive on pitch dominance and they were and are in another league financially to every other team. Kronke's not stupid....IF he perceives there's genuine ability to make Arsenal a bigger more valuable club maybe he'll take that chance.
As things stand Arsenal are the London club that with the right investment could be transformed into THE London club....we have the history, we have the fan base, we have the social media followers (that counts these days) etc etc. Spurs are going to be hamstrung by their stadium for two or three years and Chelsea's ownership is uncertain and their stadium plans on hold. Maybe Kronke sees an opportunity.
Cheib said:
People wanted Usmanov because he wasn't Kronke and he said he'd invest money in the club....but he also said he'd never sell to Kronke....so he was clearly full of st and his money is of dubious origin.
Oh come on, what do you expect him to say when you're in behind the scenes battle to take control of a club/business the size of Arsenal.....t and his money is of dubious origin. 
He's naturally tried to give Kronke the impression that's he's going to be a thorn in his side, in his attempt to win and it's not as if he didn't give it a good go, buying Moshri's shares, and putting a £1bn offer on the table to Kronke for his shares.
Sure his money might be of dubious origin, but what billionaire's aren't these days, none of them are lillywhite in their business dealings, that's why they are billionaires.
Cheib said:
As things stand Arsenal are the London club that with the right investment could be transformed into THE London club....we have the history, we have the fan base, we have the social media followers (that counts these days) etc etc. Spurs are going to be hamstrung by their stadium for two or three years and Chelsea's ownership is uncertain and their stadium plans on hold. Maybe Kronke sees an opportunity.
I don't wear rose tinted specs, and just look at Kronke's history with all his other sports franchises......why should Arsenal be any different, and even more so in a sport he knows diddly squat about?The only difference, just maybe, is that it would appear that Kronke has handed over much more control of us to Kronke Junior, which adds a bit of unknown............so, on that basis only, I'm keeping more of an open mind, but am also keeping an eye out for a few more Texas mega ranches being bought.
aeropilot said:
Cheib said:
People wanted Usmanov because he wasn't Kronke and he said he'd invest money in the club....but he also said he'd never sell to Kronke....so he was clearly full of st and his money is of dubious origin.
Oh come on, what do you expect him to say when you're in behind the scenes battle to take control of a club/business the size of Arsenal.....t and his money is of dubious origin. He's naturally tried to give Kronke the impression that's he's going to be a thorn in his side, in his attempt to win and it's not as if he didn't give it a good go, buying Moshri's shares, and putting a £1bn offer on the table to Kronke for his shares.
Sure his money might be of dubious origin, but what billionaire's aren't these days, none of them are lillywhite in their business dealings, that's why they are billionaires.
Cheib said:
As things stand Arsenal are the London club that with the right investment could be transformed into THE London club....we have the history, we have the fan base, we have the social media followers (that counts these days) etc etc. Spurs are going to be hamstrung by their stadium for two or three years and Chelsea's ownership is uncertain and their stadium plans on hold. Maybe Kronke sees an opportunity.
I don't wear rose tinted specs, and just look at Kronke's history with all his other sports franchises......why should Arsenal be any different, and even more so in a sport he knows diddly squat about?The only difference, just maybe, is that it would appear that Kronke has handed over much more control of us to Kronke Junior, which adds a bit of unknown............so, on that basis only, I'm keeping more of an open mind, but am also keeping an eye out for a few more Texas mega ranches being bought.
Anyway regardless of all this the mess that David Dein helped create has finally resolved itself....it's been a very bad thing for the club having the stalemate in it's ownership structure....that is for sure.
Whether Kronke becomes a good owner/custodian who knows but we're about to find out. In an environment like the Premier League stasis is a bad thing....if he f
ks it up his club that he's just valued at £1.8bil won't be worth that for much longer. There are definitely parallels with the US and concerns about his ownership model there but it's avery different sporting model. There's no Champions League money, there's no promotion and relegation.....the difference there between being mid-table and finishing Top 4 is nothing like as stark. Mid-table mediocrity makes you money in the US....in the English Premier League in turns the club into a cash sponge. There aren't the "financial cliffs" that exist here. We all know he's in this for money and I only see one way of really making the club more valuable...that's by getting better results on the pitch.
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