The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4

[BlackLabel]

mylesmcd said:

I hope so. I dont think he is worth parity with the clubs big earners and also that better guidance is needed on the wage structure.

From Ramsey’s pov if someone like Ozil is on £350k/week then Ramsey’s demands of £200-250k/week (if the press reports are correct) isn’t all that unreasonable. I mean over the last few seasons has Ozil really been significantly more productive than Ramsey has?

[Glassman]

BlackLabel said:

From Ramsey’s pov if someone like Ozil is on £350k/week then Ramsey’s demands of £200-250k/week (if the press reports are correct) isn’t all that unreasonable.

It probably is, but that's an issue about Ozil's contract. I've never liked the idea of one player earning truckloads more than anyone else in the team. Make it performance related by all means.

This is football, and players' heads get turned by richer clubs.

[Cheib]

Glassman said:

BlackLabel said:

From Ramsey’s pov if someone like Ozil is on £350k/week then Ramsey’s demands of £200-250k/week (if the press reports are correct) isn’t all that unreasonable.

It probably is, but that's an issue about Ozil's contract. I've never liked the idea of one player earning truckloads more than anyone else in the team. Make it performance related by all means.

This is football, and players' heads get turned by richer clubs.

A lot of Ozil’s contractual worth to Arsenal is commercial in these days of Social Media the gulf between the value of Ozil and any other player at Arsenal is immense. Ozil has 23mil Twitter followers...which is 10mil more than the clubs official account and 20 mil more than Ramsey’s!

On a footballing front I really like Ramsey, there was that season when he was Arenal’s leading tackler and goal scorer at one stage IIRC....when he was playing alongisde Arteta. From reading more on tactics...a lot of what Ramsey achieves on the pitch is achieved by him being given a free role much as Ozil does. There’s not room for two of them in the side. He “bombs forward” a lot but in these days of pressing he leave s big spaces behind him which in the way teams now play is moe dangerous than ever.

Certainly seems like he’s off....be interesting to see where he goes. I also think he’s a bit of a victim of what suddenly looks like an area of the team where we have young players pushing for game time. Guendouzi, Maitland Nile’s and Smith Rowe all look the real deal. That money that would be tied up in Ramsey could be spent on a new Left Back, Wide Attceking player or CB.

[Glassman]

Cheib said:

That money that would be tied up in Ramsey could be spent on a new Left Back, Wide Attceking player or CB.

[anonymous-user]

BlackLabel said:

mylesmcd said:

I hope so. I dont think he is worth parity with the clubs big earners and also that better guidance is needed on the wage structure.

From Ramsey’s pov if someone like Ozil is on £350k/week then Ramsey’s demands of £200-250k/week (if the press reports are correct) isn’t all that unreasonable. I mean over the last few seasons has Ozil really been significantly more productive than Ramsey has?

I think your right what you say, I think some of these wage variations piss the lower paid ones off, I reckon there's an element of that going on at Manchester United, I know it's always been the case but if one player is earning a lot more but is underperforming it must create problems.

[Glassman]

Good win today, and a nice rotation of players available.

[stevep944]

Who'd have thought we'd be 2 pts off the top and on a run of 9 wins!
Nice to see Lacazette doing well after he was 'Wengered' last season too.

[aeropilot]

stevep944 said:

Who'd have thought we'd be 2 pts off the top and on a run of 9 wins!

Best run of games since April 2015...!!

stevep944 said:

Nice to see Lacazette doing well after he was 'Wengered' last season too.

[jammy-git]

You guys definitely picking up the results and flying a little under the radar at the moment.

Other than the results are there definite improvements from under Wenger?

[Gargamel]

When Ramsey plays like that, I feel he should be the number one pick for England.

He is brilliant on his day

[aeropilot]

Gargamel said:

When Ramsey plays like that, I feel he should be the number one pick for England.

Err, he's Welsh.

[S100HP]

Gargamel said:

When Ramsey plays like that, I feel he should be the number one pick for England.

He is brilliant on his day

[Gargamel]

aeropilot said:

Err, he's Welsh.

On the other hand this wine is very good.

As you were...

[cbmotorsport]

jammy-git said:

You guys definitely picking up the results and flying a little under the radar at the moment.

Other than the results are there definite improvements from under Wenger?

Personally I think the players are reacting very well to a change of regime. They say he's a disciplinarian, and a real stickler, but the team spirit seems as good as it's been for years, which is a big part of the battle. The players seem to be enjoying their work.

I do think when we next come up against a really good team, our weaknesses will be exposed, but that's ok...it's still a work in progress.

We've definitely won games this season that last season we'd have lost, and we seem to be able to win ugly.

The most impressive thing about Emery is his willingness to hook players not performing, and bench some of the players that Wenger would always show unwavering belief in. I think this is healthy, it makes players want to perform, rather than go through the motions knowing they're always on the team sheet. We have some strength in depth in a lot of the positions, which offers a 'Plan B' for the first time in years.

Our predictable 70 minute substitutions have stopped, and he'll switch things around at half time if he doesn't feel it's working. Wenger would always throw fresh legs on at 70 minutes, but it never seemed to be a tactical thing, just a fresh pair of legs.

[mylesmcd]

Raygun said:

BlackLabel said:

mylesmcd said:

I hope so. I dont think he is worth parity with the clubs big earners and also that better guidance is needed on the wage structure.

From Ramsey’s pov if someone like Ozil is on £350k/week then Ramsey’s demands of £200-250k/week (if the press reports are correct) isn’t all that unreasonable. I mean over the last few seasons has Ozil really been significantly more productive than Ramsey has?

I think your right what you say, I think some of these wage variations piss the lower paid ones off, I reckon there's an element of that going on at Manchester United, I know it's always been the case but if one player is earning a lot more but is underperforming it must create problems.

My error, I thought he was asking for parity on wages, not 100k a week less.

[Glassman]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1029134/A...

Arsenal are the 'dirtiest' in the league in terms of number of fouls committed.

Oh, and the Torrera chant

[cbmotorsport]

Glassman said:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1029134/A...

Arsenal are the 'dirtiest' in the league in terms of number of fouls committed.

Oh, and the Torrera chant

Finally that bit of grit and steel we've always needed? Or maybe we're getting caught in to many positions where we have to resort to fouling? Who knows.

[Cheib]

cbmotorsport said:

Glassman said:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1029134/A...

Arsenal are the 'dirtiest' in the league in terms of number of fouls committed.

Oh, and the Torrera chant

Finally that bit of grit and steel we've always needed? Or maybe we're getting caught in to many positions where we have to resort to fouling? Who knows.

I was reading something the other day about how Man City deliberately commit fouls when they lose possession to stop the other team counter attacking on them. It's pretty clever and what you'd expect from a tactician like Guardiola. Hopefully Emery is schooling us to do the same thing!

Interesting soundbite from Cech recently was that under Wenger "playing the Arsenal way was more important than winning".....

[cbmotorsport]

Cheib said:

cbmotorsport said:

Glassman said:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1029134/A...

Arsenal are the 'dirtiest' in the league in terms of number of fouls committed.

Oh, and the Torrera chant

Finally that bit of grit and steel we've always needed? Or maybe we're getting caught in to many positions where we have to resort to fouling? Who knows.

I was reading something the other day about how Man City deliberately commit fouls when they lose possession to stop the other team counter attacking on them. It's pretty clever and what you'd expect from a tactician like Guardiola. Hopefully Emery is schooling us to do the same thing!

Interesting soundbite from Cech recently was that under Wenger "playing the Arsenal way was more important than winning".....

Makes perfect sense. Break up the flow of play and allows you to get back into position etc.

Not heard that from Cech.

[IrateNinja]

That Aubameyang is a handy player.