The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
Wonderman said:
Oh well at least we have 4.5 seasons of Iwobi to look forwards too.
Looking forwards to the curry after Chelsea match, the match itself not so much, we need creativity in midfield as Tank and Myles (assuming Bellerin strains himself doing another s
t selfie/ putting in his top knot) aren't exactly going to bomb the box.
Lucazette 10 assists
Ramsay 6 assists
Iwobi/ Aub 5 assists
Bellerin/ Tank 4 assists
Ozil/Xhaka 2 Assists
Sokratis 1 Assists
(From EPL fantasy stats page)
The return (or the need for the return) of Koz seems to have a given the deja vu back for us (recall he said he was off but was crocked and used us as a convalescence home-sound familiar) now he's still rusty and age not on his side I think he will now hang on to the bitter end. We extended Monreal for a year...when he can't get in the first team, some strange st going on.
Given Kroenke history with his other club "ownership", no surprise we are just real estate to him, and like a st landlord he wants to spend nothing unless absolutely necessary (but make sure he gets his "consultancy" fees). Feels like reducing the overheads/ avoiding increased wages spend (Ramsay), expect Ozil to go in the summer if we can offload him and "give some youth" a chance which will be er interesting. Be interested to see who would want to come to us it feel like the lack of ambition hasn't changed only the manager.
Hope I'm wrong but I feel another cheap year for the season ticket renewal already...wonder if they'll try and count the £10 cup matches if we don't make any European competition...
I ll put it on record now. I ll bomb any box. Looking forwards to the curry after Chelsea match, the match itself not so much, we need creativity in midfield as Tank and Myles (assuming Bellerin strains himself doing another s
t selfie/ putting in his top knot) aren't exactly going to bomb the box.Lucazette 10 assists
Ramsay 6 assists
Iwobi/ Aub 5 assists
Bellerin/ Tank 4 assists
Ozil/Xhaka 2 Assists
Sokratis 1 Assists
(From EPL fantasy stats page)
The return (or the need for the return) of Koz seems to have a given the deja vu back for us (recall he said he was off but was crocked and used us as a convalescence home-sound familiar) now he's still rusty and age not on his side I think he will now hang on to the bitter end. We extended Monreal for a year...when he can't get in the first team, some strange s
t going on. Given Kroenke history with his other club "ownership", no surprise we are just real estate to him, and like a s
t landlord he wants to spend nothing unless absolutely necessary (but make sure he gets his "consultancy" fees). Feels like reducing the overheads/ avoiding increased wages spend (Ramsay), expect Ozil to go in the summer if we can offload him and "give some youth" a chance which will be er interesting. Be interested to see who would want to come to us it feel like the lack of ambition hasn't changed only the manager.Hope I'm wrong but I feel another cheap year for the season ticket renewal already...wonder if they'll try and count the £10 cup matches if we don't make any European competition...
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Allyc85 said:
Petr Cech to retire at the end of the season, seems like the right time really. An absolute Premier League legend, who spends lots of time interacting with the fans. Hopefully he can stay on in a coaching role.
Seems a little strange to me, i still think he has something to offer and was in the best form he'd been for us before getting injured and letting Leno get a run in the team. 36 is very young for a top goaly to retire unless he's got some long term injury issue which isnt going to improve.NordicCrankShaft said:
Rumours abound also that Mislintat will be off/wants out by the end of the month.
Looks like the post Wenger circus was just a little late to the party .
They would unfortunately seem to have some substance behind them...Looks like the post Wenger circus was just a little late to the party .
Really can hardly blame him.
Do you reckon Ozil's 350k per week is linked to appearances, and Kroenke has veto'd his playing time? Seems as good a time as any to indulge in some conspiracies.
I don’t see the problem with the turmoil at the moment, in fact I’m quit liking it. Six months into a new manager after decades will always take time to understand what’s going on. Ship out most of the old guard and see what we can bring through over the next 3-4 years. Realistically, no chance of competing for the title as things stand, so why not try to grow something organically without the salary constraints they’ll suffer with up the road.
Klopp has changed the whole team in 3 years, whereas Mourinho was still fielding players from the Ferguson era quite recently. I know which approach I’d prefer in the medium term.
Klopp has changed the whole team in 3 years, whereas Mourinho was still fielding players from the Ferguson era quite recently. I know which approach I’d prefer in the medium term.
IrateNinja said:
NordicCrankShaft said:
Rumours abound also that Mislintat will be off/wants out by the end of the month.
Looks like the post Wenger circus was just a little late to the party .
They would unfortunately seem to have some substance behind them...Looks like the post Wenger circus was just a little late to the party .
Really can hardly blame him.
Do you reckon Ozil's 350k per week is linked to appearances, and Kroenke has veto'd his playing time? Seems as good a time as any to indulge in some conspiracies.
On Kroenke, there are a few loud mouthed chavs in the stands always shouting some nonsense, but as a ticket holder I don’t see them as the majority. The club needs to be self sustaining. Not living off the short term largesse of some owner.
tigerkoi said:
The club needs to be self sustaining. Not living off the short term largesse of some owner.
Which is fine as long as the fans accept what that means for the club in the long term and its ability to compete for the PL title again, unless the club academy can produce some exceptional talent in the next decade, that also doesn't get sold off to make the accounts look even better.aeropilot said:
tigerkoi said:
The club needs to be self sustaining. Not living off the short term largesse of some owner.
Which is fine as long as the fans accept what that means for the club in the long term and its ability to compete for the PL title again, unless the club academy can produce some exceptional talent in the next decade, that also doesn't get sold off to make the accounts look even better.I'm sure we can be self sustaining and regularly be 5th or 6th over the next decade, with maybe the odd year in the top 4 and CL. How many fans would be happy with that, really? Does anyone out there actually believe that we're going to get anywhere close to City and Liverpool with only modest spending?!
I see Sven is looking to leave. I guess the hope was good for the six months or so that we had it, right?
tigerkoi said:
Frothy, wonky eyed armchair fans might think otherwise, but I doubt Kroenke would get involved (1) and doubt a top line pro like Ozil would have allowed his agent to negotiate on a pay-per-game deal (2). That’d be just daft for an international who’s won the WC.
I'm absolutely inclined to agree on all three points. I was just looking for some logic as as you say, a top-line professional who has won the world cup is currently frozen out of the team, when the club are throwing huge amounts of money at him (and looking devoid of creativity).It's absurd how badly the clubs financial position has deteriorated in 12-18 months. It's commendable to not be living off the input of the owner, but throwing £120m at forwards (and I say that as a massive fan of both Laza and Auba), when the defence is laughably bad, and allowing top assets to leave for nothing has really hurt the team. Perhaps it's emphasised due to Liverpool lucking out with Barca throwing them a lot of cash (and having a manager to utilise it), and Poch doing a great job, and Guardiola having a nation state propping him up, but it's tough.
leglessAlex said:
aeropilot said:
tigerkoi said:
The club needs to be self sustaining. Not living off the short term largesse of some owner.
Which is fine as long as the fans accept what that means for the club in the long term and its ability to compete for the PL title again, unless the club academy can produce some exceptional talent in the next decade, that also doesn't get sold off to make the accounts look even better.I'm sure we can be self sustaining and regularly be 5th or 6th over the next decade, with maybe the odd year in the top 4 and CL. How many fans would be happy with that, really?
Maybe that's why Sven's looking to get out, as the 100% buyout has happened since he joined, so maybe that's the game changer for him now?
tigerkoi said:
IrateNinja said:
NordicCrankShaft said:
Rumours abound also that Mislintat will be off/wants out by the end of the month.
Looks like the post Wenger circus was just a little late to the party .
They would unfortunately seem to have some substance behind them...Looks like the post Wenger circus was just a little late to the party .
Really can hardly blame him.
Do you reckon Ozil's 350k per week is linked to appearances, and Kroenke has veto'd his playing time? Seems as good a time as any to indulge in some conspiracies.
On Kroenke, there are a few loud mouthed chavs in the stands always shouting some nonsense, but as a ticket holder I don’t see them as the majority. The club needs to be self sustaining. Not living off the short term largesse of some owner.
the emirates is full of jcls and tourists (less so now we are gash) though. they a, don't care as long as they get a nice day out some overpriced food and a selfie, and/or b, don't like football as it was and would complain to steward at the first sign of any other fans saying, singing something distasteful, or showing any passion.
as an ST holder (admittedly as a kid so i may have missed some) since the days of the new north bank that was mostly a reserved stand with bondholders and 'poshos', but still had a fair smattering of 'old skool' fans and these 'poshos' cared about the team so could be vocal at times. we and football hadnt reached peaked fashionability by then so it wasnt so bad in terms of clueless 'fans'. that changed come the emirates. a lot of the fan base at matches does not represent the fan base as a whole imo. some actual fans have come back now AW has gone but many wont as its lining SK pockets, so the fanbase at the emirates doesn't represent the distress at SK of the fanbase as a whole.
the self sustainability point is admirable but football has changed. like it or not and take moral high ground if you will, (and i have as all chelsea and citys trophies have an asterix alongside them in my mind (as they were not organically achieved, at least uniteds cash is through organic growth))we will not compete by self sustaining, and its got boring watching the doped clubs fight it out, so i say lets join in. We need the largesse of an owner. a club of our size, prestige and history will always have some rich owner wanting to be associated should one rich owner get bored. we are not a leeds.
In addition, it would help the self sustaining argument if it were truly so, we are 6th richest club in world yet have no money, supposedly. we are not being allowed to spend what we generate by our owner it seems, so when that happens it makes a mockery of self sustaining models.
Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 16th January 13:29
edited a million times as i seem to have become even more dyslexic
Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 16th January 13:31
theplayingmantis said:
tigerkoi said:
IrateNinja said:
NordicCrankShaft said:
Rumours abound also that Mislintat will be off/wants out by the end of the month.
Looks like the post Wenger circus was just a little late to the party .
They would unfortunately seem to have some substance behind them...Looks like the post Wenger circus was just a little late to the party .
Really can hardly blame him.
Do you reckon Ozil's 350k per week is linked to appearances, and Kroenke has veto'd his playing time? Seems as good a time as any to indulge in some conspiracies.
On Kroenke, there are a few loud mouthed chavs in the stands always shouting some nonsense, but as a ticket holder I don’t see them as the majority. The club needs to be self sustaining. Not living off the short term largesse of some owner.
the emirates is full of jcls and tourists (less so now we are gash) though. they a, don't care as long as they get a nice day out some overpriced food and a selfie, and/or b, don't like football as it was and would complain to steward at the first sign of any other fans saying, singing something distasteful, or showing any passion.
as an ST holder (admittedly as a kid so i may have missed some) since the days of the new north bank that was mostly a reserved stand with bondholders and 'poshos', but still had a fair smattering of 'old skool' fans and these 'poshos' cared about the team so could be vocal at times. we and football hadnt reached peaked fashionability by then so it wasnt so bad in terms of clueless 'fans'. that changed come the emirates. a lot of the fan base at matches does not represent the fan base as a whole imo. some actual fans have come back now AW has gone but many wont as its lining SK pockets, so the fanbase at the emirates doesn't represent the distress at SK of the fanbase as a whole.
the self sustainability point is admirable but football has changed. like it or not and take moral high ground if you will, (and i have as all chelsea and citys trophies have an asterix alongside them in my mind (as they were not organically achieved, at least uniteds cash is through organic growth))we will not compete by self sustaining, and its got boring watching the doped clubs fight it out, so i say lets join in. We need the largesse of an owner. a club of our size, prestige and history will always have some rich owner wanting to be associated should one rich owner get bored. we are not a leeds.
In addition, it would help the self sustaining argument if it were truly so, we are 6th richest club in world yet have no money, supposedly. we are not being allowed to spend what we generate by our owner it seems, so when that happens it makes a mockery of self sustaining models.
Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 16th January 13:29
edited a million times as i seem to have become even more dyslexic
Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 16th January 13:31
Look, it’s an interesting debate. I basically have three ‘local’ clubs: Arsenal, Malaga CF and Montreal Impact. Lucky me perhaps, but because of it I might see it differently.
Now, Impact and Arsenal aside for a minute, at Malaga, if you didn’t know, we have an Al-Thani - Sheikh Abdullah - as the President and since 2010, the primary investor in the club. So about as rich as they come. Where are we? In Segunda, the Championship basically. Yes, he’s active and wants a piece of the club, but he’s not throwing gazillions at the challenge. We had Isco, Joaquin, loads of stars leave in 2012, 3 and we didn’t even spend our away from impending relegation.
Impact is fun to watch at times, but doesn’t add to the debate - has Remi Garde and Sagna present though to make me think of older Arsenal days, ha
I go to Arsenal when I can, and have been going since ‘96. I think the makeup of the fans has always been a mix of ‘poshos’ and local ”barra” boys, but that simply reflected the area. Forget Nick Hornby, the area has always been a mix. If anything, Arsenal has always been seen as the grandee club, the ‘Bank of England’ and all sorts of knights involved over the years.
While I agree times have changed, and the makeup of clubs income has evolved with the TV money, I don’t think it’s technically correct to say that it’s a long history that sole rich owners are the key for clubs. Recent PL history might say that, but that’s not to say it’s the future. Like I say with Malaga, you can have one of the richest people in the world associated with a club, but that doesn’t guarantee they’ll a) invest for performance, and b) stick through the thick and thin.
I look at Everton and Moshiri. If he’s ‘only’ worth £1-2bn, do you really think he’ll plough a significant proportion of his net worth into a project that operates in a highly competitive space? Add Usmanov. It’s irrelevant I will guess, as Everton are still a club you’d bet will stay as underperformers. They just are.
Largesse can be fantastic at times, and doping is such a fitting word. But who wants to be an addict with a dependency and one day you have to go cold turkey?
No one can predict how football economics will evolve over the next few years. Fabulously rich men buying their way to trophies is only a short sequence in the longer history of football competition. Doesn’t necessarily say it’s the future. Merely part of the present. TV deals may have peaked, and they more than rich men circumnavigating FFP has fuelled clubs income. But are we at peak TV money? How can we predict how an Amazon, perhaps, might not muscle in further and then constrict what it has control over? We don’t know.
As a kid I watched pretty much every game at home with the 97/8 title team, and was delirious when the trophy was secured. Still my favourite AW team. And I want Arsenal to win as much as anyone, but if it’s a choice between a steady few years versus yo-yo ing with relegation just after winning a trinket, I know what I’d prefer. After all not all rich men live forever (Jack Walker, Srivaddhanaprabha, Jack Hayward...) and then what next!
tigerkoi said:
TPM - dyslexic or not, your points come across. It’s cool.
Look, it’s an interesting debate. I basically have three ‘local’ clubs: Arsenal, Malaga CF and Montreal Impact. Lucky me perhaps, but because of it I might see it differently.
Now, Impact and Arsenal aside for a minute, at Malaga, if you didn’t know, we have an Al-Thani - Sheikh Abdullah - as the President and since 2010, the primary investor in the club. So about as rich as they come. Where are we? In Segunda, the Championship basically. Yes, he’s active and wants a piece of the club, but he’s not throwing gazillions at the challenge. We had Isco, Joaquin, loads of stars leave in 2012, 3 and we didn’t even spend our away from impending relegation.
Impact is fun to watch at times, but doesn’t add to the debate - has Remi Garde and Sagna present though to make me think of older Arsenal days, ha
I go to Arsenal when I can, and have been going since ‘96. I think the makeup of the fans has always been a mix of ‘poshos’ and local ”barra” boys, but that simply reflected the area. Forget Nick Hornby, the area has always been a mix. If anything, Arsenal has always been seen as the grandee club, the ‘Bank of England’ and all sorts of knights involved over the years.
While I agree times have changed, and the makeup of clubs income has evolved with the TV money, I don’t think it’s technically correct to say that it’s a long history that sole rich owners are the key for clubs. Recent PL history might say that, but that’s not to say it’s the future. Like I say with Malaga, you can have one of the richest people in the world associated with a club, but that doesn’t guarantee they’ll a) invest for performance, and b) stick through the thick and thin.
I look at Everton and Moshiri. If he’s ‘only’ worth £1-2bn, do you really think he’ll plough a significant proportion of his net worth into a project that operates in a highly competitive space? Add Usmanov. It’s irrelevant I will guess, as Everton are still a club you’d bet will stay as underperformers. They just are.
Largesse can be fantastic at times, and doping is such a fitting word. But who wants to be an addict with a dependency and one day you have to go cold turkey?
No one can predict how football economics will evolve over the next few years. Fabulously rich men buying their way to trophies is only a short sequence in the longer history of football competition. Doesn’t necessarily say it’s the future. Merely part of the present. TV deals may have peaked, and they more than rich men circumnavigating FFP has fuelled clubs income. But are we at peak TV money? How can we predict how an Amazon, perhaps, might not muscle in further and then constrict what it has control over? We don’t know.
As a kid I watched pretty much every game at home with the 97/8 title team, and was delirious when the trophy was secured. Still my favourite AW team. And I want Arsenal to win as much as anyone, but if it’s a choice between a steady few years versus yo-yo ing with relegation just after winning a trinket, I know what I’d prefer. After all not all rich men live forever (Jack Walker, Srivaddhanaprabha, Jack Hayward...) and then what next!
I think we're in for more than a steady few years......on top of the past 15 'steady' years since last winning the league. Look, it’s an interesting debate. I basically have three ‘local’ clubs: Arsenal, Malaga CF and Montreal Impact. Lucky me perhaps, but because of it I might see it differently.
Now, Impact and Arsenal aside for a minute, at Malaga, if you didn’t know, we have an Al-Thani - Sheikh Abdullah - as the President and since 2010, the primary investor in the club. So about as rich as they come. Where are we? In Segunda, the Championship basically. Yes, he’s active and wants a piece of the club, but he’s not throwing gazillions at the challenge. We had Isco, Joaquin, loads of stars leave in 2012, 3 and we didn’t even spend our away from impending relegation.
Impact is fun to watch at times, but doesn’t add to the debate - has Remi Garde and Sagna present though to make me think of older Arsenal days, ha
I go to Arsenal when I can, and have been going since ‘96. I think the makeup of the fans has always been a mix of ‘poshos’ and local ”barra” boys, but that simply reflected the area. Forget Nick Hornby, the area has always been a mix. If anything, Arsenal has always been seen as the grandee club, the ‘Bank of England’ and all sorts of knights involved over the years.
While I agree times have changed, and the makeup of clubs income has evolved with the TV money, I don’t think it’s technically correct to say that it’s a long history that sole rich owners are the key for clubs. Recent PL history might say that, but that’s not to say it’s the future. Like I say with Malaga, you can have one of the richest people in the world associated with a club, but that doesn’t guarantee they’ll a) invest for performance, and b) stick through the thick and thin.
I look at Everton and Moshiri. If he’s ‘only’ worth £1-2bn, do you really think he’ll plough a significant proportion of his net worth into a project that operates in a highly competitive space? Add Usmanov. It’s irrelevant I will guess, as Everton are still a club you’d bet will stay as underperformers. They just are.
Largesse can be fantastic at times, and doping is such a fitting word. But who wants to be an addict with a dependency and one day you have to go cold turkey?
No one can predict how football economics will evolve over the next few years. Fabulously rich men buying their way to trophies is only a short sequence in the longer history of football competition. Doesn’t necessarily say it’s the future. Merely part of the present. TV deals may have peaked, and they more than rich men circumnavigating FFP has fuelled clubs income. But are we at peak TV money? How can we predict how an Amazon, perhaps, might not muscle in further and then constrict what it has control over? We don’t know.
As a kid I watched pretty much every game at home with the 97/8 title team, and was delirious when the trophy was secured. Still my favourite AW team. And I want Arsenal to win as much as anyone, but if it’s a choice between a steady few years versus yo-yo ing with relegation just after winning a trinket, I know what I’d prefer. After all not all rich men live forever (Jack Walker, Srivaddhanaprabha, Jack Hayward...) and then what next!
Fact is, we're the 3rd most successful club with 13 titles, behind Liverpool's x 18 and Man Utd's x 20 titles.
These are the only 3 teams to be in double figures of titles. Ironically, Everton, who you dismissed as underperformers, are 4th on the all-time list with 9 titles
albeit they last won it way back in 1987, which was only 3 years before the last of Liverpool's 18 titles...!!Sadly, I think we could well be in for that sort of wait before number 14.
all good points tiger, but arsenal have always moved with the times, well not on the face of it sometimes but where it matters.
the long term future may not be huge tv deals and super rich mens toys, but imo the short and medium term are and i dont think we are anywhere near peak PL, what with the growing middle classes in SE Asia and increasingly relevant in the near future, the subcontinent.
i agree with aero in that we either join the club or get left behind.
Everton will get it together, eventually. assuming moshiiri sticks around. coming from a position of nothing and decades of lack of success or even being close means they weren't in a position to take instant advantage of the influx in funds.
Levy and Lewis invest but have been looking to sell for years and hen the stadium is finally built may finally get a buyer. if they got a proper sugar daddy it doesn't bear thinking about.
we will be left behind even more than at present if we stay the current course.
the long term future may not be huge tv deals and super rich mens toys, but imo the short and medium term are and i dont think we are anywhere near peak PL, what with the growing middle classes in SE Asia and increasingly relevant in the near future, the subcontinent.
i agree with aero in that we either join the club or get left behind.
Everton will get it together, eventually. assuming moshiiri sticks around. coming from a position of nothing and decades of lack of success or even being close means they weren't in a position to take instant advantage of the influx in funds.
Levy and Lewis invest but have been looking to sell for years and hen the stadium is finally built may finally get a buyer. if they got a proper sugar daddy it doesn't bear thinking about.
we will be left behind even more than at present if we stay the current course.
aeropilot said:
I think we're in for more than a steady few years......on top of the past 15 'steady' years since last winning the league.
Fact is, we're the 3rd most successful club with 13 titles, behind Liverpool's x 18 and Man Utd's x 20 titles.
These are the only 3 teams to be in double figures of titles. Ironically, Everton, who you dismissed as underperformers, are 4th on the all-time list with 9 titles albeit they last won it way back in 1987, which was only 3 years before the last of Liverpool's 18 titles...!!
Sadly, I think we could well be in for that sort of wait before number 14.
Interesting stat on Everton, never knew! Fact is, we're the 3rd most successful club with 13 titles, behind Liverpool's x 18 and Man Utd's x 20 titles.
These are the only 3 teams to be in double figures of titles. Ironically, Everton, who you dismissed as underperformers, are 4th on the all-time list with 9 titles
albeit they last won it way back in 1987, which was only 3 years before the last of Liverpool's 18 titles...!!Sadly, I think we could well be in for that sort of wait before number 14.
I’m not blind to it; I can see lots of fans are very anti-Kroenke. But I just question whether or not it’s a little misguided and just based off incomplete information. As I say, TV money has been the major factor in the last few years. The great leveller.
Abramovich to my mind is a bit of an outlier when comparing recent football multi-billionaires. He seems to have been a fairly benevolent and steady owner. He obviously wants performance but Chelsea has luckily enough got some sort of dynamic where they can swap out coaches and still they are there or thereabouts. But generally I’m not sure many of these rich guys can ever be fully trusted. Very few of them enjoy giving their money away, for a start, so sudden ownership of a football club needs to be taken with a discerning view.
At the very least Kroenke has a genuine background in owning sports franchises. Many of these rich guys don’t. So on that basis he’s got to be a fairer pair of hands than some shady guy from Tajikistan or wherever, who no one has any history on.
tigerkoi said:
Abramovich to my mind is a bit of an outlier when comparing recent football multi-billionaires. He seems to have been a fairly benevolent and steady owner. He obviously wants performance but Chelsea has luckily enough got some sort of dynamic where they can swap out coaches and still they are there or thereabouts.
In fairness to Abramovich, and to Leicester's owner, they do seem to be at least interested in football and actually attend the matches on a regular basis (well Abramovich did until his recent visa issues)Our problem is we are owned by an owner that isn't interested in the game, just the balance sheet.
tigerkoi said:
At the very least Kroenke has a genuine background in owning sports franchises.
I see you've not actually bothered to read up on Silent Stan's track record with those franchises then.....
Your'e homework for tonight young man is to do that.
There will be an exam tomorrow in class
aeropilot said:
I see you've not actually bothered to read up on Silent Stan's track record with those franchises then.....
Your'e homework for tonight young man is to do that.
There will be an exam tomorrow in class
Please don’t infer that I’m making any opinion good or bad, on his dealings and ultimate goals for those franchises....just stating that in comparison to some unknown rich “mining billionaire” from a place no one has ever heard of suddenly taking over a club, maybe it’s better the devil you know...
Funnily enough I was watching the LA Rams play the other night
aeropilot said:
I see you've not actually bothered to read up on Silent Stan's track record with those franchises then.....
Your'e homework for tonight young man is to do that.
There will be an exam tomorrow in class
As part of the homework could dig you out the graphs of relative table standings of the franchises pre and post take over by Mr K too, and carry out a survey of their popularity rating for him too kthxbai. With sole ownership not need for him to interact with any fans re the Arsenal business.Your'e homework for tonight young man is to do that.
There will be an exam tomorrow in class
tigerkoi said:
just stating that in comparison to some unknown rich “mining billionaire” from a place no one has ever heard of suddenly taking over a club
Yes, but more than likely that in that place no one has ever heard of, that now billionaire, was a kid on a bit of scrub land kicking a ball around with his mates.......Not something that could ever be applied to Silent Stan or his son.
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