The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
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Nobody is inferring she does have a say in the vote.
Everyone knows that UEFA chooses its finals based on stadium category then a lottery system.
But it’s a tiny outfit of 500+ people; the thought that Mkhitaryan himself would be totally in the dark as to what the politics were/are when his sister sits in the hub in Nyon where the negotiations are flying around is a bit far fetched.
Everyone knows that UEFA chooses its finals based on stadium category then a lottery system.
But it’s a tiny outfit of 500+ people; the thought that Mkhitaryan himself would be totally in the dark as to what the politics were/are when his sister sits in the hub in Nyon where the negotiations are flying around is a bit far fetched.
Official statement re Mkhitaryan not travelling. 
https://www.arsenal.com/news/henrikh-mkhitaryan-mi...
https://www.arsenal.com/news/henrikh-mkhitaryan-mi...
Black can man said:
This throws football back about another 20 years IMHO.
Really annoys me so much.
Oh come on.Really annoys me so much.
See other posts above and take them in.
It’s really easy to read The Sun or the The Daily Mail and allow all the sensationalism by the likes of Ian Wright on his twitter feed to rot peoples’ brains, but don’t you think there’s just a little bit more to it than that? Come on...
People just don’t think for themselves anymore and just easy to repeat what they hear down the pub and whine, “UEFA is corrupt M8!!!”, “...OMG wasstheworldcomingtobruv!!!!???”
Jeez.
tigerkoi said:
Oh come on.
See other posts above and take them in.
It’s really easy to read The Sun or the The Daily Mail and allow all the sensationalism by the likes of Ian Wright on his twitter feed to rot peoples’ brains, but don’t you think there’s just a little bit more to it than that? Come on...
People just don’t think for themselves anymore and just easy to repeat what they hear down the pub and whine, “UEFA is corrupt M8!!!”, “...OMG wasstheworldcomingtobruv!!!!???”
Jeez.
But in your other posts I don't think you came up with a valid reason as to why it should be acceptable to host a cup final in a country that won't let a player attend for political reasons. See other posts above and take them in.
It’s really easy to read The Sun or the The Daily Mail and allow all the sensationalism by the likes of Ian Wright on his twitter feed to rot peoples’ brains, but don’t you think there’s just a little bit more to it than that? Come on...
People just don’t think for themselves anymore and just easy to repeat what they hear down the pub and whine, “UEFA is corrupt M8!!!”, “...OMG wasstheworldcomingtobruv!!!!???”
Jeez.
You are right, many countries on earth don't get on with each other to some degree. But generally, exceptions are made for sportspeople that are competing in international tournaments, and if this isn't possible the event is often moved to another country.
You're also right in that it isn't UEFAs or the Wests job to police other countries and hold the moral high ground. But this isn't a political issue and it shouldn't be made one. If the country isn't letting in a major first team player from one of the finalist teams and isn't relenting, then the event should be moved.
It might not be UEFAs job to police these countries, but why reward them with hosting a final when their house isn't in order?
Uefa are the biggest bunch of Hipocrites. And I quote from their own inclusive b
ks spiel.
Can’t see any mention of that peace and reconciliation not including Armenian footballers visiting Baku.
They’re full of st, end of.
ks spiel.Uefa website said:
This umbrella theme underpins all the elements of UEFA's social responsibility strategy, including the promotion of diversity, peace and reconciliation, football for all.
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/social-responsibility/respect/index.htmlCan’t see any mention of that peace and reconciliation not including Armenian footballers visiting Baku.
They’re full of s
t, end of.leglessAlex said:
But in your other posts I don't think you came up with a valid reason as to why it should be acceptable to host a cup final in a country that won't let a player attend for political reasons.
You are right, many countries on earth don't get on with each other to some degree. But generally, exceptions are made for sportspeople that are competing in international tournaments, and if this isn't possible the event is often moved to another country.
You're also right in that it isn't UEFAs or the Wests job to police other countries and hold the moral high ground. But this isn't a political issue and it shouldn't be made one. If the country isn't letting in a major first team player from one of the finalist teams and isn't relenting, then the event should be moved.
It might not be UEFAs job to police these countries, but why reward them with hosting a final when their house isn't in order?
Hey Alex...to be fair, I subtly did.You are right, many countries on earth don't get on with each other to some degree. But generally, exceptions are made for sportspeople that are competing in international tournaments, and if this isn't possible the event is often moved to another country.
You're also right in that it isn't UEFAs or the Wests job to police other countries and hold the moral high ground. But this isn't a political issue and it shouldn't be made one. If the country isn't letting in a major first team player from one of the finalist teams and isn't relenting, then the event should be moved.
It might not be UEFAs job to police these countries, but why reward them with hosting a final when their house isn't in order?
Aside from the lottery aspect of the decision making, as I remind all, UEFA has to envelop or support the interests of 55 different FAs. So not only can they not bias decisions for the richer countries, in the interests of spreading the game to the less lucky/wealthy etc parts of the world, then it’s good that if other countries are unlikely to experience the chance that their local teams ever make it to such a great occasion, at least they’ve got the opportunity - through a lottery - of one day maybe bringing the grand occasion to their country. For one year.
One year. Big deal, right? It won’t kill anyone to have it Baku...for one year...
Additionally, the situation between Azerbaijan and Armenia is a political one. And once again, where does a sporting institution like UEFA get off intervening in two countries affairs for what’s a 90 minute game of football. Where does that end? The English FA would never accept the hard hand of UEFA if ever there was a similar issue, so why should we in the West suddenly get overindulgent over matters beyond our experience?
If anything, this raises the issue of the challenge between some sovereign states and therefore it’s good on sport for bringing it to everyone’s awareness. But it’s unfair to expect UEFA to bridge all these issues. Like I say, you can’t legislate for everything, or even legally compact stuff, so organisations like UEFA can only try and get everyone to work with each other if possible.
And then....who’s to say the Azeris are actively denying Mkhitaryan? How do you know this is just more lazy western/U.K. press sensationalism? There’s a formal statement from the Azeri FA that advises they’ve given multiple and deep assurances. Do people not believe them and think Mhkitaryan is the next Martin Luther King or an assassination target? Seriously? Where would that leave Azerbaijan when it’s a country trying to work it’s way as a venue where it wants outsiders to visit? Other Armenian athletes have played sports in Azerbaijan recently...
UEFA can’t hold every player’s hand through airports, to their hotel, onto a bus, through a stadium entrance. That’s unfeasible, right? But they can try and get two FA’s or clubs to talk to each other and see if some mutual ground can be reached. They likely did that.
If Mhkitaryan felt he still couldn’t go, well, tough. Let’s stop whining about UEFA and how finals should only be in special locations to suit the precious interests of the richest clubs and just get on with the world not always being a box of chocolates.
Anyone heard of Mihran Harutyunyan? Probably not.
Well he’s a Greco-Roman wrestler. An Armenian one.
Who won the silver medal at the 2015 European Games. Which were held where? Let’s have a wild guess...
Exactly. The “Mhkitaryan Affair” isn’t some Tintin level of international intrigue and supra-national politics. It’s about one individual who’s making a personal choice and the self-indulgent, dumb UK press missing and skipping all the facts and whipping everyone up who can’t think for themselves into some hilarious tizzy.
Utter BS.
If anything this is about Mhkitaryan’s resolve as a guy. He’s a very talented player and by all accounts, levels of intelligence above the usual dummy, chav-tatted, jewellery bedecked footballer. Maybe the clue is in his personal makeup...
Well he’s a Greco-Roman wrestler. An Armenian one.
Who won the silver medal at the 2015 European Games. Which were held where? Let’s have a wild guess...
Exactly. The “Mhkitaryan Affair” isn’t some Tintin level of international intrigue and supra-national politics. It’s about one individual who’s making a personal choice and the self-indulgent, dumb UK press missing and skipping all the facts and whipping everyone up who can’t think for themselves into some hilarious tizzy.
Utter BS.
If anything this is about Mhkitaryan’s resolve as a guy. He’s a very talented player and by all accounts, levels of intelligence above the usual dummy, chav-tatted, jewellery bedecked footballer. Maybe the clue is in his personal makeup...
TwigtheWonderkid said:
As I understood it, the authorities in Baku and UEFA have said they can't guarantee his safety.
That is the word. Arsenal do not get the use of one of their top performers because Uefa have given the final to a country that cannot secure the safety of a visiting player.
Ludicrous .
Maybe he should just man-up & take a bullet
Edited by Black can man on Tuesday 21st May 20:45
TwigtheWonderkid said:
As I understood it, the authorities in Baku and UEFA have said they can't guarantee his safety.
If that's not the case, then it's on HM. But if that's true, both teams should boycott the match until they can guarantee his safety, or find another venue.
Come on, Twig...read between the lines here...If that's not the case, then it's on HM. But if that's true, both teams should boycott the match until they can guarantee his safety, or find another venue.
They can’t “guarantee” anything in the same way I can’t guarantee you coming round my house for tea and not getting hit by a car or snatched by a T-Rex on the way over.
Come on. An organisation based in Switzerland, the bastion of neutrality, can’t guarantee that an African warlord won’t chop your hand off or some ISIS types let off some grenades at the hotel bar.
They can influence, bring together a variety of bodies, but for a multitude of reasons, least of all insurance implications, they can’t guarantee anything like people are asking. Right?
You know that scene in For Your Eyes Only, when Topol/Columbo has James Bond on his boat under house arrest?
“I’m a good judge of man! You have what the Greeks call “Thrausos” - guts!”, as he pounds his fist into his stomach.
Well Mhkitaryan, nice guy, very intelligent, talented player on the ball...well, “thrausos” he no have. He’s the modern day Pat Nevin. Overthinks stuff and he’s passing this final because of what’s going on in his head.
tigerkoi said:
If anything this is about Mhkitaryan’s resolve as a guy. He’s a very talented player and by all accounts, levels of intelligence above the usual dummy, chav-tatted, jewellery bedecked footballer. Maybe the clue is in his personal makeup...
one Ancelotti sized eyebrow raised and a thumbs up.Carl_Manchester said:
tigerkoi said:
If anything this is about Mhkitaryan’s resolve as a guy. He’s a very talented player and by all accounts, levels of intelligence above the usual dummy, chav-tatted, jewellery bedecked footballer. Maybe the clue is in his personal makeup...
one Ancelotti sized eyebrow raised and a thumbs up. that made me laugh.All Baku discussion aside, I’d love to have seen old Carlo in charge of our lot. He’d have been fantastic for a quick two year sprint. He’s like the Red Bull of managers.
Carl_Manchester said:
Yeah, he was treated appallingly by the Chelsea management. Nice bloke as well as successful, he would have fitted in nicely at the ‘Arse.
A personal view, but I think he’s a better manager than Guardiola. In that for PG to function, he needs everything exactly ‘perfect’. He needs the right personality players who do as they are told, an exact system, everything. He has a formula. And fair enough. It works for him and he’s earnt his right to charge his fee and demand how he likes his setup.But with Carlo he can be parachuted into pretty much any job and make you competitive from the get go. A more pragmatic, less temperamental, winner.
Also in line with Arsenal, old Carlo just is more comfortable with the counter-attacking style and I think he could have turned our poor performance without the ball in the last few years into something that didn’t have to be a hindrance anymore. He would have played to our existing strengths better as opposed to Emery who seems not to have an ideal system and philosophy and - IIRC - just has the worst H2H against the likes of Mourinho, Guardiola and the best coaches around.
I pine for Carlo
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