The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
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I think I’ve calmed down a little now 
we got entirely what we deserved, lacklustre, clueless, no pace and weirdly towards the end playing with no midfield in a U formation. We played the entire game trying to do the same thing, that hadn’t worked for the entire game, almost Wenger-esque.
We should have gone balls out in the first 15 mins to nick a goal or two to kill the game off, instead we doodled about, and as we’ve seen before, when you start a game slow it’s bloody hard to start speeding up.
Senor Arteta sure has his work cut out sorting this mess.
we got entirely what we deserved, lacklustre, clueless, no pace and weirdly towards the end playing with no midfield in a U formation. We played the entire game trying to do the same thing, that hadn’t worked for the entire game, almost Wenger-esque.We should have gone balls out in the first 15 mins to nick a goal or two to kill the game off, instead we doodled about, and as we’ve seen before, when you start a game slow it’s bloody hard to start speeding up.
Senor Arteta sure has his work cut out sorting this mess.
Well, that was a massive disappointment.
Still, I believe we've mostly stopped the rot under Arteta, but I can't see where the substantial improvements will come from.
I was happy when I saw the team sheet, but maybe it would be a benefit to have less experience in some cases? Players like Saka, that have an actual desire to go forwards whenever they have the ball. It was Wenger-esque sideways stuff again and had me screaming at the TV in frustration.
I'm trying to rememer who were the worst offenders now, but Ozil and Xhaka in particular seemed to be so afraid to pass the ball forwards. It was so slow and ponderous, whereas in the last few games under Arteta I thought we've been doing okay wih moving the ball reasonably quickly.
This is going to be a huge test of Arteta's ability to pick the players back up, and realistically we now have to win every Prem game to have even a remote chance of 4th/5th dependng on what happens with City. I don't think we're good enough for the CL, not even close, but if wish to attract or keep any of our semi-decent players then I think we need it.
Till the end of the seaon our home games are:
West Ham
Norwich
Leicester
Liverpool
Watford
And away games:
City
Brighton
Southampton
Wolves
Spurs
Villa
Are we going to win all of them? Doubt it. I can see us losing to City, Liverpool, Spurs and Leicester at least, meaning that United or Spurs have to drop a minimum of 5 more points than us for us to leapfrog them. I can't see it. I'm not even sure I can see us getting enough for Europa League again.
I know Chelsea an United have both had times out of Europe in the last few years, but this just feels different. I don't know if that's because it's my team or what, but I find it so hard to see us really substantially improving results any time soon.
Still, I believe we've mostly stopped the rot under Arteta, but I can't see where the substantial improvements will come from.
I was happy when I saw the team sheet, but maybe it would be a benefit to have less experience in some cases? Players like Saka, that have an actual desire to go forwards whenever they have the ball. It was Wenger-esque sideways stuff again and had me screaming at the TV in frustration.
I'm trying to rememer who were the worst offenders now, but Ozil and Xhaka in particular seemed to be so afraid to pass the ball forwards. It was so slow and ponderous, whereas in the last few games under Arteta I thought we've been doing okay wih moving the ball reasonably quickly.
This is going to be a huge test of Arteta's ability to pick the players back up, and realistically we now have to win every Prem game to have even a remote chance of 4th/5th dependng on what happens with City. I don't think we're good enough for the CL, not even close, but if wish to attract or keep any of our semi-decent players then I think we need it.
Till the end of the seaon our home games are:
West Ham
Norwich
Leicester
Liverpool
Watford
And away games:
City
Brighton
Southampton
Wolves
Spurs
Villa
Are we going to win all of them? Doubt it. I can see us losing to City, Liverpool, Spurs and Leicester at least, meaning that United or Spurs have to drop a minimum of 5 more points than us for us to leapfrog them. I can't see it. I'm not even sure I can see us getting enough for Europa League again.
I know Chelsea an United have both had times out of Europe in the last few years, but this just feels different. I don't know if that's because it's my team or what, but I find it so hard to see us really substantially improving results any time soon.
Biggest issue seems that you are so pedestrian in attack. The Greeks parked the bus for sure but on the occasions they were caught up field, there was no urgency to capitalise on the space. Especially whenever Ozil or Xhaka got the ball and just stood on it before laying a pass off. Defence dos't inspire much confidence but you'd still have to think you are better than these performances. All seems a bit "keep the ball and hope PEA does something amazing". Like watching United with Van Persie but with Luiz & Mustafi instead of Vidic & Ferdinand....
mylesmcd said:
and the slow slide down to mid table mediocrity progresses. The young up and coming manager with nothing to loose experiments with little transfer budget in the hope of impressing another club, whilst the younger stars are groomed for sale, maximizing profit.
Change my mind...
I can't, as ours minds appear to be in the same place.Change my mind...
TEKNOPUG said:
Biggest issue seems that you are so pedestrian in attack. The Greeks parked the bus for sure but on the occasions they were caught up field, there was no urgency to capitalise on the space. Especially whenever Ozil or Xhaka got the ball and just stood on it before laying a pass off. Defence dos't inspire much confidence but you'd still have to think you are better than these performances. All seems a bit "keep the ball and hope PEA does something amazing". Like watching United with Van Persie but with Luiz & Mustafi instead of Vidic & Ferdinand....
To me Ozil plays well when a game is played at pace...he finds space and can make those killer passes. He just doesn’t look effective against a “set” defence. I read somewhere the other day that the % of his passes that go backwards compared to when he first came to Arsenal is much higher. Cupramax said:
I think I’ve calmed down a little now we got entirely what we deserved, lacklustre, clueless, no pace and weirdly towards the end playing with no midfield in a U formation. We played the entire game trying to do the same thing, that hadn’t worked for the entire game, almost Wenger-esque.
We should have gone balls out in the first 15 mins to nick a goal or two to kill the game off, instead we doodled about, and as we’ve seen before, when you start a game slow it’s bloody hard to start speeding up.
Senor Arteta sure has his work cut out sorting this mess.
Whilst we've got the current squad we've got to expect this result from time to time because we're not that good, I think Arteta has got rid of the Wenger defeatist attitude that seemed to hang around the club the past 10 years or more but you can only do so much with the current crop of players. We need to spend this coming Summer and get rid of some players otherwise it'll groundhog day next season. we got entirely what we deserved, lacklustre, clueless, no pace and weirdly towards the end playing with no midfield in a U formation. We played the entire game trying to do the same thing, that hadn’t worked for the entire game, almost Wenger-esque.We should have gone balls out in the first 15 mins to nick a goal or two to kill the game off, instead we doodled about, and as we’ve seen before, when you start a game slow it’s bloody hard to start speeding up.
Senor Arteta sure has his work cut out sorting this mess.
Raygun said:
Whilst we've got the current squad we've got to expect this result from time to time because we're not that good, I think Arteta has got rid of the Wenger defeatist attitude that seemed to hang around the club the past 10 years or more but you can only do so much with the current crop of players.
I thought he'd got rid of it until last night, and then it call came back. I still can't get over Xhaka and Ozil's sideways-ness, and the lack of forward drive. Okay, sure, I get that you don't want to just blindly run into the opposition but at the same time surely someone can get themselves in the box and someone else can get a cross in.
Look at Liverpool, in a game like that I can't help but think they'd use Alexander-Arnold and Robertson to just put cross after cross into the box until someone got onto the end of one. This is where we're missing Tierney I think, from what little I saw of him he seems to be able to put good balls into the right places.
megaphone said:
aeropilot said:
MOBB said:
42 points behind Liverpool :-/
And likely having to watch them beat the Invincibles 49 match record by end of next month........especially looking at their fixtures list over the next 7-8 PL games......Oh well...........
Loses of just over £20mil announced....and £15mil less in Europa League revenue this year due to going out much earlier. Up until now Arsenal have been a free ride for the Kronke family. 7 year ago we were 5th in the Deloitte rich list....we’re now 11th.
Their “self sustaining” model is pretty f
ked right now due to some really poor recruitment decisions of players, management and coaches. Have to say I think Arteta has been great so far but he needs backing with pound notes in a serious way this summer.
Their “self sustaining” model is pretty f
ked right now due to some really poor recruitment decisions of players, management and coaches. Have to say I think Arteta has been great so far but he needs backing with pound notes in a serious way this summer. Cheib said:
Loses of just over £20mil announced....and £15mil less in Europa League revenue this year due to going out much earlier. Up until now Arsenal have been a free ride for the Kronke family. 7 year ago we were 5th in the Deloitte rich list....we’re now 11th.
Their “self sustaining” model is pretty fked right now due to some really poor recruitment decisions of players, management and coaches. Have to say I think Arteta has been great so far but he needs backing with pound notes in a serious way this summer.
It's so bad the club may need payback us season ticket holders....Their “self sustaining” model is pretty f
ked right now due to some really poor recruitment decisions of players, management and coaches. Have to say I think Arteta has been great so far but he needs backing with pound notes in a serious way this summer. mirror said:
The club have recorded losses of £27.1million for the year ending in May 31, 2019, and to add insult to injury they could have to compensate season ticket holders £4.5m for not reaching the seven cup matches they are guaranteed as part of the ticket
Hang on we had a 40 million budget on player spend and spent 100 million last yr.
We’ve got some super dead wood on the wage bill, and somehow people are surprised we’ve recorded a loss?
Any football club (for the last 20 yrs) has never been self sustaining, it’s all about debt and amortisation of the assets (the players), hence why so many of the super rich/consortiums/states, have looked to mop up tax losses by injecting obscene funds.
Arsene Wenger was the anti establishment in this regard.
I can knock Kronke all day long, but at the end of the day, he’s not a state that’s money laundering/sports washing, an exiled soviet billionaire with dubious proof of funds, or even a formally sentenced criminal...
New broom from the actual club management (directors/shareholders)...will take time to sweep up.
We’ve got some super dead wood on the wage bill, and somehow people are surprised we’ve recorded a loss?
Any football club (for the last 20 yrs) has never been self sustaining, it’s all about debt and amortisation of the assets (the players), hence why so many of the super rich/consortiums/states, have looked to mop up tax losses by injecting obscene funds.
Arsene Wenger was the anti establishment in this regard.
I can knock Kronke all day long, but at the end of the day, he’s not a state that’s money laundering/sports washing, an exiled soviet billionaire with dubious proof of funds, or even a formally sentenced criminal...
New broom from the actual club management (directors/shareholders)...will take time to sweep up.
aeropilot said:
No we didn't.
Approx £45m spend for the financial year on players, not 100m.
19/20 season transfer windows, 141m players in 45m players out, so let’s call that 100m? The financial year is irrelevant in gross player spend when you have a defined finite time to actually sign players, who can play in that actual season in real competitions.Approx £45m spend for the financial year on players, not 100m.
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