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simoid said:
Driver101 said:
Get away with that garbage.
That kick merited a red. It's really hard to argue against it and to go as far as overturning it really undermines the authority of the refs who were actually right. It's a shocking decision.
If anything overturning that decision and not charging Gerrard for his comments shows favouritism towards Rangers.
There you go with your uppity behaviour again - you in charge of the laws of the game now? First goal scoring opportunities and now red cards?That kick merited a red. It's really hard to argue against it and to go as far as overturning it really undermines the authority of the refs who were actually right. It's a shocking decision.
If anything overturning that decision and not charging Gerrard for his comments shows favouritism towards Rangers.
What did Gerrard say that merited punishment?
What's with all this uppity nonsense now? Every time you don't like a point you have to use obsessed or now uppity as some sort of diversion tactic. It is a bit childish.
In charge of the laws? When does saying kicking someone merits make me in charge of the laws?
I gave my opinion about Ball and I think I'm right. I'm right without any dispute the guy was offside. That is proven by the video.
You're playing the sorry little victim way too hard. You seem super sensitive and full of weak excuses.
JuniorD said:
I wonder on what grounds it was downgraded to yellow, and will we ever find out.
Personally I think it was red - Morelos kicked out - however I dislike shoulder barging of any type, but particularly off the ball like this which has nothing to do with anything other than the Scott McKenna blatantly acting the
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I personally didn’t think the appeal would be successful, but Rangers obviously have a fair amount of recent experience with success in these tribunals...! Personally I think it was red - Morelos kicked out - however I dislike shoulder barging of any type, but particularly off the ball like this which has nothing to do with anything other than the Scott McKenna blatantly acting the
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I expect it’s some sort of faux-legal situation where precedent can be shown and there is a line between yellow and red. Morelos presumably was found to be short of the line.The off the ball stuff is part of the game, gaining an advantage through winding players up, timewasting too... diving... all largely does my tits in. Unless of course one’s own team is using it successfully.
Driver101 said:
simoid said:
Driver101 said:
Get away with that garbage.
That kick merited a red. It's really hard to argue against it and to go as far as overturning it really undermines the authority of the refs who were actually right. It's a shocking decision.
If anything overturning that decision and not charging Gerrard for his comments shows favouritism towards Rangers.
There you go with your uppity behaviour again - you in charge of the laws of the game now? First goal scoring opportunities and now red cards?That kick merited a red. It's really hard to argue against it and to go as far as overturning it really undermines the authority of the refs who were actually right. It's a shocking decision.
If anything overturning that decision and not charging Gerrard for his comments shows favouritism towards Rangers.
What did Gerrard say that merited punishment?
What's with all this uppity nonsense now? Every time you don't like a point you have to use obsessed or now uppity as some sort of diversion tactic. It is a bit childish.
In charge of the laws? When does saying kicking someone merits make me in charge of the laws?
I gave my opinion about Ball and I think I'm right. I'm right without any dispute the guy was offside. That is proven by the video.
You're playing the sorry little victim way too hard. You seem super sensitive and full of weak excuses.
You think you know better than the tribunal. That’s cool you’re entitled to your opinion and sense of superiority. The tribunal said red card was incorrect and they’re ultimately the ones who interpret the laws. They do so hopefully an objective and reasoned manner away from the heat of battle.
I enjoy reading different points of view and do try to be objective when I can, even in the partisan world of football. I’d like to learn what particular comments you feel SG should be reprimanded for and why - would you care to share?
Helicopter123 said:
Will be interesting to review after the window shuts.
Looks like Hibs could lose a key player, while Aberdeen bring in a couple.
I don't think Mckenna will move this window after getting injured at the weekend.
Presumably Celtic can’t really do any worthwhile business until their champions league group stage place is confirmed: players who would improve the starting XI might not risk missing out on Europe altogether.Looks like Hibs could lose a key player, while Aberdeen bring in a couple.
I don't think Mckenna will move this window after getting injured at the weekend.
simoid said:
I’m not sensitive at all. Quite the opposite. I’m quite happy to ignore the various insults that fly around this thread in order to have a bit of discussion.
You think you know better than the tribunal. That’s cool you’re entitled to your opinion and sense of superiority. The tribunal said red card was incorrect and they’re ultimately the ones who interpret the laws. They do so hopefully an objective and reasoned manner away from the heat of battle.
I enjoy reading different points of view and do try to be objective when I can, even in the partisan world of football. I’d like to learn what particular comments you feel SG should be reprimanded for and why - would you care to share?
You come across as very sensitive and overly defensive. You think you know better than the tribunal. That’s cool you’re entitled to your opinion and sense of superiority. The tribunal said red card was incorrect and they’re ultimately the ones who interpret the laws. They do so hopefully an objective and reasoned manner away from the heat of battle.
I enjoy reading different points of view and do try to be objective when I can, even in the partisan world of football. I’d like to learn what particular comments you feel SG should be reprimanded for and why - would you care to share?
Interpret the laws? What part of the rules says kicking someone isn't violent conduct and a red card?
Now the panel are always correct and know the laws inside out? How often has it be claimed that nobody in the SFA knows what they are doing? Now you're telling me they are 100% correct?
I do laugh at how fickled people are. The SFA and refs are only ever right if their decision suits. When it doesn't they don't know what they are doing and are useless.
How often during the World Cup did the best refs in the world, panels watching the VAR, football pundits and impartial referees disagree what the rules, laws and situations were?
You're sitting trying to claim the ref was wrong with his verdict not to send Ball off. What makes your opinion superior that you can call out the ref? Everyone is still managing to completely ignore the penalty should never have been given.
Gerrard was trying to suggest there is a campaign against Rangers. That is complete drivel and I'm sure they've had more wrong decisions in their favour than have gone against them. He was wrong in his assement of the game and calling out people for years was just plain unjustified. The victim mentality and been installed in him already. It must be deep rooted within the club as well as the fans.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 8th August 14:35
JuniorD said:
Rumours that Lazio are interested in Demebele. Well, if they can offer anything like the £20+ million being mooted last year for him, Celtic should bite their arm off, and spend some of the money improving Leigh Griffiths diet and get him back up to being the main man again.
His stock had fallen a lot since his good form. His injury problems are concerning. Griffiths has also been struggling badly. Maybe something causing issues for both of them in training?
Driver101 said:
You come across as very sensitive and overly defensive.
Interpret the laws? What part of the rules says kicking someone isn't violent conduct and a red card?
Now the panel are always correct and know the laws inside out? How often has it be claimed that nobody in the SFA knows what they are doing? Now you're telling me they are 100% correct?
I do laugh at how fickled people are. The SFA and refs are only ever right if their decision suits. When it doesn't they don't know what they are doing and are useless.
How often during the World Cup did the best refs in the world, panels watching the VAR, football pundits and impartial referees disagree what the rules, laws and situations were?
You're sitting trying to claim the ref was wrong with his verdict not to send Ball off. What makes your opinion superior that you can call out the ref? Everyone is still managing to completely ignore the penalty should never have been given.
Gerrard was trying to suggest there is a campaign against Rangers. That is complete drivel and I'm sure they've had more wrong decisions in their favour than have gone against them. He was wrong in his assement of the game and calling out people for years was just plain unjustified. The victim mentality and been installed in him already. It must be deep rooted within the club as well as the fans.
Interpret the laws? What part of the rules says kicking someone isn't violent conduct and a red card?
Now the panel are always correct and know the laws inside out? How often has it be claimed that nobody in the SFA knows what they are doing? Now you're telling me they are 100% correct?
I do laugh at how fickled people are. The SFA and refs are only ever right if their decision suits. When it doesn't they don't know what they are doing and are useless.
How often during the World Cup did the best refs in the world, panels watching the VAR, football pundits and impartial referees disagree what the rules, laws and situations were?
You're sitting trying to claim the ref was wrong with his verdict not to send Ball off. What makes your opinion superior that you can call out the ref? Everyone is still managing to completely ignore the penalty should never have been given.
Gerrard was trying to suggest there is a campaign against Rangers. That is complete drivel and I'm sure they've had more wrong decisions in their favour than have gone against them. He was wrong in his assement of the game and calling out people for years was just plain unjustified. The victim mentality and been installed in him already. It must be deep rooted within the club as well as the fans.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 8th August 14:35
I said I thought it was a red card for Morelos and the ref did the right thing at the time by not sending Ball off. With the benefit of replays the former was overturned and the latter is irrelevant after the fact.
It is a genuine question - I don’t know if Rangers get more decisions overturned than anyone else after the event? If we do, perhaps it’s because the atmospheres are generally more hostile when we’re in town, and this transfers to the pitch and referees’ attitude towards the game or something. Rather than it being a campaign or bias against Rangers. Or I just notice cos it’s my team/confirmation bias.
I don’t recall Gerrard suggesting a campaign - a organised conspiracy - against us. Just a series of decisions and a realism that this can and does happen. I stand to be corrected if you analyse his language differently feel free to actually share his words and explain.
Driver101 said:
The McGinn situation is a big one though. Hibs can't really afford to lose him for nothing and he will be a miss. They've still managed to resist offers, but the Villa one surprises me. They are in a financial mess. If they don't get out of the Championship this season they will be hit with huge financial fair play fines that will quite possibly see them go bust.
Doesn’t say much for Scottish football (or Celtic) that our league champions and beacon of champions league hope can’t stump up the cash to get a young Scottish international and lifelong Celtic supporter. Instead he chooses an English second tier team in turmoil? Incredible.simoid said:
I said I thought it was a red card for Morelos and the ref did the right thing at the time by not sending Ball off. With the benefit of replays the former was overturned and the latter is irrelevant after the fact.
It is a genuine question - I don’t know if Rangers get more decisions overturned than anyone else after the event? If we do, perhaps it’s because the atmospheres are generally more hostile when we’re in town, and this transfers to the pitch and referees’ attitude towards the game or something. Rather than it being a campaign or bias against Rangers. Or I just notice cos it’s my team/confirmation bias.
I don’t recall Gerrard suggesting a campaign - a organised conspiracy - against us. Just a series of decisions and a realism that this can and does happen. I stand to be corrected if you analyse his language differently feel free to actually share his words and explain.
Everyone knows exactly what he was getting at. Why is he even dragging out things from years ago he probably has absolutely zero knowledge about? It's embarrassing. It is a genuine question - I don’t know if Rangers get more decisions overturned than anyone else after the event? If we do, perhaps it’s because the atmospheres are generally more hostile when we’re in town, and this transfers to the pitch and referees’ attitude towards the game or something. Rather than it being a campaign or bias against Rangers. Or I just notice cos it’s my team/confirmation bias.
I don’t recall Gerrard suggesting a campaign - a organised conspiracy - against us. Just a series of decisions and a realism that this can and does happen. I stand to be corrected if you analyse his language differently feel free to actually share his words and explain.
The Rangers forum started a thread about a "vendetta" on the back of it. 80% of the fan's vote say there is a vendetta/conspiracy/agenda against Rangers and were proud of Gerrard's embarrassing rant.
The fan's analysis of decisions for and against is hilarious. Are things that petty that every simple tackle is going to be analysed?
Apparently Rangers got ZERO decisions their way. They got the BIGGEST decision in the game missing an obvious offside that lead to their goal.
Decisions go teams every week. To have a meltdown like that at week one has already knocked Gerrard's stock down a lot. Mourihno gets ripped to bits every week for far less than that.
simoid said:
Driver101 said:
The McGinn situation is a big one though. Hibs can't really afford to lose him for nothing and he will be a miss. They've still managed to resist offers, but the Villa one surprises me. They are in a financial mess. If they don't get out of the Championship this season they will be hit with huge financial fair play fines that will quite possibly see them go bust.
Doesn’t say much for Scottish football (or Celtic) that our league champions and beacon of champions league hope can’t stump up the cash to get a young Scottish international and lifelong Celtic supporter. Instead he chooses an English second tier team in turmoil? Incredible.It isn't right that Villa are another team out living their means. Financial fair play rules should take a hold earlier and stop teams getting in a mess in the first place.
Rumour has it Villa are paying McGinn £40k per week. It's more than loyalty to hold out for a move to Celtic when he'd get less than half of that.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 8th August 21:30
simoid said:
£40k per week? Where you reading that?
Your assessment is not one that I share. It’s a disaster that Lawell wasn’t able to get this one over the line. Especially after Rodgers, who doesn’t talk about other teams’ players, made public his desire to have McGinn in Celtic colours.
Not from an official source, but I read a few tweets and comments from Aston Villa fans of £40k and how they are still paying extortionate wages. Your assessment is not one that I share. It’s a disaster that Lawell wasn’t able to get this one over the line. Especially after Rodgers, who doesn’t talk about other teams’ players, made public his desire to have McGinn in Celtic colours.
There was a bit about Villa's wage bill in the paper after their finance issues were outed. Players were earning £50k in their team. Ross Mccormack wasn't far away from that.
My assessment is Celtic were relying too much on loyalty and thought Hibs would need to sell quickly with the contract situation. I also think the thinking was if they didn't get him cheap just now he'd sign up on a precontract agreement.
Villa dived in and made Hibs and the player a better offer. He won't be the first or last player influenced by money. I don't think that many people will hold it against him either.
I hope he does well down there. Villa are under huge pressure this year to get to the Premier League. It's not a team he will have time to fit in and develop more. He will be expected to produce the goods right away.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 9th August 03:44
Wow - £40k would be presumably close to 20x his Hibs wages. I believe he and St Mirren were due a substantial portion of the sell on fee as well.
Yes on the positive side hopefully it’s the making of a fine, regular Scottish international, and not another SPFL-EFL flop. McGinn, McTominay and McCrorie has a nice ring to it in the middle!
Yes on the positive side hopefully it’s the making of a fine, regular Scottish international, and not another SPFL-EFL flop. McGinn, McTominay and McCrorie has a nice ring to it in the middle!
DocJock said:
Aye, much as I'm disappointed we've lost him, who can honestly say they would turn down a 10-20x increase in their salary?
I hope they get promoted and he gets to play in the Premier League.
Aye it’s his choice and I hope he does well.I hope they get promoted and he gets to play in the Premier League.
I am surprised and disappointed for him that he’s chosen the Villa route - look at how many Celtic midfielders are in the EPL just now.
And I’m also surprised that Celtic are forking out the big money required for French U21s from Man City and PSG but not young Scottish internationals. Lots about it doesn’t ring true for me.
Hey ho.
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