The Official Scottish Football Thread

[Helicopter123]

simoid said:

technodup said:

lease outline some of these reasons...

IMO:

Bigger stadium
Better stadium
Doesnt require multi million redevelopment
Better transport links (local, national and international)

Fair points, but it's a Rugby stadium in a Rugby City.

Do we really need a national stadium? Internationals can be moved around the country and cup finals at a 'neutral' old firm ground or if both playing them Murrayfield? Lob the money saved into grass roots and youth football, artificial pitches and so on.

[simoid]

It would be interesting and useful to know the breakdown of where the Tartan Army lives. If the vast majority are travelling from well outside Glasgow to see games at Hampden presently, it would seem foolish to have so many games in Glasgow.

It’s peculiar we don’t have any stadia between 20,000 and 50,000 capacity, as this seems to be where most of the attendances for Scotland matches lie.

My main gripe is the majority of our matches are played in a Hampden that is nowhere near full and it’s tragic. I’d like to see high percentage attendances for every Scotland home game to give the best chance for the team and the best atmosphere for fans. Lots of reasons for low Hampden attendance ranging from quality of opposition, quality of Scotland team, evening games Sunday-Thursday with poor transport and long journeys home, etc

If we’re going to be spending £10s of millions upgrading Hampden, I hope a cost:benefit analysis has been performed on a new stadium of decent capacity in the perfect location of cheap wasteground in Central Scotland close to railway stations.

Wee games round the country
Middle games at our new national middle sized stadium in the middle of Scotland
Massive games at our massive stadiums

[technodup]

simoid said:

technodup said:

lease outline some of these reasons...

IMO:

Bigger stadium
Better stadium
Doesnt require multi million redevelopment
Better transport links (local, national and international)

But we can't fill Hampden... (except for those occasional Rangers/Celtic finals/semis)
Better for what? Rugby?
Does Hampden? Really? Aside from the running track issue what's wrong with it?
fk international for a start. The stadium is for us, not to make it easy for the opposition. Hampden is 10mins on the train from Central, a ton of buses go past it at either end and it's about 2mins from the M74. How much more convenient do you want it?

It would be far better to invest whatever money there is (is there any?) into development of the game itself. If Scotland weren't so ste the ground would be fuller. And if we were beating half decent teams nobody would be leaving moaning about the running track. I've been in the Rangers end right up the back and as long as we pump the other lot I couldn't really care less if I can't see the scorer at the other end. Football is about winning. I think re Scotland we've got slightly away from that.

[Driver101]

technodup said:

simoid said:

technodup said:

lease outline some of these reasons...

IMO:

Bigger stadium
Better stadium
Doesnt require multi million redevelopment
Better transport links (local, national and international)

But we can't fill Hampden... (except for those occasional Rangers/Celtic finals/semis)
Better for what? Rugby?
Does Hampden? Really? Aside from the running track issue what's wrong with it?
fk international for a start. The stadium is for us, not to make it easy for the opposition. Hampden is 10mins on the train from Central, a ton of buses go past it at either end and it's about 2mins from the M74. How much more convenient do you want it?

It would be far better to invest whatever money there is (is there any?) into development of the game itself. If Scotland weren't so ste the ground would be fuller. And if we were beating half decent teams nobody would be leaving moaning about the running track. I've been in the Rangers end right up the back and as long as we pump the other lot I couldn't really care less if I can't see the scorer at the other end. Football is about winning. I think re Scotland we've got slightly away from that.

Getting out is the biggest issue. People do filter down during the day, but peak time trains are full. It's quicker walking back into town than it is waiting on a train or bus.

It's a 3 mile walk from Hampden to Glasgow Queen street. It's less than 1 mile between Murrayfield and Haymarket.

There is no easy way to move 50,000 people, but Hampden is the worst of the bigger stadiums for getting people in and out.

[Strocky]

technodup said:

ood luck to Aberdeen trying to get there. First train leaves at 12:14

And some people want us to be independent? When we can't organise a couple of games of football properly?

I’d wager the demographic of the sfa blazers will be gammon faced better together masons

[moanthebairns]

RDM said:

What percentage of supporters travel to games on public transport compared to cars and supporters coaches?

Semi final. A fking lot. You want to have a drink, go out before and after. Make a day of it.

In other news the rangers are still st

[Driver101]

moanthebairns said:

RDM said:

What percentage of supporters travel to games on public transport compared to cars and supporters coaches?

Semi final. A fking lot. You want to have a drink, go out before and after. Make a day of it.

In other news the rangers are still st

That's why it's an especially bad idea to have the two games on the same day. There will be a lot of people supporting all 4 teams in the city at the same time.

There is going incidents.

Livi fully deserved their win today from what I seen. They should have scored more goals with the chance a they had.

If ever someone else is going to win the league this is the year. Hearts look as if they've a tougher run of fixtures coming up. It'll be interesting to see where they are after those.

[Helicopter123]

More bad publicity for the Scottish game.

Official Calum Spence hit by object from crowd at the Livvy/Gers game.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45700758

Just shocking, shameful behaviour.

[technodup]

Driver101 said:

Getting out is the biggest issue. People do filter down during the day, but peak time trains are full. It's quicker walking back into town than it is waiting on a train or bus.

It's a 3 mile walk from Hampden to Glasgow Queen street. It's less than 1 mile between Murrayfield and Haymarket.

Well I only live 2 miles from both Hampden and Ibrox so I'm alright. Which is the main thing.

[Edinburger]

Helicopter123 said:

More bad publicity for the Scottish game.

Official Calum Spence hit by object from crowd at the Livvy/Gers game.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45700758

Just shocking, shameful behaviour.

Totally agree with you - shocking and no place for this in Scottish football.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, he was hit by an object thrown by a Rangers fan. One half of Scotland;s shame.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

technodup said:

lease outline some of these reasons...

IMO:

Bigger stadium
Better stadium
Doesnt require multi million redevelopment
Better transport links (local, national and international)

Totally agree with simoid as well as the fact the national stadium should be in the capital city (in my view).

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

simoid said:

technodup said:

lease outline some of these reasons...

IMO:

Bigger stadium
Better stadium
Doesnt require multi million redevelopment
Better transport links (local, national and international)

But we can't fill Hampden... (except for those occasional Rangers/Celtic finals/semis)
Better for what? Rugby?
Does Hampden? Really? Aside from the running track issue what's wrong with it?
fk international for a start. The stadium is for us, not to make it easy for the opposition. Hampden is 10mins on the train from Central, a ton of buses go past it at either end and it's about 2mins from the M74. How much more convenient do you want it?

It would be far better to invest whatever money there is (is there any?) into development of the game itself. If Scotland weren't so ste the ground would be fuller. And if we were beating half decent teams nobody would be leaving moaning about the running track. I've been in the Rangers end right up the back and as long as we pump the other lot I couldn't really care less if I can't see the scorer at the other end. Football is about winning. I think re Scotland we've got slightly away from that.

I do agree with your point about investing in the development of the game. Grassroots football in Scotland desperately needs investment. There is also an argument that rather than letting professional clubs run academies for talented kids, the SYFA run local academies to have a consistent level of development and central spent.

But on your other points I tatally disagree. Hampden is a nightmare for transport. Takes 1-2 hours to get back to the M8 after a game there. Its in a stupid location.

Games should be graded and some smaller Scottish games should go to other stadiums such as Easter Road, Tynecastle, Pittodrie, etc. Not Ibrox or Parkhead. Take the national game round the country. A 3/4 full Easter Road will have a better atmosphere than an empty Hampden.

Murrayfield is a far, far better option than Hampden. Better stadium, better location, far better transport links.

This decision underlines everything that#s wrong with our game.

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

Murrayfield is a far, far better option than Hampden. Better stadium, better location, far better transport links.

This decision underlines everything that#s wrong with our game.

So when, given that you want the diddy games passed around like a scud book in the jail, do we use Murrayfield? The odd time Scotland get a game against England?

Or for the finals, which will invariably involve one Glasgow club if not two?

Not that it matters now seeing as the right 'decision' (was there ever any doubt?) has been made.

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

o when, given that you want the diddy games passed around like a scud book in the jail, do we use Murrayfield? The odd time Scotland get a game against England?

Or for the finals, which will invariably involve one Glasgow club if not two?

Not that it matters now seeing as the right 'decision' (was there ever any doubt?) has been made.

No, we wouldnt use Murrayfield for those - why would we when Easter Road and Tynecastle are available and will have a far better atmosphere for smaller games?

Finals dont always involve a Glasgow club. The mighty Livingston might surprise you!

As far as I#m concerned, the further the ugly sisters are away the better.

[Strocky]

Edinburger said:

Totally agree with you - shocking and no place for this in Scottish football.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, he was hit by an object thrown by a Rangers fan. One half of Scotland;s shame.

38 Years since Celtic last indulged in a riot at Hampden, how far back can Hibs go?
Asking for a friend

[Edinburger]

Strocky said:

Edinburger said:

Totally agree with you - shocking and no place for this in Scottish football.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, he was hit by an object thrown by a Rangers fan. One half of Scotland;s shame.

38 Years since Celtic last indulged in a riot at Hampden, how far back can Hibs go?
Asking for a friend

Hmm... good question.

Hibs are known to have had a big mob of casuals back in the day. But that was a trend. There was some exuburance shown when we won the Scottish Cup, and to be fair there was some rioting started by "supporters" of The Rangers. But please dont try to suggest that was rioting by Hibs fans.

The behaviour by Rangers fans at the Livington game is shameful. I dread their vile hatred and songs when they come to Easter Road. Celtic are no better.

The Old Firm are a horrible side of Scottih football and Scottish culture.

[technodup]

Edinburger said:

Finals dont always involve a Glasgow club.

13 from 18 this century have featured a Glasgow club (both cups the same number). And Rangers as you know have had.. erm... issues to deal with or else that figure would likely be higher still.

You've got your tourist castle and pointless trams and we've got the fitba. Not sure why you want 70000 weegies through there drinking your beer, shagging your women and pissing in your gardens...

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

Edinburger said:

Finals dont always involve a Glasgow club.

13 from 18 this century have featured a Glasgow club (both cups the same number). And Rangers as you know have had.. erm... issues to deal with or else that figure would likely be higher still.

You've got your tourist castle and pointless trams and we've got the fitba. Not sure why you want 70000 weegies through there drinking your beer, shagging your women and pissing in your gardens...

In finals, non-Old Firm teams have bene represented 41 times. Havent counted semi-finals.

The good thing about Murrayfields transport links is the soap-dodging Weegies can be shipped in and out sharpish.

All joking apart, Hampden is in a rubbish location.

[Helicopter123]

Edinburger said:

Strocky said:

Edinburger said:

Totally agree with you - shocking and no place for this in Scottish football.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, he was hit by an object thrown by a Rangers fan. One half of Scotland;s shame.

38 Years since Celtic last indulged in a riot at Hampden, how far back can Hibs go?
Asking for a friend

There was some exuburance shown when we won the Scottish Cup

[JuniorD]

technodup said:

Edinburger said:

Finals dont always involve a Glasgow club.

13 from 18 this century have featured a Glasgow club (both cups the same number). And Rangers as you know have had.. erm... issues to deal with or else that figure would likely be higher still.

You've got your tourist castle and pointless trams and we've got the fitba. Not sure why you want 70000 weegies through there drinking your beer, shagging your women and pissing in your gardens...